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Wake up Shannon
The ball game has changed. Aerlingus is no longer the Aviation Department of the Fianna Fail Party. Airports that fail to face up to that are going to lose more ground. If I were Shannon I'd be making eyes at BMI instead of screaming at Aerlingus.
Furthermore there is no way that Shannon is going to have 3 airlines serving New York year round once open skies comes in . DL, CO and EI 's are talking the talk but each of them is hoping that the other two will blink first and clear out.
This is all very painful for Shannon but it can emerge as a fitter leaner 21st Century airport if it leaves the old rules behind.
Furthermore there is no way that Shannon is going to have 3 airlines serving New York year round once open skies comes in . DL, CO and EI 's are talking the talk but each of them is hoping that the other two will blink first and clear out.
This is all very painful for Shannon but it can emerge as a fitter leaner 21st Century airport if it leaves the old rules behind.
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EI at BFS
Best of luck to EI at Belfast, although I do belive that they have chosen the wrong option.
I wonder how much political interferance and carrots made in this decision as opposed to business sense.
Centre ciries
I wonder how much political interferance and carrots made in this decision as opposed to business sense.
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I have often wondered why so many people from around the UK (and further) fly to London to then fly to the US, surely (similiar to Shannon) it makes more sense to fly to the north western edge of Europe first and then continue on accross the Atlantic, the opportunity will soon be upon us
Even from a 'green' standpoint it makes more sense to not fly one way and then the other in order to get to your destination.
I think even now EI will have to get their skates on before someone else cherry picks the transatlantic routes, CO are obviously in the ideal position - but a 757 is not going to cut the mustard.
Times are a changing and at a very fast pace
Even from a 'green' standpoint it makes more sense to not fly one way and then the other in order to get to your destination.
I think even now EI will have to get their skates on before someone else cherry picks the transatlantic routes, CO are obviously in the ideal position - but a 757 is not going to cut the mustard.
Times are a changing and at a very fast pace
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The ball game has changed. Aerlingus is no longer the Aviation Department of the Fianna Fail Party. Airports that fail to face up to that are going to lose more ground. If I were Shannon I'd be making eyes at BMI instead of screaming at Aerlingus.
1) This has been in the pot for a while.
2) Fianna Fail were fully aware what was going to happen
3) This could have happened earlier but for the election.
As regards the future, SNN won't have one until they get control of their own airport.
QUESTION : What does SNN "owe", that is stopping them from becoming independent ?
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nothing. the cost issues were already addressed but the DAA are still in control. If they werent possibly the SAA could have given rates to EI that they couldnt refuse. Maybe thats the point. The governments silence on this is deafening..regardless of what they could or couldnt do they have said nothing. Timing of this was very well orchestrated
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Can't help thinking that the hastyShannon - Ryanair deal signed at the end of 2004 must have put LHR yields under huge pressure. Ryanair immediately doubled STN flts and also introduced LTN and LGW.
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Ask yourself why MOL wants EI to stay at SNN? Well someone has to pay the bills, since with his sweetheart deal, he isn't.
The CO slots being transferred to BFS? That would be a net transfer from DUB - watch the North Dublin TDs squeal if that was proposed!
Oh what a mess this is going to end up.
The CO slots being transferred to BFS? That would be a net transfer from DUB - watch the North Dublin TDs squeal if that was proposed!
Oh what a mess this is going to end up.
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God Tom, you r bit of a bitch aren't you. If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all. I gave my personal opinion on the matter of US flights from ORK, and the loss of flights to LHR from SNN.
I feel very much for the people of the West who are losing out on this important route.
I feel very strongly for those who will be losing their jobs, and number of whom I know, and recognised on RTE news tonight.
I have lost my respect fro DM, having put up with his **** in the past. He made a bad decision to add baggage charges. He made a bad decision to add seat selection charges online. He made a bad decision to remove Aer Lingus from oneworld, and has made an extremely bad decision to cease the SNN to LHR flights.
B257, I'm glad to see that someone feels the same way I do, welcome to my buddy list.
I feel very much for the people of the West who are losing out on this important route.
I feel very strongly for those who will be losing their jobs, and number of whom I know, and recognised on RTE news tonight.
I have lost my respect fro DM, having put up with his **** in the past. He made a bad decision to add baggage charges. He made a bad decision to add seat selection charges online. He made a bad decision to remove Aer Lingus from oneworld, and has made an extremely bad decision to cease the SNN to LHR flights.
B257, I'm glad to see that someone feels the same way I do, welcome to my buddy list.
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Timing of this was very well orchestrated
And the first 2 weeks of August are about as politically dead as you can get.
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Will be interesting to see the government response to this . According to RTE Element 6 a company who employ 600 people in the region have said their future is definitely in question if this route is not replaced. The first of many by all accounts.
MOL (true to character) has thrown the cat among the pigeons now though as the government have been offered on a plate a solution to block this so they can't really say they can do nothing...because they quite clearly can. Lets see how do the government get out of it?? This could get very messy
MOL (true to character) has thrown the cat among the pigeons now though as the government have been offered on a plate a solution to block this so they can't really say they can do nothing...because they quite clearly can. Lets see how do the government get out of it?? This could get very messy
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I believe MO'L is delighted by EI's decision to axe SNN-LHR. Now Ryanair have a monopoly on the SNN - London market.
However, he understands that he has everything to gain from saying the contrary:
1. Gets in passengers good books
2. Gets opportunity to denigrate Government
I think it's a desperate shame for Shannon to lose this route, but I respect Aer Lingus' right to conduct their operations as they see fit. Also disappointed that EI will only introduce a couple of new routes from Belfast, the rest competing with other airlines, but this is however great news for Belfast.
However, he understands that he has everything to gain from saying the contrary:
1. Gets in passengers good books
2. Gets opportunity to denigrate Government
I think it's a desperate shame for Shannon to lose this route, but I respect Aer Lingus' right to conduct their operations as they see fit. Also disappointed that EI will only introduce a couple of new routes from Belfast, the rest competing with other airlines, but this is however great news for Belfast.
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The problem is Aerlingus will lose all credibilitywith the Financial institutes if they bow to pressure from Government Backbenchers and other vested interests in the Mid-West.
Why can't Shannon play on a level playing pitch like every other airport in europe. Protectionism was a feature of the Age of DeValera which by some miracle continued at Shannon up to the very recent past.
It's vital that Shannon faces up to commercial realities and starts to think outside the 20th Century box if its to prosper.
Why can't Shannon play on a level playing pitch like every other airport in europe. Protectionism was a feature of the Age of DeValera which by some miracle continued at Shannon up to the very recent past.
It's vital that Shannon faces up to commercial realities and starts to think outside the 20th Century box if its to prosper.
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EI-SHN, Welcome to real world, sunshine, and it is not as if the midwest is going back to the era of the Poor House, is it? Shannon will still have her new Custom & Border Post, her long runway, her airbridges, her ample aircraft parking, her hangars, her North Atlantic flights, Ryanair, her accompanying infrastructure etc, etc.
No doubt, also, that there will be other compo on the way to snn from Fianna Fail to make up for this perceived slight.
No doubt, also, that there will be other compo on the way to snn from Fianna Fail to make up for this perceived slight.
Aer Lingus cessation of Dubai-Dublin????
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Still bookable
It's still bookable through Winter on the website, although the times have changed to a less favorable schedule (for connection purposes). This was rumoured some time ago, but it does not appear likely that it will be dropped.
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if SNN got the 53 million marketing budget it was promised in light of open skies it would probably ease the pain somewhat but that hasn't materialised either. Avocent another company has this morning said without the Heathrow link its base is in SNN is questionable. This about more than SNN being protected. There is a huge multinational presence in the area mainly due to SNN's links..thats the reality
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I was waiting for the issue of 53 million Euro Open Skies compo package to raise it's head. Snn can have it's 53 million euro package as long as Cork gets the exact same amount to play around with and as for the latest spin about the future of these multinational companies I would wager a lot of the jobs are probably earmarked for either Poland or China anyway within a few years. Many large multinational companies are only looking for the excuse to quit the country and will go wherever the cost base for them is at it's lowest.
That aint in snn or Cork.
That aint in snn or Cork.
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when you could just fly to DUB with RE, or is that to much of a hassle for you?
If its so easy to fly via Dublin why don't ye fly to Heathrow that way, or is it too much hassle?
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Snn-lhr
Mannion yesterday stated that Aer Lingus have leased 2 LHR slots to BA and CO, but that they are at times that are not conducive to connections, so there was no point taking them back and giving them to SNN. Anyone have an idea of what times they are ? This offers a potential "out" for Mannion, but he cut the idea off before it could fly.