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Flower has hit the nail on the head - this is a politically motivated route with short odds on surviving after the three year PSO support runs out.
However the £1.5m already spent is on developing the civilian facilities at Valley which is much more likely to turn out to be money well spent if it translates into attracting commercially viable routes - London (probably Stanstead) and Dublin are pretty good contenders.
I for one have no problem with public money being used on infrastructure projects that have an economic benefit ( I'd certainly like to see a bit splashed around SWales on road and public transport improvements) - we all certainly pay more than enough tax on transport.
What I do object to is the distortion of the market through public subsidy artificially favouring uneconomic activites to the detriment of those trying to run a good business.
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However the £1.5m already spent is on developing the civilian facilities at Valley which is much more likely to turn out to be money well spent if it translates into attracting commercially viable routes - London (probably Stanstead) and Dublin are pretty good contenders.
I for one have no problem with public money being used on infrastructure projects that have an economic benefit ( I'd certainly like to see a bit splashed around SWales on road and public transport improvements) - we all certainly pay more than enough tax on transport.
What I do object to is the distortion of the market through public subsidy artificially favouring uneconomic activites to the detriment of those trying to run a good business.
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Originally Posted by MonkeyB
However the £1.5m already spent is on developing the civilian facilities at Valley which is much more likely to turn out to be money well spent if it translates into attracting commercially viable routes - London (probably Stanstead) and Dublin are pretty good contenders.
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Hate to jump on a bandwagon, and sound like another naysayer - but nay...
Subsidising airlinks gives bad routes. Flower et al are spot on - this route will be pulled the day after the subsidy is pulled.
Re the aircraft - it looks like a 19 seater each way, twice a day. That is, 38 seats each way. BBC again....
Subsidising airlinks gives bad routes. Flower et al are spot on - this route will be pulled the day after the subsidy is pulled.
Re the aircraft - it looks like a 19 seater each way, twice a day. That is, 38 seats each way. BBC again....
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Highland Airways have not made any decision on where to base the a/c, and has not yet made any decision on who will be the handling agents.
The airlines comercial team will be visiting Wales next week to look into theese matters.
But 'Brian Mackenzie' of Highland Airways has confirmed that it will be a
J31 - 19 SEATER A/C
Possibility on Routes
Aer Arann Cardiff - Valley - Dublin
Eastern Cardiff - Valley - Newcastle
Or would Highland Airways try and operate routes such as Manchester - Newcastle - Aberdeen - Birmingham - Liverpool themselves so the a/c will be active throughout the day rather than having it sitting on the ground most of the day?
The airlines comercial team will be visiting Wales next week to look into theese matters.
But 'Brian Mackenzie' of Highland Airways has confirmed that it will be a
J31 - 19 SEATER A/C
Possibility on Routes
Aer Arann Cardiff - Valley - Dublin
Eastern Cardiff - Valley - Newcastle
Or would Highland Airways try and operate routes such as Manchester - Newcastle - Aberdeen - Birmingham - Liverpool themselves so the a/c will be active throughout the day rather than having it sitting on the ground most of the day?
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Would the money being spent on this White Elephant have been better spent on improving the road infrastructure around the Airport and St Athan ?
Only last week Rhodri Morgan claimed that there was no money in the pot. Surely money spent that would improve the situation for many is a much better use of public money.
Only last week Rhodri Morgan claimed that there was no money in the pot. Surely money spent that would improve the situation for many is a much better use of public money.
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Apparently the true amount of this scheme will be announced within 2 weeks when the deal is finalised. Then we can see exactly how much has been wasted. I'm sure it would take much more money than what is being spent on this scheme to update the road systems around Cardiff Airport and St Athan including the link from J34 of the M4.
The £1.6m spent on the passenger terminal in Valley i believe is a good move as it has been agreed by Anglesey councillors in June 2006 for plans of up to 10 flights per day but i'm sure it could increase if the demand was there. This could benefit North Wales especially Anglesey with the Nuclear Power Station being closed within the next 3 years.
I agree that the route will cease to exist after the 3 years of subsidies by the WAG, but there is the slimest of chances that we might be wrong, and will just have to see how it goes. Highland Airways may have plans to expand from either Cardiff or Valley. 3 Years is a long time in the Airline Industry and as seen before anything can happen within this time even the unexpected.
The £1.6m spent on the passenger terminal in Valley i believe is a good move as it has been agreed by Anglesey councillors in June 2006 for plans of up to 10 flights per day but i'm sure it could increase if the demand was there. This could benefit North Wales especially Anglesey with the Nuclear Power Station being closed within the next 3 years.
I agree that the route will cease to exist after the 3 years of subsidies by the WAG, but there is the slimest of chances that we might be wrong, and will just have to see how it goes. Highland Airways may have plans to expand from either Cardiff or Valley. 3 Years is a long time in the Airline Industry and as seen before anything can happen within this time even the unexpected.
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10 flights a day from Anglesey, yeah right.
Liverpool airport serves North Wales, even those living in North Wales last night said only those living West of Bangor would actually benefit.
Utter waste of public money, if demand was there then a commercial operation would have long ago been set up.
Liverpool airport serves North Wales, even those living in North Wales last night said only those living West of Bangor would actually benefit.
Utter waste of public money, if demand was there then a commercial operation would have long ago been set up.
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I remember, many moons ago, being at a press conference when all this was being dreamed up...
Some politician suggested that it would a be a wonderful thing if the good people of Cardiff could fly to Valley, much the best way for them to catch the ferry from Holyhead.....
.... the ferry from Holyhead that goes to Dublin, in about ten times the total time that it took the Air Wales ATR to do the trick direct from Cardiff to Dublin.
And we VOTE for these people??
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Some politician suggested that it would a be a wonderful thing if the good people of Cardiff could fly to Valley, much the best way for them to catch the ferry from Holyhead.....
.... the ferry from Holyhead that goes to Dublin, in about ten times the total time that it took the Air Wales ATR to do the trick direct from Cardiff to Dublin.
And we VOTE for these people??
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I dont know if youve already this but herres the cofirmation and the criticism,
http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100n...name_page.html
http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100n...name_page.html
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This route could work as a split, possibly Valley-CWL-LGW/LCY?
But we all know this isnt going to happen, unless the MP frequent flyers spend alot of time in London.
CWL-LGW would be a great route - Maybe ASW will get in on this.
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Was Atlantics JER route subsidised?
I really cant see this route working, so much time and effort which could have been better spent elsewhere!
This was a nationwide contract, nothing to do with Cardiff and nothing to do with Aviance ramp.
I belive the MyTravel contract has just been renewed too. So the handling of MYT/TCX could also go either way.
As for the ramp, nothing has been confirmed yet.
Hope everyone is geared up for a busy rugby/football weekend with sunday just about full to capacity!
But we all know this isnt going to happen, unless the MP frequent flyers spend alot of time in London.
CWL-LGW would be a great route - Maybe ASW will get in on this.
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But critics have already suggested the project is environmentally and economically unsustainable. Aviation expert Martin Evans said Highland Airways's parent company Atlantic Express set up a service between London and Jersey last May, only to abandon it in January.
I really cant see this route working, so much time and effort which could have been better spent elsewhere!
Has Thomson decided yet on who they are offering the handling contract to? I'm guessing it is Servisair and they were just putting the frighteners on them.
I belive the MyTravel contract has just been renewed too. So the handling of MYT/TCX could also go either way.
As for the ramp, nothing has been confirmed yet.
Hope everyone is geared up for a busy rugby/football weekend with sunday just about full to capacity!
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Forget LON to any airport it will never be subsdised and commercially it will never work from CWL by air you can not compete with the train. Highland have a J31 based at warton doing a Bae shuttle they will look at tying this airframe into the schedule.
Ref the JER route it was not subsidised and operated from STN in competion with both BA and Flybe
Ref the JER route it was not subsidised and operated from STN in competion with both BA and Flybe
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This was a nationwide contract, nothing to do with Cardiff and nothing to do with Aviance ramp.
I belive the MyTravel contract has just been renewed too. So the handling of MYT/TCX could also go either way.
As for the ramp, nothing has been confirmed yet.
Hope everyone is geared up for a busy rugby/football weekend with sunday just about full to capacity!
As for this year MYT im guessing everything will remain the same. But TCX will have 52% of the new company Thomas Cook Plc. With TCX using Aviance as their handling agents at CWL could we see the contract changing over in S08?
So has the Thomson contract been announced as of yet?
Caaardiff what extra flights we got this weekend then? It's gunna be busy with french rugby flights if any coming back sunday as well. Have you got any specific details on these?
Nice to see that the airports website is up to date again. Still no mention on there about the North-South link.
This was a nationwide contract, nothing to do with Cardiff and nothing to do with Aviance ramp.
I belive the MyTravel contract has just been renewed too. So the handling of MYT/TCX could also go either way.
As for the ramp, nothing has been confirmed yet.
Hope everyone is geared up for a busy rugby/football weekend with sunday just about full to capacity!
As for this year MYT im guessing everything will remain the same. But TCX will have 52% of the new company Thomas Cook Plc. With TCX using Aviance as their handling agents at CWL could we see the contract changing over in S08?
So has the Thomson contract been announced as of yet?
Caaardiff what extra flights we got this weekend then? It's gunna be busy with french rugby flights if any coming back sunday as well. Have you got any specific details on these?
Nice to see that the airports website is up to date again. Still no mention on there about the North-South link.
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Nice to see that the airports website is up to date again. Still no mention on there about the North-South link.
So has the Thomson contract been announced as of yet?
With TCX using Aviance as their handling agents at CWL could we see the contract changing over in S08?
Maybe a more solid network of their own would be built up as FCA have reduced or are no longer selling TCX products (in favour of their own product and increasing other Tour ops such as Cosmos).
TOM however seem to be using FCA for alot of flights in BRS too.
As for this weekend, i know servisair have the following
Rugby flights with FlightLine and Blue Line are in all weekend, commencing today i believe.
Football flights include MON (A300) Titan (752 & 146) European (732), Aero Nova (SWM) and numerous private charters between servisair and signature.
Taxiway Golf is to be used as a parking area due to full capacity
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It will be a fun weekend then bloody typical i got 2 days of and then two 12 hour shifts on Saturday and Sunday, i'm not sure what flights Aviance have got.
To be honest it would have been an extremely big blow for Servisair if they lost the Thomson contract. Thats got to be their bread and butter.
I'f im correct i don't think that TCX had any a/c at all last year from CWL. It was just MYT in the summer.
Maybe they will have an all year stratergy from CWL starting in W07.
I think they will bully FCA wherever they can and i think at CWL they could do this effectivly. In S07 it is showing that FCA will be operating ACE on a thursday in addition to the TFS on friday the same as this year.
Is FUA currently operating ACE (on thursday) on behalf of FCA? or will this be an additional flight in S07?
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To be honest it would have been an extremely big blow for Servisair if they lost the Thomson contract. Thats got to be their bread and butter.
I'f im correct i don't think that TCX had any a/c at all last year from CWL. It was just MYT in the summer.
Maybe they will have an all year stratergy from CWL starting in W07.
I think they will bully FCA wherever they can and i think at CWL they could do this effectivly. In S07 it is showing that FCA will be operating ACE on a thursday in addition to the TFS on friday the same as this year.
Is FUA currently operating ACE (on thursday) on behalf of FCA? or will this be an additional flight in S07?
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Right so baby pulled Prague for the Murcia route!? Well done, looks like CWL is going somewhere for once, yeh right! Why does any new route at this airport have to be at an expense of an existing route?! And why does our great major carrier in bmibaby show absolutely no attention to one of their core bases. Yes we all know that their priorities lie at BHX but by dropping prague silently and making such a fanfare about murcia just makes me so annoyed with them. And as is regularly pointed out, the downgrading of GLA to 1 a day will mean very few people use this major route- prices as a result are up so much ezy is no longer an option!
Also there are rumours that EDI and GLA are to become bmibaby bases this winter! Now where does the argument go that CWL is at the centre of their strategy, what a joke bmibaby and the management are worse - if they can't manage to attract a core carrier then what chance will they ever have? 8m pax in 2030 my foot.
Also there are rumours that EDI and GLA are to become bmibaby bases this winter! Now where does the argument go that CWL is at the centre of their strategy, what a joke bmibaby and the management are worse - if they can't manage to attract a core carrier then what chance will they ever have? 8m pax in 2030 my foot.
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Well their schedule says that it is going to stay 4xWeekly throughought the summer
The flights to Murcia are on mostly different days and at different times, so PRG isnt going for Murcia.
And about the bases in Scotland, well they are growing there from the Midlands, well Birmingham, but shrinking from CWL. Though two bases opeining at once doesnt sound very baby style. Maybe a few months indesicion about a few aircraft. The finally decide too put the planes in BHX. Like their typical plans.
Prauge-
13:15 16:30
WW 2971 25 Mar 07 21 Oct 07
10:20 13:35 WW 2971 26 Mar 07 26 Oct 07
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WW 2971 25 Mar 07 21 Oct 07 10:20 13:35
WW 2971 26 Mar 07 26 Oct 07
And about the bases in Scotland, well they are growing there from the Midlands, well Birmingham, but shrinking from CWL. Though two bases opeining at once doesnt sound very baby style. Maybe a few months indesicion about a few aircraft. The finally decide too put the planes in BHX. Like their typical plans.
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If bmi baby ever do drop PRG all they would probably do is allow TOM to expand. Im sure they would start the route should they ever have the chance. Currently they fly there from Luton, Bournemouth and Doncaster
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Well with all the increases in frequencies, and the new route to BCN. TOMs three aircraft(1 737-300, 1 757-200 and the part time 767) are running upto capacity, and have no room for new routes. Especially Prauge, which is a two hour flight away.
So the only option for then to serve PRG is too base another aircraft, they are though not expanding in fleet size, so the aircraft will have too come from an exisitng base. There a rumours of TOM closing BRS base and getting thair 757 to CWL, though this IMHO is not the best aircraft to do PRG, and with flight on sale for S08 unlikley.
As my previous post states WW are still goping too serve PRG, and with the same frequencey as this year 4XDay. So are they cutting the flights?
So the only option for then to serve PRG is too base another aircraft, they are though not expanding in fleet size, so the aircraft will have too come from an exisitng base. There a rumours of TOM closing BRS base and getting thair 757 to CWL, though this IMHO is not the best aircraft to do PRG, and with flight on sale for S08 unlikley.
As my previous post states WW are still goping too serve PRG, and with the same frequencey as this year 4XDay. So are they cutting the flights?
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Sorry I only checked the schedule for Prauge, and they dont operate at the same time as Murcia (Which isnt up on the schedule yet, just on the booking system) So sorry if I have confused and they are really cutting Prauge. Every other base is available to Prauge except CWL, so it may be such bad news.
This is a sorry state that baby are leaving us in. A major city down too just one daily, while anothher with almost equal daily traffic, as 2 daily with two different carriers. BTW does anyone know how BE are doing on the sales of that route?
Another very popular route, a faviroute of the LO-COs Prauge isnt going to be a route from CWL in 2007. TOM doesnt have anything lest to serve the route, as their schedules are full, and no real carrier able too jump in on the route. This means another route lost for CWL for 'exiting' Murcia. Lets all hope for some good news.
This is a sorry state that baby are leaving us in. A major city down too just one daily, while anothher with almost equal daily traffic, as 2 daily with two different carriers. BTW does anyone know how BE are doing on the sales of that route?
Another very popular route, a faviroute of the LO-COs Prauge isnt going to be a route from CWL in 2007. TOM doesnt have anything lest to serve the route, as their schedules are full, and no real carrier able too jump in on the route. This means another route lost for CWL for 'exiting' Murcia. Lets all hope for some good news.