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TOM could drop some existing flights or operate on a w pattern from LTN, BOH or DSA. or, if WW are dropping the route, they may wait until winter to start the flight when they may have some spare capacity at CWL
Just speculation on my part but it seems TOM are committed to Cardiff and PRG would seem a very logical addition to their Cardiff destinations if bmi baby pulled their flights on the route
Just speculation on my part but it seems TOM are committed to Cardiff and PRG would seem a very logical addition to their Cardiff destinations if bmi baby pulled their flights on the route
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Well I think its a nice idea, but this summer I think TOM arent going to suprise a W pattern on us. Especially for a LO- CO destination, I do hope that someone does epspcially TOM steps in and runs this route
Just having a look at CAA January 07 Provisional Stats-
Cardiff- Glasgow- 6975
Cardiff- Belfast- 6577
Now lets see who thinks that both BE, and WW are going too survive on that route, when theres only 1X Daily to Glasgow. Edinbourgh 10,257 is doing incredibly strong, so is Manchester, with OK figures, while Newquay from CWL, looking poor. Newcastle with 1318 is also looking quite strong and maybe 3X Daily isnt looking to hard.
Dublin with 4003, less than half from last year RYR is missed just for the PAX figures on that route. Prauge had 3011 PAX in January, which is good considering it was only 4X Weekly. So WW
Sorry to drag on to statistics, remembering that these statistics do nothing too show yield, but they are what we can all openly get. And baby makes me so mad
Just having a look at CAA January 07 Provisional Stats-
Cardiff- Glasgow- 6975
Cardiff- Belfast- 6577
Now lets see who thinks that both BE, and WW are going too survive on that route, when theres only 1X Daily to Glasgow. Edinbourgh 10,257 is doing incredibly strong, so is Manchester, with OK figures, while Newquay from CWL, looking poor. Newcastle with 1318 is also looking quite strong and maybe 3X Daily isnt looking to hard.
Dublin with 4003, less than half from last year RYR is missed just for the PAX figures on that route. Prauge had 3011 PAX in January, which is good considering it was only 4X Weekly. So WW
Sorry to drag on to statistics, remembering that these statistics do nothing too show yield, but they are what we can all openly get. And baby makes me so mad
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CWLs decline....
Oh dear!
Well, having sat back for a while here and observed the goings on, I'm not surprised that so much negativity has come out.
Lets make a start!
The north - south route... Enough said already.... Absolute waste.
Baby.... What on earth are they doing??? Seems they jumped on a sledge during the snow and enjoyed the downhill experience!
CWL builing... What a waste! As much more could have been achieved rather than making interim 'improvements' only to change it all later on anyway.
Aviance.... Well.... We all know Thomson Fly wants Servisair/Airway back as soon as, but you have to consider that the management handling Aviance air side is all ex airway anyway. I don't think they realise the amount of work very few people did before the takeover to what they have taken on. Can't handle the pressure!!
It is said that four duty managers (air side) are being made redundant to apply for only three positions. A good start. But these duty managers will be overseeing front of house and back of house from what I hear. They have no experience there. As do the front of house running back of house! OK, it could be a good thing in time, but this industry doesn't evaluate on time! Every six months things change drastically, at least.
Our little friend 'pop up' has also failed to complete his duties within the six month time frame originally provided! An extension seems inevitable... I hope he's worth his salt at the end of it!!!! His improvements so far include, no page 3 on common room walls, changing of 'senior ramp' to 'leading hand', paperwork that no-one has time to complete so it's generally made up or thrown away ( just in-house paperwork in-case you're worried ) and the promise of an LCD telly soon!! WOW!!! SIX BLOODY MONTHS??
I'd rather a few more staff for your wage than that! I know you monitor here so if you feel like a reality check, please get in touch!
All in all, you've got to see the 'real' side of things to understand why CWL is failing. 2M pax is great, but if you've nowhere for them to sit and be fed or not enough staff to handle them or nowhere efficient to park your a/c then things will go 'pete tong' day in day out!!!
JH - a question... How will the current baggage system cope with the increse in pax levels this year as it can't cope already? Sitting on check-in with many pax infront of you every day due to lack of capacity is a little bug bear of mine..And having changed plans for a new belt to sticking with the current system that couldn't cope last year??.. Where did this decision come from??
Get down to the bones of the system and talk to 'real' workers who know the current state of things!
No wonder we get delays!!
Rant over! I'll be back soon!
A done DEAL!
Well, having sat back for a while here and observed the goings on, I'm not surprised that so much negativity has come out.
Lets make a start!
The north - south route... Enough said already.... Absolute waste.
Baby.... What on earth are they doing??? Seems they jumped on a sledge during the snow and enjoyed the downhill experience!
CWL builing... What a waste! As much more could have been achieved rather than making interim 'improvements' only to change it all later on anyway.
Aviance.... Well.... We all know Thomson Fly wants Servisair/Airway back as soon as, but you have to consider that the management handling Aviance air side is all ex airway anyway. I don't think they realise the amount of work very few people did before the takeover to what they have taken on. Can't handle the pressure!!
It is said that four duty managers (air side) are being made redundant to apply for only three positions. A good start. But these duty managers will be overseeing front of house and back of house from what I hear. They have no experience there. As do the front of house running back of house! OK, it could be a good thing in time, but this industry doesn't evaluate on time! Every six months things change drastically, at least.
Our little friend 'pop up' has also failed to complete his duties within the six month time frame originally provided! An extension seems inevitable... I hope he's worth his salt at the end of it!!!! His improvements so far include, no page 3 on common room walls, changing of 'senior ramp' to 'leading hand', paperwork that no-one has time to complete so it's generally made up or thrown away ( just in-house paperwork in-case you're worried ) and the promise of an LCD telly soon!! WOW!!! SIX BLOODY MONTHS??
I'd rather a few more staff for your wage than that! I know you monitor here so if you feel like a reality check, please get in touch!
All in all, you've got to see the 'real' side of things to understand why CWL is failing. 2M pax is great, but if you've nowhere for them to sit and be fed or not enough staff to handle them or nowhere efficient to park your a/c then things will go 'pete tong' day in day out!!!
JH - a question... How will the current baggage system cope with the increse in pax levels this year as it can't cope already? Sitting on check-in with many pax infront of you every day due to lack of capacity is a little bug bear of mine..And having changed plans for a new belt to sticking with the current system that couldn't cope last year??.. Where did this decision come from??
Get down to the bones of the system and talk to 'real' workers who know the current state of things!
No wonder we get delays!!
Rant over! I'll be back soon!
A done DEAL!
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Both BmiBaby & CWL are full of crap announcing further developments at Cardiff. You only develop by adding not replacing the routes. Hopefully next year will see an extra a/c and maybe will get prague back then, or possibly get it back in the W07.
For a popular route i don't understand the logic of getting rid of a popular all year round flight for a new bucket and spade route.
Aer Arann did exactly the same announcing it was adding an extra flight to france from CWL but it just replaced the Lerient with the new Nantes service.
I doubt Eastern operate 3 x daily to NCL.
Whats the point of extending the baggage reclaim and adding more belts when you need the staff to use them.
The belts were jammed for about 15 minutes nearly every morning at peak periods last summer because the back belts had too many bags.
Pop Up is just trying to make Aviance more efficient but really what is needed is a decent amount of staff and equipment and with that comes efficiency. To be honest i think he's come down as well to make the current station manager more manegerial.
At least this year Aviance has been conducting a proper interview process which will hopefully give a proper sellection of staff.
Front of house will change dramatically with Check-In supervisors, DM's operating both front of house and ramp (giving a better understanding of the two). Dispatchers and operations will be based outside giving a better link with the ramp.
At least this summer theres going to be less of a need for the drivers only on stands 6, 15, 16, 17.
It is a pitty that baby are messing about like this. If they don't bring in an extra a/c next year then i think that will be the last straw.
Hope flybe develope at CWL soon, and posibility of Lufthansa too.
For a popular route i don't understand the logic of getting rid of a popular all year round flight for a new bucket and spade route.
Aer Arann did exactly the same announcing it was adding an extra flight to france from CWL but it just replaced the Lerient with the new Nantes service.
I doubt Eastern operate 3 x daily to NCL.
Whats the point of extending the baggage reclaim and adding more belts when you need the staff to use them.
The belts were jammed for about 15 minutes nearly every morning at peak periods last summer because the back belts had too many bags.
Pop Up is just trying to make Aviance more efficient but really what is needed is a decent amount of staff and equipment and with that comes efficiency. To be honest i think he's come down as well to make the current station manager more manegerial.
At least this year Aviance has been conducting a proper interview process which will hopefully give a proper sellection of staff.
Front of house will change dramatically with Check-In supervisors, DM's operating both front of house and ramp (giving a better understanding of the two). Dispatchers and operations will be based outside giving a better link with the ramp.
At least this summer theres going to be less of a need for the drivers only on stands 6, 15, 16, 17.
It is a pitty that baby are messing about like this. If they don't bring in an extra a/c next year then i think that will be the last straw.
Hope flybe develope at CWL soon, and posibility of Lufthansa too.
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Lufthansa, get real .
Cardiff "International" is turning into a turboprop airport and while the likes of Bristol and Birmingham are around I can't see LH or EK even looking at Cardiff.
Don't get me wrong I would like just as much as anyone to see the airport develop but destinations seem only to replace eachother with no real additions.
.Cardiff "International" is turning into a turboprop airport and while the likes of Bristol and Birmingham are around I can't see LH or EK even looking at Cardiff.
Don't get me wrong I would like just as much as anyone to see the airport develop but destinations seem only to replace eachother with no real additions.
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16.09.06
German airline Lufthansa is considering operating services from more UK airports, including Bristol, Cardiff and Southampton airports.
Speaking to industry newspaper Travel Weekly, the airline's UK and Ireland general manager Dieter Grotepass said that Lufthansa was looking at operating flights from other hubs to ease congestion caused by the recent security alert at Heathrow.
Lufthansa's passenger traffic at airports outside London has been steadily growing, he said, adding: 'Growth from regional airports has been up ten percent to twelve percent since July and is increasing, especially from Manchester and Birmingham.'
OK this thread may have been from September, but if theres more competition at BRS and they do actually decide to fly from more regions then they may go to CWL.
I do agree with you though that more prop a/c are comming into Cardiff, but at the end of the day it's down to the airline to want to come to Cwl. The only thing the management can do is to offer them a good deal, which i doubt it is doing.
The only promise i can see for expansion is TOM which is a shame really as WW could easily justify having the 4th A/C at CWL with more sucessful new routes.
German airline Lufthansa is considering operating services from more UK airports, including Bristol, Cardiff and Southampton airports.
Speaking to industry newspaper Travel Weekly, the airline's UK and Ireland general manager Dieter Grotepass said that Lufthansa was looking at operating flights from other hubs to ease congestion caused by the recent security alert at Heathrow.
Lufthansa's passenger traffic at airports outside London has been steadily growing, he said, adding: 'Growth from regional airports has been up ten percent to twelve percent since July and is increasing, especially from Manchester and Birmingham.'
OK this thread may have been from September, but if theres more competition at BRS and they do actually decide to fly from more regions then they may go to CWL.
I do agree with you though that more prop a/c are comming into Cardiff, but at the end of the day it's down to the airline to want to come to Cwl. The only thing the management can do is to offer them a good deal, which i doubt it is doing.
The only promise i can see for expansion is TOM which is a shame really as WW could easily justify having the 4th A/C at CWL with more sucessful new routes.
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Wow, CWL is causing quite a stir. And unfortunately, i cant disagree with anything thats been said regarding the airport and handling. Deal or No Deal has got it spot on!
Regardless of whether servisair come back on ramp or not, the staff can only work as well as the facilities provided. E.g baggage system. If its not the fact theres not enough room out back to get enough guys to load the bags onto trolleys, its the security vivid system overloading because theres too many bags going through, which in turn creates havoc at heavy baggage trying to scan and clear them through, whilst a million and one impatient crew members trying to get through.
What is a common concern at the moment, is judging on last years performance, the guys will be under more pressure, with constant 763 (highloading) procedures - which takes training and qualified staff (management take note!!) and TOM reducing their 733 turnrounds to 45mins.
As for improvements out the back, during the past few days with a few extra flights, its been commented how the ramp guys are being overworked (more so than usual), which makes them go slower (understandably!) causing pax to be waiting in baggage reclaim for an unacceptable amount of time. CWL had a bad year for this last year, its reputation is going to go down the pan if this carries on.
As for major route attraction, if say for example EK or an American carrier comes in daily, with a 757 or bigger, this will have to be very well timed, the stands that hold larger a/c (6/7/10) will be taken up for a fair amount of time (even more so if the TOM BRS rumour comes true with x2 752 + 1 763)
And sadly at the moment, the only airline that does seem committed to CWL is Thomson. Does anyone within baby know if they are taking on more a/c in the near future?
The new section of the terminal does seem to be quite big, are there any plans for commercial expansion inside - Shops, cafe's, bars? I remember talk of greggs on this forum about a year ago - would be perfect! Or would SSP/Alpha ground throw a wobbly?
As for ORY, i'm really annoyed no progress has been made with this, as i know the Aer Arann slots have been issued by ACL. Maybe this is more false hope. Just to add another laugh, latest rumour regarding FlyBe is up to 17 flights a day by end of the year.
Hmmmm well, i wont hold my breath.
I dont know whether to laugh or cry at this comment, sadly we all know its never going to happen, we all know the powers that be see all, hear all, at all times and believe they run a perfect airport
(If i had a pound for every time i've heard complaints about front of terminal lighting, length of walk on new pier, baggage belt failure, lack of shops/things to do, lack of check-in space etc etc etc)
and thats the end of my rant... who's next??
Regardless of whether servisair come back on ramp or not, the staff can only work as well as the facilities provided. E.g baggage system. If its not the fact theres not enough room out back to get enough guys to load the bags onto trolleys, its the security vivid system overloading because theres too many bags going through, which in turn creates havoc at heavy baggage trying to scan and clear them through, whilst a million and one impatient crew members trying to get through.
What is a common concern at the moment, is judging on last years performance, the guys will be under more pressure, with constant 763 (highloading) procedures - which takes training and qualified staff (management take note!!) and TOM reducing their 733 turnrounds to 45mins.
As for improvements out the back, during the past few days with a few extra flights, its been commented how the ramp guys are being overworked (more so than usual), which makes them go slower (understandably!) causing pax to be waiting in baggage reclaim for an unacceptable amount of time. CWL had a bad year for this last year, its reputation is going to go down the pan if this carries on.
As for major route attraction, if say for example EK or an American carrier comes in daily, with a 757 or bigger, this will have to be very well timed, the stands that hold larger a/c (6/7/10) will be taken up for a fair amount of time (even more so if the TOM BRS rumour comes true with x2 752 + 1 763)
And sadly at the moment, the only airline that does seem committed to CWL is Thomson. Does anyone within baby know if they are taking on more a/c in the near future?
The new section of the terminal does seem to be quite big, are there any plans for commercial expansion inside - Shops, cafe's, bars? I remember talk of greggs on this forum about a year ago - would be perfect! Or would SSP/Alpha ground throw a wobbly?
As for ORY, i'm really annoyed no progress has been made with this, as i know the Aer Arann slots have been issued by ACL. Maybe this is more false hope. Just to add another laugh, latest rumour regarding FlyBe is up to 17 flights a day by end of the year.
Hmmmm well, i wont hold my breath.
Get down to the bones of the system and talk to 'real' workers who know the current state of things!
(If i had a pound for every time i've heard complaints about front of terminal lighting, length of walk on new pier, baggage belt failure, lack of shops/things to do, lack of check-in space etc etc etc)
and thats the end of my rant... who's next??
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hey Caaaardiff where did you hear about 17 flights a day by the end of the year from for Flybe?
Yeah this new baggage reclaim is a big building with two floors. Hopefully they will re-position Gate 1 and possibly extend it behind the Cafe.
I also seen some work on Wednesday being done to the empty retail area thats on the Right hand Side as you work from Central Search to Entrance of Gates 3 - 15.
How long will gate 2 be out of action as they got a lifts there to take the beer barrels upstairs.
I do know that the Baggage Information desk wil be moved as theres not enough room to swing a mouse in there even though a cat.
Walking a flight from Stand 7 into the domestic arrivals is just a nightmare with no kind of walkway other than green lines. It would take 5 staff to do the job correctly including under the wing of an Aer Arann. Airside safety comes along and moans that passengers are all over the ramp.
It's not the handling agents fault that the airport has removed all kind of walkways from the culdasack that is Stands 1-3, and that when they re-developed the Passport Control area that it is not possible for domestic flights to go through while international flights are there. No splitbetween domestic and International Arrivals, so that means in the summer busses will still be used to take domestic flights from stand 12-17 over to domestic arrivals at stand 1.
According to BmiBaby when they origionally announced that Durham Tees Valley's operations where to stop and there will be 2 redeployed and 2 new a/c divided by the Airlines 4 key bases, Manchester/ Cardiff/ Birmingham and East Midlands. They were commited to a 60% year on year growth at Birmingham which i suggest will mean more a/c next year. Could this mean an extra a/c at CWL next year because this year it has been an 80% growth at Birmingham. Or are Baby full of crap as usual?
Sorry for the rant
Yeah this new baggage reclaim is a big building with two floors. Hopefully they will re-position Gate 1 and possibly extend it behind the Cafe.
I also seen some work on Wednesday being done to the empty retail area thats on the Right hand Side as you work from Central Search to Entrance of Gates 3 - 15.
How long will gate 2 be out of action as they got a lifts there to take the beer barrels upstairs.
I do know that the Baggage Information desk wil be moved as theres not enough room to swing a mouse in there even though a cat.
Walking a flight from Stand 7 into the domestic arrivals is just a nightmare with no kind of walkway other than green lines. It would take 5 staff to do the job correctly including under the wing of an Aer Arann. Airside safety comes along and moans that passengers are all over the ramp.
It's not the handling agents fault that the airport has removed all kind of walkways from the culdasack that is Stands 1-3, and that when they re-developed the Passport Control area that it is not possible for domestic flights to go through while international flights are there. No splitbetween domestic and International Arrivals, so that means in the summer busses will still be used to take domestic flights from stand 12-17 over to domestic arrivals at stand 1.
According to BmiBaby when they origionally announced that Durham Tees Valley's operations where to stop and there will be 2 redeployed and 2 new a/c divided by the Airlines 4 key bases, Manchester/ Cardiff/ Birmingham and East Midlands. They were commited to a 60% year on year growth at Birmingham which i suggest will mean more a/c next year. Could this mean an extra a/c at CWL next year because this year it has been an 80% growth at Birmingham. Or are Baby full of crap as usual?
Sorry for the rant
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A lot of the negative comment on this thread, especially towards the likes of Midland/Baby management makes me laugh. Between this thread and the bmi thread, there have been comments that bmi/bmibaby management are "incompetent", "a joke" and the best was that "baby makes me so mad"
Let's face it. The reason that airlines like baby don't expand in a big way at Cardiff is lack of potential. The decision to base extra aircraft elsewhere is economic. Midland has been around for a very long time. I am sure by now they recognise a non-starter when they see one and I suspect they view major expansion at CWL as a non-starter even if it does annoy the local "aviation enthusiasts". It's called business sense and I for one, as flight deck for Midland for nearly 10 years was damn glad that the company had it, because it ensured that they paid my mortgage and pension payments whilst I worked for them
Let's face it. The reason that airlines like baby don't expand in a big way at Cardiff is lack of potential. The decision to base extra aircraft elsewhere is economic. Midland has been around for a very long time. I am sure by now they recognise a non-starter when they see one and I suspect they view major expansion at CWL as a non-starter even if it does annoy the local "aviation enthusiasts". It's called business sense and I for one, as flight deck for Midland for nearly 10 years was damn glad that the company had it, because it ensured that they paid my mortgage and pension payments whilst I worked for them
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As for potential passengers at Cardiff anyone who works at BRS or saw when the runway chaos forced ezy to come to CWL will know that loads and loads of Welsh people especially from the core CWL catchment area fly from BRS - there is huge potential for development here but the pathetic management seems more interested in lining their pockets and keeping their heads in the sand than potential route development!
Fine, baby are too focused on BHX for now but by dropping GLA (a core route) to 1 a day (while shoring up Faro!) is madness and only today in the local paper there were ads by EZY for Bristol-Glasgow up to 3 times a day! Now by making such a big deal about Murcia while silently dropping Prague which was one of the last remaining 'special' routes that CWL had is quite frankly ridiculous. What is going to happen now? Is Prague going to be left unserved like Paris was and still is? Oh and whats going to happen to the Eastern European pax now, remember JH was saying only a week ago that PRG is so important to CWL because it helps as a gateway to Poland! Well that didn't last long did it. I'm getting quite worried about this airport actually because it seems that CWL can only grow by taking one step forward and quickly taking another 3 backwards! baby uninterested, flybe busy elsewhere, thomsonfly already wrapped up for s07, what next?
Fine, baby are too focused on BHX for now but by dropping GLA (a core route) to 1 a day (while shoring up Faro!) is madness and only today in the local paper there were ads by EZY for Bristol-Glasgow up to 3 times a day! Now by making such a big deal about Murcia while silently dropping Prague which was one of the last remaining 'special' routes that CWL had is quite frankly ridiculous. What is going to happen now? Is Prague going to be left unserved like Paris was and still is? Oh and whats going to happen to the Eastern European pax now, remember JH was saying only a week ago that PRG is so important to CWL because it helps as a gateway to Poland! Well that didn't last long did it. I'm getting quite worried about this airport actually because it seems that CWL can only grow by taking one step forward and quickly taking another 3 backwards! baby uninterested, flybe busy elsewhere, thomsonfly already wrapped up for s07, what next?
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Perhaps an obvious question, however I'm new to the whole game, but why can't Servisair and Aviance operate both a front of house and ramp product? From most of the other airports I've been to of Cardiff's size, the handling agents to be most competitive to potential airlines, are allowed to offer a complete package.
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See Flybe has changed the times Cwl - Bhd. No longer offers good business times out of Cwl, either there is a lot of down time in Cwl or something else has to happen.
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Yep looking good for Cardiff, must be a new route but there are no clues in the booking engine or timetable. In fact the timetable still has the
early departure back to BHD, which contradicts the booking engine.
Plenty of scope for routes, I suppose France is favourite.
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Yep looking good for Cardiff, must be a new route but there are no clues in the booking engine or timetable. In fact the timetable still has the
early departure back to BHD, which contradicts the booking engine.
Plenty of scope for routes, I suppose France is favourite.
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Bit of a random thought, but could FlyBe possibly decide to take over the WW route to PRG, it could make good business sense they become known in eastern Europe, another route for them from CWL , and its extremely popular as previous posts have suggested.
(An after thought have WW officially dropped PRG or is it still some Timetable re-shuffling)
, and its extremely popular as previous posts have suggested.(An after thought have WW officially dropped PRG or is it still some Timetable re-shuffling)
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Well BEs online schedule is saying the old schedule of quick 30 minute turn around at CWL, while the booking system says-
Arrive at CWL 08.05, Leave CWL for BHD 12.45
Arrive at CWL 15.25, Leave CWL 20.00
So definatley somthing in there, and it is only really useful in the morning for PAX from BHD and in the evening for PAX from CWL to BHD, not really any good for the core biz PAX. You never now they may spring a suprise Glasgow on us? They have 4 Hours and 40 minutes in morning and 4 Hours and 35 minutes in the morning. so really a destination 100 or less from CWL to do the return journey with tight turn arounds. So not a Prauge in there, but quite possibly France (CDG?) or maybe Glasgow, or another domestic destination. Any ideas?
Arrive at CWL 08.05, Leave CWL for BHD 12.45
Arrive at CWL 15.25, Leave CWL 20.00
So definatley somthing in there, and it is only really useful in the morning for PAX from BHD and in the evening for PAX from CWL to BHD, not really any good for the core biz PAX. You never now they may spring a suprise Glasgow on us? They have 4 Hours and 40 minutes in morning and 4 Hours and 35 minutes in the morning. so really a destination 100 or less from CWL to do the return journey with tight turn arounds. So not a Prauge in there, but quite possibly France (CDG?) or maybe Glasgow, or another domestic destination. Any ideas?
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Why is it that no airline seems eager to take on such an easy domestic routes such as GLA or even the currently business oriented NCL which both have huge potential for pax growth? I remember when Czech Airlines left EDI without PRG two airlines rushed in within days to announce a replacement! And CWL struggles to reinstate a core route as in Paris, and succumbs to baby when it announces it is downgrading GLA! The management should be worried because if they don't up their game forget growth this year, we have seen what has happened to DUB (from 12,000 to 4000 pax) and GLA is likely to be repeated so a huge chunk of pax will be lost from the figures! If no routes are announced soon then it will be a dire situation. Honestly this airport is going nowhere, it is becoming increasingly frustrating for people who want to see growth in Cardiff. I for one will not use this airport again in protest at the people in charge who are not concerned about the airport at all - only about lining their pockets!
off up north where they seem to be in love with at the moment, after all they doing well from there by sucking the life out of cardiff. Im sure TOM or even FlyBe would be more than happy to take over some or all of there routes.
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cwl 747 - well rest assured, if baby do what you suggest, it will be as a result of the realization that there is no money to be made at Cardiff and their efforts are best placed elsewhere to balance the books. If there's such massive potential at CWL, sit back and watch the replacement airlines fill the void left by Baby - I think you'll be waiting a very, very long time.