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Together with the UK, Ireland, Channel Islands and the Isle of Man form the 'common travel area', an agreement dating back to Irish independence whereby there are no border controls within this area.
That may change if NI ever became part of the Republic though, or Ireland join the Schengen zone.
That may change if NI ever became part of the Republic though, or Ireland join the Schengen zone.
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I seem to remember that the staff bus was in part instigated due to the rape or attempted rape of a female staff member some years ago. Perhaps MAN are waiting for this to happen again before behaving in a proper manner.
Let me spell it out to the management, we are captive in your hell on earth. We cannot bring drinks in with us to airside areas and are therefore spending money all day long on over priced water cola et al !! In a year I imagine that the staff spend more in your shopping mall (with a runway close by) than the fare paying public. Therefore, can we please have our staff bus back? Or do we have to wait for another attack in the early hours for you lot to become concerned again!!!!!
Let me spell it out to the management, we are captive in your hell on earth. We cannot bring drinks in with us to airside areas and are therefore spending money all day long on over priced water cola et al !! In a year I imagine that the staff spend more in your shopping mall (with a runway close by) than the fare paying public. Therefore, can we please have our staff bus back? Or do we have to wait for another attack in the early hours for you lot to become concerned again!!!!!
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Passports relate to HM Immigration Service. Their officers are not interested in travellers from ROI or NI.
However, HM Revenue and Customs are interested in ROI arrivals, but not NI arrivals.
Police Special Branch are interested in both, for counter-terrorism reasons, along with any other flight in which they decide to take an interest.
Hence the work of art that are the flexible corridors in T1 arrivals, carousel 7.
However, HM Revenue and Customs are interested in ROI arrivals, but not NI arrivals.
Police Special Branch are interested in both, for counter-terrorism reasons, along with any other flight in which they decide to take an interest.
Hence the work of art that are the flexible corridors in T1 arrivals, carousel 7.
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Lots of negative rumblings about AA's MAN-BOS service.
The service end date has been reduced from the end of November to the end of October, and res staff are being told it is not coming back next year.
The service end date has been reduced from the end of November to the end of October, and res staff are being told it is not coming back next year.
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Negative winter to come!!
Following on from the comment by spanishflea, it would certainly appear that the winter's pickings will indeed be sparse.
I have also heard about the early withdrawal of the BOS service and the overall reduction in both movements and passengers for the winter. The ramifications of the loss of BA Connect will continue for sometime - despite their replacement by Flybe.
We can only hope that next summer will be more upbeat - and less damp (in all senses) than 2007.
Scottie Dog
I have also heard about the early withdrawal of the BOS service and the overall reduction in both movements and passengers for the winter. The ramifications of the loss of BA Connect will continue for sometime - despite their replacement by Flybe.
We can only hope that next summer will be more upbeat - and less damp (in all senses) than 2007.
Scottie Dog
MAN-BOS. Could be one for Jet2.com to test the water, so to speak.
Very dissappointing from AA if true, bad enough the MIA no longer shows for the winter. I have to make my Key West trips via ATL (DL)
Very dissappointing from AA if true, bad enough the MIA no longer shows for the winter. I have to make my Key West trips via ATL (DL)
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MAN-BOS. Could be one for Jet2.com to test the water, so to speak.
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When I was looking at fares to Boston, the cheapest AA fare was not the direct flight from MAN, but instead a connection at Chicago. Maybe the reason passengers are all connecting at Boston is because all the AA passengers to the city have been routed through Chicago or London....it's very stupid. However, if you look at DL fares to New York, it's the same story- more expensive to go direct!
Not surprising - the CAA passenger figures for June 2007 published yesterday make particularly poor reading for Manchester.
Manchester-Boston was 4,664 passengers and Manchester-Miami (which is a through-flight extension of the AA95) was 4,256. Add the two together equals 8,920 passengers. That's down 10% versus last year. Daily 757 with 188 seats x 30 days x 2 sectors equals 11,280 seats so 79% loadfactor which isn't great for transatlantic in June. Obviously we've no idea what price they are selling the seats for but this indicator isn't too healthy.
Delta are also having an awful time on MAN-JFK. Total JFK pax figures (DL+BA+PK) were down 27% versus last year in June and DL's loadfactor hasn't risen above 60% for the last three months. The service is being cut back to five per week with a 757 for the winter. Although passenger figures to Atlanta increased versus last year, the 767-400 at 285 seats indicates a loadfactor of 73% with 12,631 pax carried.
Manchester-Toronto passengers were down 38%, and only Calgary, Vancouver, Orlando and Philadelphia showed reasonable growth on the transatlantic front.
Unless this starts to get better, it would not be surprising to see some more long-haul cuts.
Manchester-Boston was 4,664 passengers and Manchester-Miami (which is a through-flight extension of the AA95) was 4,256. Add the two together equals 8,920 passengers. That's down 10% versus last year. Daily 757 with 188 seats x 30 days x 2 sectors equals 11,280 seats so 79% loadfactor which isn't great for transatlantic in June. Obviously we've no idea what price they are selling the seats for but this indicator isn't too healthy.
Delta are also having an awful time on MAN-JFK. Total JFK pax figures (DL+BA+PK) were down 27% versus last year in June and DL's loadfactor hasn't risen above 60% for the last three months. The service is being cut back to five per week with a 757 for the winter. Although passenger figures to Atlanta increased versus last year, the 767-400 at 285 seats indicates a loadfactor of 73% with 12,631 pax carried.
Manchester-Toronto passengers were down 38%, and only Calgary, Vancouver, Orlando and Philadelphia showed reasonable growth on the transatlantic front.
Unless this starts to get better, it would not be surprising to see some more long-haul cuts.
DL JFK on 763 @ 199 seats.
BA JFK on 763 @ 189 seats which changed late last year, I think.
Either which way, BA were operating with 213 seats last year on dear old 'WH and so the reduction of 48 sector seats per day x 30 days means that a maximum of 1,440 customers could have been lost due to this cutback if BA operated at constant 100% loadfactors (which I doubt!). The CAA stats show over 6,000 fewer passengers between MAN and JFK in June 2007 than June 06, so the issue is far more fundamental than a bit of capacity reduction by BA.
It also can't be said that it is the effect of LPL-JFK. CAA stats show 2,575 passengers on this - which (if they actually flew the daily service planned) means 43 passengers per flight ex Liverpool. Uugh.
BA JFK on 763 @ 189 seats which changed late last year, I think.
Either which way, BA were operating with 213 seats last year on dear old 'WH and so the reduction of 48 sector seats per day x 30 days means that a maximum of 1,440 customers could have been lost due to this cutback if BA operated at constant 100% loadfactors (which I doubt!). The CAA stats show over 6,000 fewer passengers between MAN and JFK in June 2007 than June 06, so the issue is far more fundamental than a bit of capacity reduction by BA.
It also can't be said that it is the effect of LPL-JFK. CAA stats show 2,575 passengers on this - which (if they actually flew the daily service planned) means 43 passengers per flight ex Liverpool. Uugh.
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Flightrider.
IT should be noted that BA now operate New York with a premium economy
cabin,which I think came into being late 2006. This will probably account for the reduction of seats on BA,but as they obviously charge more for prem ec. possible there revenue has increased.
Also are PIA allowed to pick up passengers at Manchester to go across the pond.
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IT should be noted that BA now operate New York with a premium economy
cabin,which I think came into being late 2006. This will probably account for the reduction of seats on BA,but as they obviously charge more for prem ec. possible there revenue has increased.
Also are PIA allowed to pick up passengers at Manchester to go across the pond.
Regards
Peakp
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MAN-LHR in freefall if June numbers are indicative.
june 2004 = 120k
june 2005 = 100k
june 2006 = 92k
june 2007 = 76k
Net reduction of 44k passengers in 3 years - the equivalent of the NCL-LHR service in totality lost. MAG annual report and accounts talks of green issues, railways and airport hassle all putting domestic flights under pressure and this would seem to be borne out in the numbers. An interesting one to watch over the coming months considering these numbers won't have been impacted unduly by the most recent airport related security issues.
GLA and EDI as the other two big city pair routings into LHR are also suffering, albeit not quite as markedly.
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june 2004 = 120k
june 2005 = 100k
june 2006 = 92k
june 2007 = 76k
Net reduction of 44k passengers in 3 years - the equivalent of the NCL-LHR service in totality lost. MAG annual report and accounts talks of green issues, railways and airport hassle all putting domestic flights under pressure and this would seem to be borne out in the numbers. An interesting one to watch over the coming months considering these numbers won't have been impacted unduly by the most recent airport related security issues.
GLA and EDI as the other two big city pair routings into LHR are also suffering, albeit not quite as markedly.
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I don't think it comes as any great surprise numbers are down on Heathrow, since the services on the West Coast main line (supposedly)improved then its been a well known fact that people have moved to the rail.
It will also come as no great surprise if some of BD slots are used for the transatlantic adventure for SMB.
I don't think it comes as any great surprise numbers are down on Heathrow, since the services on the West Coast main line (supposedly)improved then its been a well known fact that people have moved to the rail.
It will also come as no great surprise if some of BD slots are used for the transatlantic adventure for SMB.
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I suspect that as well as rail taking passengers from the MAN-LHR route, there is growing tendancy to make connections at Schipol/CDG etc rather than LHR, which frankly is just too unpleasent in comparison.
The awful summer may mean higher bookings next year, as the pattern of bookings holidays at home because of improved summer weather is broken.
As for the US flights, I know a lot of people who won't travel there anymore because of the security hassle and real/perceived rudeness and dislike of the way they are treated both in the UK and the US. If the figures really are falling with a 2$ to the pound exchange rate, then that is not a good sign. JFK & NYC in general seems over-serviced from MAN anyway.
If you do go via ORD avoid it like the plague in the winter months, it grinds to a halt for days on end when the snow and storms come in.
The awful summer may mean higher bookings next year, as the pattern of bookings holidays at home because of improved summer weather is broken.
As for the US flights, I know a lot of people who won't travel there anymore because of the security hassle and real/perceived rudeness and dislike of the way they are treated both in the UK and the US. If the figures really are falling with a 2$ to the pound exchange rate, then that is not a good sign. JFK & NYC in general seems over-serviced from MAN anyway.
If you do go via ORD avoid it like the plague in the winter months, it grinds to a halt for days on end when the snow and storms come in.