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Interesting to note that T3 appear to be cornering the ABZ oil charter market now the summer season has started. Flights to/from:
Stavanger
Haugesund
Donegal
Sumburgh
Esbjerg
All recently.
Plus T3 have done most of the MAN supporters footie charters following the demise of X9. (Whether they will continue to do so next season after those ****** Rangers fans trashed the place remains to be seen!)
Must be a lucrative charter operation T3 has!
Stavanger
Haugesund
Donegal
Sumburgh
Esbjerg
All recently.
Plus T3 have done most of the MAN supporters footie charters following the demise of X9. (Whether they will continue to do so next season after those ****** Rangers fans trashed the place remains to be seen!)
Must be a lucrative charter operation T3 has!
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INV-AMS link delayed.
Stated in the local INV rag that planned INV-AMS link by Eastern/Flybe has been shelved due to excessive fuel costs. Quote from HIAL MD and local MSP both blaming high fuel costs and general economic downturn for the reason.
Didnt rule it out for the future though, I guess its the sign of times which we find ourselves in!!
Didnt rule it out for the future though, I guess its the sign of times which we find ourselves in!!
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I have to ask to clear this up. Is Eastern on the look out to replace some 41's with Do328s, makes sense as they are better set out and have overhead bins?
This story has cropped up a few times over the past few weeks now. It appears that they must be on the verge of taking passenger comfort into consideration.
This story has cropped up a few times over the past few weeks now. It appears that they must be on the verge of taking passenger comfort into consideration.
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Given current economic conditions, would T3 actively be seeking more or replacement aircraft at this time?
Did they have the chance to acquire the 4 ex-City Star DO328s when that airline went belly-up? Cirrus now have them.
I thought they were trying to get hold of more Saab 2000s - is that still the plan?
Did they have the chance to acquire the 4 ex-City Star DO328s when that airline went belly-up? Cirrus now have them.
I thought they were trying to get hold of more Saab 2000s - is that still the plan?
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Inv-man Gone
INV-MAN gone from June 29th. Flybe seem to have completed their own version of the Highland clearances inside of 8 weeks. Good luck to all the Eastern crews effected.
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Sad if it's true. I've heard that the scheduled routes are not making the money they need to.. 
However on the up side, there are two more SAABs coming later on in the year, and the charter market is doing very well indeed, infact, they are turning work away as they haven't got enough aircraft...
Could this be a change in business for Eastern, will they concentrate on their core money making routes, i.e the ABZ routes and do more and more charters...
I'm sure they will still be here in another 10 years, but just maybe in a slightly different market to what they are in now.. I hope so, it would be a shame if not..
However on the up side, there are two more SAABs coming later on in the year, and the charter market is doing very well indeed, infact, they are turning work away as they haven't got enough aircraft...
Could this be a change in business for Eastern, will they concentrate on their core money making routes, i.e the ABZ routes and do more and more charters...
I'm sure they will still be here in another 10 years, but just maybe in a slightly different market to what they are in now.. I hope so, it would be a shame if not..
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Bad news for INV, albeit Flybe won't see it that way.
Eastern are certainly busy at ABZ though, as much on the charter front as well as schedules.
So far Flybe have only "dabbled" at the ABZ market in direct competition to Eastern, & T3 have seen them off - for now - on LBA & NCL, although Flybe won the day on the Belfast run. Remains to be seen what happens on SOU, where Flybe have the only direct run, against a more frequent business service by T3, albeit all via NCL.
I cannot see T3 being competed against on MME or HUY, at least not vs a DH8D - too much capacity.
Hopefully for T3 there is enough competition on the SVG route to keep Flybe off it...but it's a very lucrative run in today's climate!
Are T3 looking at more intl from ABZ?
Eastern are certainly busy at ABZ though, as much on the charter front as well as schedules.
So far Flybe have only "dabbled" at the ABZ market in direct competition to Eastern, & T3 have seen them off - for now - on LBA & NCL, although Flybe won the day on the Belfast run. Remains to be seen what happens on SOU, where Flybe have the only direct run, against a more frequent business service by T3, albeit all via NCL.
I cannot see T3 being competed against on MME or HUY, at least not vs a DH8D - too much capacity.
Hopefully for T3 there is enough competition on the SVG route to keep Flybe off it...but it's a very lucrative run in today's climate!
Are T3 looking at more intl from ABZ?
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I cannot see T3 being competed against on MME or HUY, at least not vs a DH8D - too much capacity.
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Hardly surprising they are pulling the Manchester route. The fares are just way too expensive to get flown up an down in a noisy Jetsream. Business and individual passengers alike just wont pay the stupid money they want, especially with the way things are going just now.
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Are they still trying to get new hires to cough up £12k for a jetstream type rating? Seems a bit steep to shell out that much for what is fast becoming a redundant type and a very modest salary to pay off the debt.
That said Eastern have been profitable for many years, and that is no mean feat in this industry.
That said Eastern have been profitable for many years, and that is no mean feat in this industry.
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As I understand it,Eastern have been heavily subsidised by B A by way of the Jetstream deal.
B A decided when they were wanting out of the turboprop market that it was better to let Eastern have the Jetstreams at a fraction of the cost they were paying for them. The decision was based on it being better to have something for them, rather to park them up and get nothing.
I expect the leases are coming to an end now and if Eastern are to keep them on they will have to pay the going rate.
The subsidy that was talked about at the time was £4mil a year.
If B A were to give me £4mil a year, I am sure i could turn that into a modest profit aswell.
B A decided when they were wanting out of the turboprop market that it was better to let Eastern have the Jetstreams at a fraction of the cost they were paying for them. The decision was based on it being better to have something for them, rather to park them up and get nothing.
I expect the leases are coming to an end now and if Eastern are to keep them on they will have to pay the going rate.
The subsidy that was talked about at the time was £4mil a year.
If B A were to give me £4mil a year, I am sure i could turn that into a modest profit aswell.
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I believe that the Inverness base has closed for the J41 but I've heard that the
Saab will return there with new routes in the not so distant future.
A shortage of crew (captains) has forced some reshuffling of numbers and the pulling of some of the quiter routes to free boddies for elsewhere.
The BA leases ended last year ish but Eastern own most of them now and the rest have been renegotiated with Bae.
If your happy to sit on your ass waiting for a job to come to you then don't pay for the rating! there's plenty who will! but if you want to fly busy routes in a nice a/c with a possibility of quick command then why not!
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Saab will return there with new routes in the not so distant future.
A shortage of crew (captains) has forced some reshuffling of numbers and the pulling of some of the quiter routes to free boddies for elsewhere.
The BA leases ended last year ish but Eastern own most of them now and the rest have been renegotiated with Bae.
If your happy to sit on your ass waiting for a job to come to you then don't pay for the rating! there's plenty who will! but if you want to fly busy routes in a nice a/c with a possibility of quick command then why not!
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HFS - Check facts before spouting (from the BA Annual report):
http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_...eet_210508.pdf
(Note 5, I think you'll find)
http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_...eet_210508.pdf
(Note 5, I think you'll find)
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Jeez I think we will all need legal representation, and a box where we tick we can prove and have evidence of every statement made on this site, with dontdoit around. Hfs may have got his facts wrong but you dont need to shove it in his face. This thread is total scaremongering anyway, Eastern are ordering more Saabs and slowly transfering profitable routes on to it and removing the less profitable giving extremely lucrative vip charter capacity. Easterns business is much less affected by the current economic climate than most, moving around oil executives, riggers and football teams. Its the low cost carriers that are consolidating to a greater extent. As i understand it the jetstream has been pulled out but a few of the inverness guys are now online on the saab and the plan is to put a saab in Inverness with a new route/routes.
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I cannot comment on the situation at Eastern, but in the link provided Note 5 states that the J41s are undeclared in this summary.
What is this conclusion supposed to illustrate?!
What is this conclusion supposed to illustrate?!
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Eastern INV
Lets face facts Eastern left INV because Flybe entered all their routes. The only INV new route on the horizon has been AMS. Eastern are a well run company but they are fast becoming a small scheduled airline with a large charter business.
Eastern may have walked away at being asked to pay One Pound, while Flybe walked away with £130m Plus of cash and BACON.
Eastern may have walked away at being asked to pay One Pound, while Flybe walked away with £130m Plus of cash and BACON.
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I think the £1 is just a nominal fee - its often used when a company sells a loss making or heavily indebted/cost burdened entity (in this case it looks to be the pensions liabilities that Eastern were unhappy with). BA paid a nominal £1 (plus assumed all the debt) of Dan-Air when it took that over in the early 90's.