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If you look on Amadeus (and other GDS's), a number of AF flights start or finish on the train already. For example, a flight from Philadelphia to Brussells via JFK and Paris will use two railway journeys that carry AF flight codes.
A good idea because you don't have to wait ages in, or change, terminals in many cases.
It also protects valuable slots at the major hubs. If we could finally get our main lines sorted out (and rail fares!), why not have MAN or LBA to LHR as a rail service.
A good idea because you don't have to wait ages in, or change, terminals in many cases.
It also protects valuable slots at the major hubs. If we could finally get our main lines sorted out (and rail fares!), why not have MAN or LBA to LHR as a rail service.
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Have Germany not been doing this for a while? In Holland you can buy a train ticket to Schiphol in combination with a KLM ticket. I do not know if that applies to all carriers out of AMS. If so, that might lead to an interesting case of some form of nationalistic discrimination. Why not the same deal for all?
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It's a pretty good idea, you know.....And AF ( and LH ! ) have been offering through tickets using rail services for quite a while now....With AF, this includes cities such as Tours, Brussels, etc and others where there is an existing TGV line but no air service....With LH, I believe that these are between Frankfurt and cities such as Stuttgart and Cologne where the journey time is very simlar by rail or by air...
In the land of wine and cheese,although the rail network is not perfect, it is streets ahead of most other European countries because it's still owned by the state....And as mentioned above, investments / subsidies / etc to improve rail networks are permitted by Brussels ( even encouraged ) so a little French tete-a-tete over a nice lunch and I'm sure that the French government will help AF by developing an infrastructure which would suit them both - one asset, two markets - and provide yet more competition for those annoying British and Irish newcomers to domestic air services here....
On the other hand, state ownership means that rail services are one of the main players in the French national sport - going on strike !! So the risk to AF if they do get into bed with SNCF or whoever will be reliability of services....Not really good PR if the service is even slightly unreliable....
But after all, why duplicate the effort and cost of moving people from and to CDG from cities such as Strasburg, Lyon, Bordeaux, etc, when the time for the journies by air and by rail are so similar...And with a TGV station already at CDG2 and no need even to leave the terminals to reach it, there is tremendous potential for cost savings for all involved, not to mention the environmental goodwill that this would be seen to generate....
And question - does a through ticket for an air / rail journey become cheaper if there is no ' ticket tax ' for the part of the journey made by rail ?
So not a new idea, but interesting to see if this will become a full blown operation to destinations outside of France - London using joint services with Eurostar, perhaps, would seem eminently sensible and practical for pax and also free up slots at Heathrow for yet more SkyTeam codeshares....
In the land of wine and cheese,although the rail network is not perfect, it is streets ahead of most other European countries because it's still owned by the state....And as mentioned above, investments / subsidies / etc to improve rail networks are permitted by Brussels ( even encouraged ) so a little French tete-a-tete over a nice lunch and I'm sure that the French government will help AF by developing an infrastructure which would suit them both - one asset, two markets - and provide yet more competition for those annoying British and Irish newcomers to domestic air services here....
On the other hand, state ownership means that rail services are one of the main players in the French national sport - going on strike !! So the risk to AF if they do get into bed with SNCF or whoever will be reliability of services....Not really good PR if the service is even slightly unreliable....
But after all, why duplicate the effort and cost of moving people from and to CDG from cities such as Strasburg, Lyon, Bordeaux, etc, when the time for the journies by air and by rail are so similar...And with a TGV station already at CDG2 and no need even to leave the terminals to reach it, there is tremendous potential for cost savings for all involved, not to mention the environmental goodwill that this would be seen to generate....
And question - does a through ticket for an air / rail journey become cheaper if there is no ' ticket tax ' for the part of the journey made by rail ?
So not a new idea, but interesting to see if this will become a full blown operation to destinations outside of France - London using joint services with Eurostar, perhaps, would seem eminently sensible and practical for pax and also free up slots at Heathrow for yet more SkyTeam codeshares....
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From this site, look under UK codes
Welcome to World Airport Codes
United Kingdom
British Rail TerminalGB493ZLX
United Kingdom
Comore Row Bus StnGB493ZBC
United KingdomLondon St. PancrasGB493QQS
United KingdomLondon-WaterlooGB493QQW
United KingdomRailway StationGB493XQIUnited KingdomRailway StationGB493XQHUnited KingdomRailway StationGB493XWS
United KingdomScotRailGB493ZDUUnited KingdomScotRailGB493ZGGUnited KingdomScotRailGB493ZIV
United KingdomVictoria Railway Stn.GB493ZEP
United KingdomBus StationGB493ZFCUnited KingdomBus StationGB493ZEQ
Sadly the formating went astray but you can get the idea
Nowt new really
or historically the other way round
Railway Air Services - RAS
Welcome to World Airport Codes
United Kingdom
British Rail TerminalGB493ZLXUnited Kingdom
Comore Row Bus StnGB493ZBCUnited Kingdom
London St. PancrasGB493QQSUnited Kingdom
London-WaterlooGB493QQWUnited Kingdom
Railway StationGB493XQIUnited KingdomRailway StationGB493XQHUnited KingdomRailway StationGB493XWSUnited Kingdom
ScotRailGB493ZDUUnited KingdomScotRailGB493ZGGUnited KingdomScotRailGB493ZIVUnited Kingdom
Victoria Railway Stn.GB493ZEPUnited Kingdom
Bus StationGB493ZFCUnited KingdomBus StationGB493ZEQSadly the formating went astray but you can get the idea
Nowt new really
or historically the other way round
Railway Air Services - RAS
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, (this is aimed at the website mentioned)but:There's no such thing as this so called bus station
. Admittedly there is a line of bus stops on Colmore Row Birmingham, but to call it a bus staion is frankly laughable. I'm gobsmacked that they should call it thus! Who supplied the information for this section of the website? The Cousins? I wonder just how many other places are as misrepresented as this is.
We have Virgin Railways and Virgin Atlantic - admittedly different Companies, but maybe one day we will see a Pendalino or Voyager at Heathrow ready to take Pax to the Midlands, North West and Scotland and back. Perhaps E ticketing would be available for both plane and train journey on one booking.
National Express - thats another story!!!
National Express - thats another story!!!
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The key is in intergrated transport policy as expoused the fomer DPM John Prescott, sadly other than eating (then barffing up meat pies) he did sod all.
Manchester and Birmingham have good rail links, but where its needed is LHR & LGW (Southampton is ok too) if LHR had a mainline in from the North then the like of bmi services to LBA & MME would be dead, very few people use these routes if going city to city.
If i were running LHR and pushing for a new runway i would push very hard for a mainline rail service into LHR and not just a branch line
Manchester and Birmingham have good rail links, but where its needed is LHR & LGW (Southampton is ok too) if LHR had a mainline in from the North then the like of bmi services to LBA & MME would be dead, very few people use these routes if going city to city.
If i were running LHR and pushing for a new runway i would push very hard for a mainline rail service into LHR and not just a branch line
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YYZ-YXU or even YGK would be a candidate for a similar type of operation rather than 7-10x puddlejumper but we don't have those kind of b@lls in Ontario.
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Air France/KLM/Westjet
WestJet, Air France and KLM Announce Signing of Memorandum of Understanding
16:35 EST Wednesday, February 04, 2009
CALGARY, PARIS, and AMSTERDAM, Feb. 4 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ - WestJet, Air France and KLM today announced they have signed a memorandum of understanding to build a new commercial relationship between the three airlines.
This memorandum of understanding allows the airlines to begin working on building a code-sharing agreement in late 2009 or early 2010. Prior to this, the carriers will contemplate additional opportunities including an interline agreement, namely acceptance of each other's e-tickets, and through check-in of baggage and passengers, technology permitting. Possibilities for future frequent flyer program cooperation will be explored as well.
A code-sharing agreement would involve the Canadian gateways of Calgary, Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver where guests of the three airlines would connect with each other's networks.
This memorandum of understanding is another step in WestJet's strategy to increase connectivity, bringing additional travellers to its network as well as offering more access for its guests to new destinations.
Dr. Hugh Dunleavy, Executive Vice President, Commercial Distribution, commented, "We are very pleased with this announcement today. This memorandum of understanding marks the successful execution of the next step in our strategic plan. We are proud to have strategic partners in Air France and KLM who share our values and our focus on the guest. They will be excellent partners and will provide our guests with the opportunity to seamlessly travel across their networks."
For Air France and KLM, it is a great opportunity to strengthen their position in services to Canada and increase the number of destinations offered to passengers.
16:35 EST Wednesday, February 04, 2009
CALGARY, PARIS, and AMSTERDAM, Feb. 4 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ - WestJet, Air France and KLM today announced they have signed a memorandum of understanding to build a new commercial relationship between the three airlines.
This memorandum of understanding allows the airlines to begin working on building a code-sharing agreement in late 2009 or early 2010. Prior to this, the carriers will contemplate additional opportunities including an interline agreement, namely acceptance of each other's e-tickets, and through check-in of baggage and passengers, technology permitting. Possibilities for future frequent flyer program cooperation will be explored as well.
A code-sharing agreement would involve the Canadian gateways of Calgary, Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver where guests of the three airlines would connect with each other's networks.
This memorandum of understanding is another step in WestJet's strategy to increase connectivity, bringing additional travellers to its network as well as offering more access for its guests to new destinations.
Dr. Hugh Dunleavy, Executive Vice President, Commercial Distribution, commented, "We are very pleased with this announcement today. This memorandum of understanding marks the successful execution of the next step in our strategic plan. We are proud to have strategic partners in Air France and KLM who share our values and our focus on the guest. They will be excellent partners and will provide our guests with the opportunity to seamlessly travel across their networks."
For Air France and KLM, it is a great opportunity to strengthen their position in services to Canada and increase the number of destinations offered to passengers.
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Passengers as guests
Stop stop stop
Passengers on Westjet have always been called guests - and are generally treated as such. Certainly I always have been.
Jimbo
Passengers on Westjet have always been called guests - and are generally treated as such. Certainly I always have been.
Jimbo
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AF in Czecho
In fact there was a very failed relationship between AF and CSA in the early 90s. The result.... AF got some good routes........ Vietnam, but dont hate it was an inside job the commies at CSA sold out, and lost the little long haul flying they has worked hard to get...... Dont be fooled the real player is who cuts the largest check to the commies..... right now the top runner is China...... Good luck......
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Full Air France/KLM/ Scehdule
Hello All,
Does anybody have an extensive list of all the routes operated by KLM and AFR? The one I used: Advertising link removed.
Has routes missing, I need a full set of routes just Flight Number, Departure and Arrival
Any Help Appreciated,
Jon
Does anybody have an extensive list of all the routes operated by KLM and AFR? The one I used: Advertising link removed.
Has routes missing, I need a full set of routes just Flight Number, Departure and Arrival
Any Help Appreciated,
Jon