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The LGW to NOC and the LTN flights weren't showing up the other day from memory.
On another note why is this page 31 not showing up as being there it was yesterday
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The LGW to NOC and the LTN flights weren't showing up the other day from memory.
On another note why is this page 31 not showing up as being there it was yesterday
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Very strange that bmibaby are not offering MAN-BOD this winter as I'm sure it was 4/5 x weekly last winter. They seem to have scaled back quite a few of their routes this winter which yet again shows their total non commitment to Manchester. Would be very surprised if Bordeux didn't return next summer coz it gets very good loads.
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Last winter BOD was 2 45 7
PGF was 1 3 56
Nothing this year
In addition to WW I have doubts about GT and even BE commitment to Man at least in respect of the latter for routes to Europe.
LS winter season is none too good either. Summer yet to be seen. It does look as though they are dropping BGY, PRG and BCN which is about to go.
TOM seem to be the only one who look likely to expand at present
PGF was 1 3 56
Nothing this year
In addition to WW I have doubts about GT and even BE commitment to Man at least in respect of the latter for routes to Europe.
LS winter season is none too good either. Summer yet to be seen. It does look as though they are dropping BGY, PRG and BCN which is about to go.
TOM seem to be the only one who look likely to expand at present
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Which goes some way to backing up the argument that despite an array of LCC's already based at MAN, it still needs someone like FR or EZY to come in and show year round commitment. The current Loco's rely too heavily on seasonal routes. That said, I'm sure they could make these routes work throughout the winter months if they tried. LS are only operaing AGP 3 x weekly this winter and WW to AGP is reduced from daily to 5 x weekly. This is a poor show. AGP has immense year round demand and should be able to sustain various daily flights without a problem.
Jet2 have had a poor winter program from MAN since they started. They seem happy with hammering the leisure routes during the summer months and then offering a very sparse winter timetable. Why don't they go for some destinations that can be sustained year round? bmibaby seem to chop and change their program year on year. If BOD and PGF can operate 4 x weekly last winter, then why cut it altogether this winter? They certainly won't operate any alternative routes in their place. Very disappointed with WW. They have a relatively good product now and they do very well from MAN in terms of passenger loads. They just don't seem committed to going that extra mile.
Perhaps now is a good chance for TOM and ZB to dominate the field. I agree that TOM are showing excellent commitment to MAN and with a bit of forward planning and thought they can lead the game at Manchester. ZB have always shown the desire to expand services and with the exception of the odd few dropped routes, they have grown steadily since their arrival. Perhaps now is the time for them to dabble in some new markets away from the traditional 'bucket and spade' destinations.
Jet2 have had a poor winter program from MAN since they started. They seem happy with hammering the leisure routes during the summer months and then offering a very sparse winter timetable. Why don't they go for some destinations that can be sustained year round? bmibaby seem to chop and change their program year on year. If BOD and PGF can operate 4 x weekly last winter, then why cut it altogether this winter? They certainly won't operate any alternative routes in their place. Very disappointed with WW. They have a relatively good product now and they do very well from MAN in terms of passenger loads. They just don't seem committed to going that extra mile.
Perhaps now is a good chance for TOM and ZB to dominate the field. I agree that TOM are showing excellent commitment to MAN and with a bit of forward planning and thought they can lead the game at Manchester. ZB have always shown the desire to expand services and with the exception of the odd few dropped routes, they have grown steadily since their arrival. Perhaps now is the time for them to dabble in some new markets away from the traditional 'bucket and spade' destinations.
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I agree with everything you say.
I think one of the problems is that there are too many LCC's at MAN none of which are showing the commitment one would have hoped. I could be wrong but LS came in full of good ideas but have gone in some ways like WW by expanding elsewhere and not concentrating there efforts as they could have done,particularly where Blackpool is concerned because that has to be taking PAXs away from their own services from MAN. Most LCCs at MAN go for leisure destinations whereas EZY and FR don't concentrate just on leisure.
I doubt either will come to MAN for a while because they are doing fine from LPL and to start services from MAN will affect their existing services at LPL
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I think one of the problems is that there are too many LCC's at MAN none of which are showing the commitment one would have hoped. I could be wrong but LS came in full of good ideas but have gone in some ways like WW by expanding elsewhere and not concentrating there efforts as they could have done,particularly where Blackpool is concerned because that has to be taking PAXs away from their own services from MAN. Most LCCs at MAN go for leisure destinations whereas EZY and FR don't concentrate just on leisure.
I doubt either will come to MAN for a while because they are doing fine from LPL and to start services from MAN will affect their existing services at LPL
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If you have a look at the Jet2 thread, there are currently a lot of mutterings about them dropping routes/reducing frequency at other bases too. The problem with LS is I think they jump in at the deep end and expand hastily without any real thought being put in. They've made a few bad choices which has cost them. Operating PRG instead of WAW was an error and the timings on their BCN route were so useless, it's any wonder it has survived this long. With a bit more planning they could have offered routes from MAN to places such as MAD, TLL & RIX where there is demand but little competition.
Interestingly, for those of you who work at MAN, there is an interview with Michael O'Leary on the intranet. He is talking to the MAplc management regarding opening up a Ryanair base at Manchester. In the interview, he claims that if MAN were to offer a dedicated low cost terminal with guaranteed short turnaround times and cut prices facilities, then he would open up a base in a heartbeat. Whether or not he was just humouring the management is something to be considered but I genuinely think that MOL sees the potential of MAN and if he got what he wanted, then FR would soon be a regular visitor to Manchester.
Interestingly, for those of you who work at MAN, there is an interview with Michael O'Leary on the intranet. He is talking to the MAplc management regarding opening up a Ryanair base at Manchester. In the interview, he claims that if MAN were to offer a dedicated low cost terminal with guaranteed short turnaround times and cut prices facilities, then he would open up a base in a heartbeat. Whether or not he was just humouring the management is something to be considered but I genuinely think that MOL sees the potential of MAN and if he got what he wanted, then FR would soon be a regular visitor to Manchester.
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Totally agree about the MOL comments. LPL and MAN would easily be able to support the airline, just look at LTN/STN and Bremen/Dusseldorf. The current FR routes show how MAN is a success with both routes being increased in the next few months, and not affecting and LPL route.
The airport could do with a major reconstruction. If they were to turn T3 into a LC terminal which would be right next to 23R and near 23L. This would help give FR the 25 minute turnaround they want. It would also give LS, WW and BE a more efficient operation at the airport. Then, turn T2 into a long haul terminal and connect it with T1 which would work for EU and domestic flights.
Also, hoping to see EZY at the airport just like BHX.
The airport could do with a major reconstruction. If they were to turn T3 into a LC terminal which would be right next to 23R and near 23L. This would help give FR the 25 minute turnaround they want. It would also give LS, WW and BE a more efficient operation at the airport. Then, turn T2 into a long haul terminal and connect it with T1 which would work for EU and domestic flights.
Also, hoping to see EZY at the airport just like BHX.
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Not sure about the increase to SNN . Although they said they would increase to Daily ex Saturday and it was showing on their web site it is no longer available on the web site apart from the current schedule
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Doesn't most of the long-haul already go through T2?
U2 is still near the beginning of their "exclusive" contract with LPL; it's known that they wanted MAN ops to begin with but having made it's bed with BA, MAN is now lumbered without them for a good number of years unless U2 decides to tear up it's contract with LPL.
FR's problem is that they have 189 seats to fill on their aircraft. We have seen that they are trying out various routes out of LPL but have had to scale back and eventually withdraw some of them because the aircraft is too large to support those routes. Plus if we're talking up their expansion here, remember they only fly to Dublin and Shannon...and there are plenty of folk who visit those environs each year. If they had one or two non-Irish routes ex-MAN and were expanding those with no impact on LPL, then we might have cause for more optimism.
U2 is still near the beginning of their "exclusive" contract with LPL; it's known that they wanted MAN ops to begin with but having made it's bed with BA, MAN is now lumbered without them for a good number of years unless U2 decides to tear up it's contract with LPL.
FR's problem is that they have 189 seats to fill on their aircraft. We have seen that they are trying out various routes out of LPL but have had to scale back and eventually withdraw some of them because the aircraft is too large to support those routes. Plus if we're talking up their expansion here, remember they only fly to Dublin and Shannon...and there are plenty of folk who visit those environs each year. If they had one or two non-Irish routes ex-MAN and were expanding those with no impact on LPL, then we might have cause for more optimism.
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Any arrival from FR is ultimately determined by if and when the airport provides MOL with what he wants. They are spending a fortune on redeveloping Terminals 1 and 2, which goes completely against the type of facilities that Ryanair wants/needs from an airport. Plus, with all this money being spent it is hardly likely they will build a dedicated low cost terminal any time soon. The hope then pins on T3. Ideally located for a quick turnaround, although I think it will need to be made larger if it is to deal with all the Loco's in one hub. I have heard of plans that once the redevelopments have been completed, the idea is that all scheduled carriers will operate from T1, all charters from T2 and all Loco's from T3. Nice idea in theory, particularly if they do want to attract the likes of FR to the airport.
With regards to EZY, I don't think we will see them based at MAN any time soon but does this 'exclusive' contract with LPL mean they cannot operate into MAN from their other bases? If that is not the case, then I think we will see a small scattering of routes to MAN appear within the next few years, similar to what they've just announced at BHX.
With regards to EZY, I don't think we will see them based at MAN any time soon but does this 'exclusive' contract with LPL mean they cannot operate into MAN from their other bases? If that is not the case, then I think we will see a small scattering of routes to MAN appear within the next few years, similar to what they've just announced at BHX.
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You can't put all your airlines in different terminals by type e.g. loco/sched/charter. That way, T1 and T3 would be busy morning and evening and dead in the day, and T2 would be dead all day but busy all night. So each terminal would be more peaky. You need a few of each in each terminal to fill in the peaks and troughs. That's an old idea and it won't happen.
Perhaps the locos won't/can't make a go of MAN because it's too expensive and too complicated, with too many delays and queues. That's why LPL etc. do so well. Enlightened, responsive, flexible management, and a compact and well-laid out terminal. MAN is a dinosaur in airport terms. FR is the opposite of that.
Perhaps the locos won't/can't make a go of MAN because it's too expensive and too complicated, with too many delays and queues. That's why LPL etc. do so well. Enlightened, responsive, flexible management, and a compact and well-laid out terminal. MAN is a dinosaur in airport terms. FR is the opposite of that.
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T3 will become the designed lo-co terminal at MAN once extended. Rumours are already going round that AA are set to move over to T1 once the redevelopment is completed there.
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Why would AA move when BA are still at T3? I thought the plan was to keep all OneWorld airlines as close as possible across the globe. ie) Barajas, Narita and soon Heathrow.
One thing MAN would have to get rid of would be the air bridges from T3 if it was to become Loco. FR state (through their advertisement company) that all flights are boarded and deplaned by the passenger stairs and not using airbridges. Obviously, other airlines would want these, but it would certainly not appeal to FR!
So, as you say it is designed to be the new loco terminal, does this mean LS will be looking at moving? Obviously, ZB would have to stay at T1 as it would stay with it's charter market (MON).
One thing MAN would have to get rid of would be the air bridges from T3 if it was to become Loco. FR state (through their advertisement company) that all flights are boarded and deplaned by the passenger stairs and not using airbridges. Obviously, other airlines would want these, but it would certainly not appeal to FR!
So, as you say it is designed to be the new loco terminal, does this mean LS will be looking at moving? Obviously, ZB would have to stay at T1 as it would stay with it's charter market (MON).
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Believe me, the plans to relocate airlines into terminals depending on category ie - Charter, Sched, Loco is not an old idea, it was in fact brought up at a Terminal 2 team brief meeting only a few weeks back and the airport is seriously considering it. How exactly it would work I'm not too sure, but the management are working through the plans. The idea is for AA/BA/BD to move out of T3 and into T1. WW would stay in T3 as would of course BE. LS and FR would move over to T3 from T1, ZB would stay where they are in T1. Then the plan is to move the merged TCX/MYT airline into T2 so that all the charters (except MON) are together. I'm guessing the smaller charters based in T1 would also move to T2.
On a different note, regarding FR and airbridges, whilst I was down at AGP this summer I noticed 2 Ryanair flights were on bridges. Very surprised to see this. Do you think they were lost??
On a different note, regarding FR and airbridges, whilst I was down at AGP this summer I noticed 2 Ryanair flights were on bridges. Very surprised to see this. Do you think they were lost??
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Lol. I don't think they were lost, during the summer AGP can become one of the most cogested airports in Europe as it is such a popular destination with the Germans, British, Irish etc. ATC probably told them they had no option as all other stands were taken, and you don't mess with ATC! (Speaking from experience!)
