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Old 24th Jan 2010, 21:57
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Most people have some form of criteria by which they choose their airline of preference. You obviously have cost very high on your list and I would not criticise you for that. However, other people may have different criteria.
On short haul flights, yeah, I suppose cost is fairly high on my list. In these difficult times, I suppose it is the same for many which is why the locos can do well in this sort of financial climate. Having flown with LS about 9 times now, mostly because it is the dominant carrier at my local airport (BLK). I like their product but it's not worth paying a lot more for verses EZY. However....on long haul I always try and choose the carriers I think are the best!

Regarding some of the future destinations you identified for LS, I would suggest they would be better or could only be operated profitably as Charter destinations and as such LS involvement would be to operate the flights on behalf of a tour operator such as Jet2 Holidays.
That's the sort of operation I was thinking! LS could do what BE now do, for example they are contracted to run Prestwick-Jersey in summer IIRC by Discover Jersey (or similar Tour Operator). They perform this contract but sell spare seats on a seat-only basis through their own website. Additional revenue can be gained on top of the charter like this!

In my experience more people tend to choose packages for these ''less mainstream" (although I use that term very loosely) destinations. I don't see any point in LS (outside "fortress LBA", although that's now been entered by FR) trying to compete on city type routes such as AMS/CDG which EZY, WW and the legacies cover well. Or doing regional airports around Europe that FR cover well with their strategy, remember Jet2's planned flights from LBA to Albert-Picardie Airport last year? Ski airports can work on this basis but some tiny field that's not had flights in about 10 years is more suited to FR IMO!
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Old 24th Jan 2010, 22:08
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To be fair we have always used monarch ZB service and found them to be excellent , maybe a little bit more more expensive but they some how seem to be a cut way above the rest, at the end of the day you pay your money and takes your choice , if cost is a overiding concern perhaps jet 2 is the way , however if you want excellent customer service and wish to fly in modern well maintained aeroplanes perhaps its worth the extra few bob to go with monarch.

Having said that we found the jet2 cabin crew be excellent , its a pity they have to work with such old tired aeroplanes.
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Old 25th Jan 2010, 13:04
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Fear not cherry lock ,i was only joking about jet 2 using kwikfit fitters, any work carried out on any aircraft has to certified by a licensed engineer who also has to be type rated on that particular aircraft, engineers are licensed by the relevant authority in this case EASA , who issue those licenses not the airline, so rest assured they are very well qualified people.
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Old 25th Jan 2010, 16:31
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its a pity they have to work with such old tired aeroplanes.
The Worlds Airline Fleets, including many British, are full of tired aeroplanes
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Old 25th Jan 2010, 18:13
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Cabin refits!

Passengers that have flown on the aircrafts that have had the cabin refits this winter! already think their flying on a new aircraft! and are very impressed! I have to say they do look amazing, and look alot more modern now! only a plane spotter would know the age of them now!
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Old 25th Jan 2010, 19:07
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Could you post any pictures of the new cabins?
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Old 25th Jan 2010, 20:26
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That's the sort of operation I was thinking! LS could do what BE now do, for example they are contracted to run Prestwick-Jersey in summer IIRC by Discover Jersey (or similar Tour Operator). They perform this contract but sell spare seats on a seat-only basis through their own website. Additional revenue can be gained on top of the charter like this!

In my experience more people tend to choose packages for these ''less mainstream" (although I use that term very loosely) destinations. I don't see any point in LS (outside "fortress LBA", although that's now been entered by FR) trying to compete on city type routes such as AMS/CDG which EZY, WW and the legacies cover well. Or doing regional airports around Europe that FR cover well with their strategy, remember Jet2's planned flights from LBA to Albert-Picardie Airport last year? Ski airports can work on this basis but some tiny field that's not had flights in about 10 years is more suited to FR IMO!
Ahhh, but you are forgetting Jet2 already do this! The Albert Route was principally sold to Schools into Europe, with the remaining 48 seats on each flight being made available via Jet2.com for the public. However due to two major cancellations by schools the route had to be pulled at the last minute as flying a 737 with 30 people on is not sustainable! Jet2 also have significant allocations to other Tour Operators, ones off my head;

Malaga - Thomas Cook (40 seats on a Sunday), Travelsphere, Omega Holidays
Tenerife - Thomas Cook (30 seats Tues & Fri)
Heraklion - Thomas Cook
Faro - Thomas Cook
Arrecife - Thomas Cook
Sharm - Thomas Cook
Jersey - Jersey Travel Service, Reader Holidays, Discover Jersey
Milan Bergamo - Reader Travel, Omega Holidays, Travelshpere
Venice - Omega Holidays, Travelsphere

Just to mention a few...! Jet2 also have a flexible allocation by Jet2Holidays on all holiday routes, which the majority are distributed by World Choice Travel Agents, Co-Op Travel, Althams and Thomas Cook. Jet2 have built up a solid business model over the last two years. Seats are sold at the base fare to the tour operators i.e. £9.99 + taxes, this shifts the onus off Jet2 to fill the seats, and gives Jet2 a high degree of control over pricing, often leading to fluctuations in the price the closer to the departure date. This is the basis of the East Midlands base, and all new routes from Manchester and Newcastle, they have (a small) backing by Tour Operators hence the routes are profitable with the aircraft only doing two sectors some days.

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Passengers that have flown on the aircrafts that have had the cabin refits this winter! already think their flying on a new aircraft! and are very impressed! I have to say they do look amazing, and look alot more modern now! only a plane spotter would know the age of them now!
I haven't managed to get onboard one of the re-fitted a/c yet, have the done the same style job as the 737 cabins?, and put in the new seats like on 'AC and 'AH?
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Old 25th Jan 2010, 20:56
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Cabin Refurbishment

Have all the 757's been refurbished ?
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Old 25th Jan 2010, 21:25
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Cabin refits!

They have done more on the 75s than the 73s! Althought the 73s are to have the new seats fitted once the 75s are done! estimated to be all done in a year! or as quick as Acro can make them! 1x73 LD has already been done, maybe too see what it looks like finished and make the desicion if they were to be done also, im not sure.

Refits include, new carpets, seats, curtains, bulkhead coverings, lockers painted and new wall coverings, alot more red and most of the blue has gone now apart from the blue in the crews uniform! toilets have also had refits too, with new wall coverings and toilet fixings! wish i could show you the pics but have no idea how too post! The new seats give so much more leg room its unbelievable, you can literally walk into the seat area! passengers are really impressed, Apart from not having a proper seat pocket to store larger items, thats the only complaint ive had, but TOM have the same style pockets so cant see it being a major problem.

2x 75s have been done up too now AC and AG and the rest to be finished before may! think there been done as they go in for there C checks.
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Old 25th Jan 2010, 22:30
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The new seats give so much more leg room its unbelievable, you can literally walk into the seat area!
Ahhh don't let PM hear you say that or he will be putting row 3 back in on the 75's and cramming as many as possible on! Sod the extra legroom seats at the front!!
What have they done with the seats? The red ones on AC last summer looked much smarter than the orangey/red and grey ones they put on AH. Good to see AG has had some TLC!! Am I right in thinking that the strip on the lockers next to the 'push' button is also red now? Despite the usual mumblings on here, Jet2 will have the best 757 cabins in the UK short/mid haul market so the usual wingers who have only flown Jet2 twice, should perhaps give them a try this summer and see what they are like then.

I don't like to bring money and the thought of bankruptcies into this, but if Monarch is the airline so many people keep banging on about, how come they barely made a profit last year, when the likes of Jet2 made £23.7 million profit? To finally put an end to the doom-mongers on here, Jet2 is expanding this year, currently with an additional 737 and 757 in the fleet, upgraded aircraft cabins, improved profit margins and more importantly a dedicated work force. If you don't like Jet2, then stay off the Jet2 forum. You don't see any Jet2 employees or people with an axe to grind constantly going onto the Monarch, or any other forum for that matter going on over such unsubstantiated claims such as aircraft being maintained by Kwik Fit. It's getting boring and is very childish.
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Old 25th Jan 2010, 22:49
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Seats!

The dark red ones on AC did look much more profesional! but think PM wants to be more fun! so he has gone with the red and grey ones! once you see it with the rest of the refit, they go much better than the dark red ones!

The bulk heads and locker inserts near the buttons are the same red as the seats! Jet2 red as its known at work!

Carpets are now grey with little red aeroplanes on them, and the wall coverings on the toilets and in them, have little planes all over them, the same little aeroplane thats on the Jet2 logo in the J...
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 06:02
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With all this talk of refurbs, does that mean the checking staff and engineers have had a pay rise ? !!!!!!! oh and not forgetting, the pilots as well ?
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 08:31
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How do I attach a photo?
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 09:33
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Thank you simonchowder for your polite informed reply, im reassured! ,its people lIke you who make this site such a mine of information for aviation enthusiasts, however its a shame not everyone can be helpfull eh PH?( very apt username BTW)

Im pleased to read jet 2 have spent so much time and effort rebuilding their aeroplanes, i might even give them a try next month, as i said the staff were lovely and such a shame they had to work in such bad conditions
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 10:00
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new routes

with the arrival of another 733 and a 757 will we see more routes for the summer are these aircraft going to be used as spares until the winter timetable?
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 10:06
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new routes
with the arrival of another 733 and a 757 will we see more routes for the summer are these aircraft going to be used as spares until the winter timetable?


How about something else ex NQY, i see that Jet2 are only offering Belfast this summer.

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Old 26th Jan 2010, 10:12
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With Jet2 picking up a lot of charter work this summer does the 757 refit include any IFE? Lots of pax on 4 hour plus flights might be upset if there isn't any especially if booking through TCX etc. as they will expect it, same probably goes for hot meals.
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 10:21
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cherrylock.
sorry if i upset you, but maybe you should try and read the posts more carefully, suggest you start at 2901 and then 2903,did you honestly think kwikfit were employed to mantain aircraft?
oh and by the way jet2 are refurbishing thier aircraft not rebuilding the things
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 10:35
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HH - are you seriously suggesting J2 have taken on excess capacity for the summer, in readiness for the winter???? An interesting way to bankrupt an airline quickly I suppose, but thankfully PM is a bit more switched on. The extra 737 and 757 are the aircraft needed to operate the summer programme. For winter, they will sit around with the rest of the fleet and some of the crew on part time contracts or go through maintenance. Until there is a major improvement in trading conditions that trickles through into stronger winter trading, J2 will be do the vast majority of their flying between April - October.
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Old 26th Jan 2010, 11:11
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Terribly sorry i upset you with my terminolgy, PH, im afraid im a simple woman who doesnt really understand the technical aspects of aircraft maintenance, no doubt you are a pilot or engineer or some other such god like creature in the aviation industry, however we dont all possess your vast knowledge, so try and be a bit kinder in your replies to ignorant mortals such as i.
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