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Cork peoples attitude to this is shocking but with the village mentality they have down there and the large chip on their shoulders, to be expected. This is a brutal decision by EI. I would understand a reduction in frequency but this just means that there is no route to LHR for the entire west coast, a route which by all accounts was doing very well. People will not travel to ORK as it is a nightmare of a place and is very much a last resort for anyone from the West coast.. This affects more than just the Shannon region and stinks of political motives imo
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Cork peoples attitude to this is shocking but with the village mentality they have down there and the large chip on their shoulders, to be expected.
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Agree with you EI-SHN. Nothing much short of surprising the attitude of the Corkonians on here
People from the Shannononside do not want to travel to cork to fly to London! We want to fly from our own local airport, thats where we will support! and we will fight for our LHR route!!
People from the Shannononside do not want to travel to cork to fly to London! We want to fly from our own local airport, thats where we will support! and we will fight for our LHR route!!
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People from Leeside do not want to travel to snn to fly to JFK! We want to fly from our own local airport, that's where we will support and we will fight for a JFK route!
Thanks a bunch, Ralley EI-BFP! Just the right set of words!
All the one to me if there is a snn-lhr service - no bonfires set here.
After all Shannon will have all the Gdansk market to yourselves in a few weeks time so Cork has her own issues to tackle.
Thanks a bunch, Ralley EI-BFP! Just the right set of words!
All the one to me if there is a snn-lhr service - no bonfires set here.
After all Shannon will have all the Gdansk market to yourselves in a few weeks time so Cork has her own issues to tackle.
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Does the deal Shannon did with Ryanair cover their London services or do they pay the same as Aer Lingus pay for Heathrow?
It strikes me that Shannon entered into a love affair with Ryanair because they needed it at the time and didn't look at the bigger picture. Pending Open Skies = damage to t/a services = weakened EI position. Ryanair dumping in Shannon market = damage to "premium" London destination traffic = weakened EI position. To top it all, they secure Ryanair to operate to Dublin against EI = weakened EI position. So EI react and it's all tales of woe, please stay, we own you etc.
Airports may want the volume Ryanair can bring but they must be aware of the price in terms of other airline services. Shannon now has zero chance of attracting any more carriers so is now totally dependent on Ryanair.
Note to Cork Airport and Belfast City Airport - He who lies with dogs end up with fleas.
It strikes me that Shannon entered into a love affair with Ryanair because they needed it at the time and didn't look at the bigger picture. Pending Open Skies = damage to t/a services = weakened EI position. Ryanair dumping in Shannon market = damage to "premium" London destination traffic = weakened EI position. To top it all, they secure Ryanair to operate to Dublin against EI = weakened EI position. So EI react and it's all tales of woe, please stay, we own you etc.
Airports may want the volume Ryanair can bring but they must be aware of the price in terms of other airline services. Shannon now has zero chance of attracting any more carriers so is now totally dependent on Ryanair.
Note to Cork Airport and Belfast City Airport - He who lies with dogs end up with fleas.
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"People from Leeside do not want to travel to snn to fly to JFK! We want to fly from our own local airport, that's where we will support and we will fight for a JFK route!"
Well said, Tom
We've had over 40 years of being in the ha'penny place compared to the cosy protected status that SNN enjoyed, AND we're still not out of the woods. If Shannonsiders don't want to travel to Cork that is up to them but between Cork, South Kerry, South Tipp and Waterford, you've nearly 800,000 who will.
Well said, Tom
We've had over 40 years of being in the ha'penny place compared to the cosy protected status that SNN enjoyed, AND we're still not out of the woods. If Shannonsiders don't want to travel to Cork that is up to them but between Cork, South Kerry, South Tipp and Waterford, you've nearly 800,000 who will.
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"Note to Cork Airport and Belfast City Airport - He who lies with dogs end up with fleas."
No doubt we'd have to pay a service charge for the fleas !
There might be a certain amount of truth in Aer Lingus "getting back" at SNN, but the reality is that while SNN has the bigger airport, it is being viewed as 4th behind Dublin, Belfast and Cork in terms of catchment area. And commercially it makes sense for Aer Lingus to do this rather than reduce the capacity out of Cork or Dublin.
The only people in the SNN that I feel sorry for are those who didn't vote for FF or the PDs.
No doubt we'd have to pay a service charge for the fleas !
There might be a certain amount of truth in Aer Lingus "getting back" at SNN, but the reality is that while SNN has the bigger airport, it is being viewed as 4th behind Dublin, Belfast and Cork in terms of catchment area. And commercially it makes sense for Aer Lingus to do this rather than reduce the capacity out of Cork or Dublin.
The only people in the SNN that I feel sorry for are those who didn't vote for FF or the PDs.
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I think EI opening a BFS base is bad news for ORK because even in the unlikely event that they had the balls to yank T/A out of SNN - well, as Aisle2c says Belfast is the island's second largest catchment... not to mention 2 x CAT3b runways which is two more than ORK. Best my fellow Corkonians stow their crowing for the present.
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This is a warning to Cork about the danger of becoming over dependent on Ryanair. Shannon should wake up to the new realities facing it. There is a futue for the airport but it must be based on commercial realities.
They've always expected Aerlingus to favour it at the expense of everyone else.
Aerlingus is no longer going to prop up Shannon or the attempt to create an all Ireland economy either.
They've always expected Aerlingus to favour it at the expense of everyone else.
Aerlingus is no longer going to prop up Shannon or the attempt to create an all Ireland economy either.
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MarkD, EI A330s or A350s for that matter will never cross the North Atlantic from Cork and once again there is no crowing from down here about the snn-lhr issue. Yes, it is certainly an interesting one to watch all right. A few posters on here from roughly speaking the snn camp have let the veil down a bit and that has been an education.
Not to pre-empt tomorrow's announcement, but cuts in DUB-LHR (reducing by three or four per day) are also in the pipeline as EI has done a deal to lease Heathrow slots to Continental from Summer 2008. Continental, in return, has transferred some Gatwick slots to EI to help them acquire morning slots needed for the new Dublin-Gatwick service from Winter 2007/8.
The swap of Shannon for Belfast seems to be an entirely separate affair and unconnected to any reduction in DUB-LHR frequency.
For all of the crying about SNN services, it is improbable that any commercial organisation would take these steps unless they felt it would be more profitable (or less loss-making!) to do so. If there is a sustainable market for SNN services in the wake of Aer Lingus' withdrawal, the market will logically dictate that another carrier will step in to service it, either by linking SNN to another hub like CDG or AMS; or providing point-to-point flights on key routes left unserved. If no-one steps in, then other carriers will probably have reached the same conclusions as those which led EI to withdraw in the first place.
The swap of Shannon for Belfast seems to be an entirely separate affair and unconnected to any reduction in DUB-LHR frequency.
For all of the crying about SNN services, it is improbable that any commercial organisation would take these steps unless they felt it would be more profitable (or less loss-making!) to do so. If there is a sustainable market for SNN services in the wake of Aer Lingus' withdrawal, the market will logically dictate that another carrier will step in to service it, either by linking SNN to another hub like CDG or AMS; or providing point-to-point flights on key routes left unserved. If no-one steps in, then other carriers will probably have reached the same conclusions as those which led EI to withdraw in the first place.
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Do you think the leak of last week about SNN flights being axed was intentional to allow for a softer blow in reaction today. If so the destinations leaked some may be genuine others may be decoys!!!
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Aer Lingus announces new base EGAA
Aer Lingus to unveil eight Belfast routes
Northern Ireland First Minister the Rev Ian Paisley will welcome Aer Lingus to the Northern Ireland Assembly today as it unveils eight new routes from Belfast.
The Democratic Unionist Party leader and junior minister Gerry Kelly of Sinn Fein will be at Stormont to hear details of the service from Belfast International Airport to destinations including London Heathrow, Amsterdam, Budapest and Rome.
Hundreds of new jobs will be created by the decision to base three aircraft in Belfast, the first centre outside the Republic for the air carrier. The first flights will take off in October or November with Heathrow early next year.
Aer Lingus is also expected to confirm flights from Belfast to Barcelona, Geneva, Faro and Malaga.
BMI has enjoyed a monopoly on the Heathrow route from Belfast City Airport since British Airways pulled out in 2003.
Aer Lingus is also expected to announce plans allowing passengers to travel onwards with British Airways and Dutch carrier KLM from their London and Amsterdam hubs to destinations worldwide.
There will be three flights a day to Heathrow and two daily to Amsterdam. The others will have two to five services a week. It could boost passenger numbers at the International Airport by 800,000 a year to over five million annually.
Belfast fought off competition from Birmingham for Aer Lingus' investment. The company, facing price wars at its Dublin centre from Ryanair, has cut costs to reduce fares. Several international routes from Belfast, including Rome and Geneva, will have more than one carrier.
However Heathrow slots from Shannon will be axed to make way for Belfast.
Aer Lingus chief executive Dermot Mannion will meet staff at Shannon Airport ahead of the Aldergrove announcement. The airline yesterday launched the first of three new links to cities in the United States from Dublin Airport.
Passengers left on the first flight to Washington's Dulles Airport. Flights to Orlando and San Francisco will begin operating in October.
PA
Northern Ireland First Minister the Rev Ian Paisley will welcome Aer Lingus to the Northern Ireland Assembly today as it unveils eight new routes from Belfast.
The Democratic Unionist Party leader and junior minister Gerry Kelly of Sinn Fein will be at Stormont to hear details of the service from Belfast International Airport to destinations including London Heathrow, Amsterdam, Budapest and Rome.
Hundreds of new jobs will be created by the decision to base three aircraft in Belfast, the first centre outside the Republic for the air carrier. The first flights will take off in October or November with Heathrow early next year.
Aer Lingus is also expected to confirm flights from Belfast to Barcelona, Geneva, Faro and Malaga.
BMI has enjoyed a monopoly on the Heathrow route from Belfast City Airport since British Airways pulled out in 2003.
Aer Lingus is also expected to announce plans allowing passengers to travel onwards with British Airways and Dutch carrier KLM from their London and Amsterdam hubs to destinations worldwide.
There will be three flights a day to Heathrow and two daily to Amsterdam. The others will have two to five services a week. It could boost passenger numbers at the International Airport by 800,000 a year to over five million annually.
Belfast fought off competition from Birmingham for Aer Lingus' investment. The company, facing price wars at its Dublin centre from Ryanair, has cut costs to reduce fares. Several international routes from Belfast, including Rome and Geneva, will have more than one carrier.
However Heathrow slots from Shannon will be axed to make way for Belfast.
Aer Lingus chief executive Dermot Mannion will meet staff at Shannon Airport ahead of the Aldergrove announcement. The airline yesterday launched the first of three new links to cities in the United States from Dublin Airport.
Passengers left on the first flight to Washington's Dulles Airport. Flights to Orlando and San Francisco will begin operating in October.
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I recall squeals of protest when EI dumped their ORK-DUB service a few years ago. The reality was that such a service made no sense given the economics of it, and they wanted to utilise their aircraft on more profitable/economic routes. Subsequently, RE moved in and it is now their main route and quite successful it is too. SNN will survive and find its own niche, but the days of national airlines serving the local interest are gone.
Last edited by asianfly; 7th Aug 2007 at 09:40.
Sorry, but what exactly is the Shannon folks problem? Can't they still do a Dublin Stopover en route ... SNN-DUB-LHR? Are they really suggesting that a forced stop over will affect economic growth and inconvenience people ... surely not? 
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Tuesday, 7 August 2007 10:35
Aer Lingus has confirmed that it will set up its first base outside the Republic at Belfast International Airport.
The airline said it would base three aircraft in Belfast, mainly serving London's Heathrow Airport and Amsterdam. Aer Lingus also confirmed that the Belfast-Heathrow service would replace the current Heathrow service from Shannon.
It said it believed the Belfast-Heathrow services presented 'an accelerated growth opportunity'.
http://www.rte.ie/business/2007/0807/aerlingus.html
JAS
Aer Lingus has confirmed that it will set up its first base outside the Republic at Belfast International Airport.
The airline said it would base three aircraft in Belfast, mainly serving London's Heathrow Airport and Amsterdam. Aer Lingus also confirmed that the Belfast-Heathrow service would replace the current Heathrow service from Shannon.
It said it believed the Belfast-Heathrow services presented 'an accelerated growth opportunity'.
http://www.rte.ie/business/2007/0807/aerlingus.html
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There's a full press release on the EI website. Only LHR and AMS anounced immediately.
Assuming they're going twice daily to AMS, where are they getting the morning AMS slot from? Evening slots aren't too hard to come by, but getting a morning slot isn't much easier than getting one at Heathrow.
Assuming they're going twice daily to AMS, where are they getting the morning AMS slot from? Evening slots aren't too hard to come by, but getting a morning slot isn't much easier than getting one at Heathrow.