DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 4
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Why is everyone fixated on the LHR route. It is in the great scheme of things an outdated anachronism with the updating of the East Coast Mainline and the 100's of millions of pounds being spent on the A1.The route does not work any more.Better hubs for long haul are available with KLM and the business traveller dosen't need it any more.
With the demographics of the area served by airports such as Teesside and Humberside the only possible growth market is holiday flights to tried and tested destinations.
Everyone still wants to go on holiday and the sea sun and sand resorts in the Med and Canaries are where the mass market still wants to travel.
Low cost operators and niche holiday companies are regarded with suspicion by the man in the street after the recent debacles in the holiday industry and the hype over companies in every area being overextended and liable to fail at any moment.
Tui group and Thomas Cook group are fanning the flames by briefing that other companies are on the brink of disaster but they are large well run profitable companies with a good track record over many years.THEY ARE ALSO ATOL BONDED COMPANIES. This is always in capital letters nowadays on all of their literature. This reassures those of us who want to be sure not only that the holiday will happen but also that the plane will turn up and not be cancelled through lack of interest.
These are the companies that Teesside and such airports should be throwing everything that they have got to get them to move into their airport.
Free landing fees , free car parking , assistance with advertising , free parking for aircraft out of season , free happy meals at McDonalds for all staff , in fact anything that it takes to get them in. Once they are in then you can start influencing times and destinations slowly and with the minimum of fuss and slowly build up the market with them as a partner.
At the moment it would appear that Peel have no intention to do this type of thing and are willing to keep bailing out the airport until conditions improve and either airlines come knocking at their door or the housing market recovers and the site is closed down and a new town is built there.
With Peel's track record on names they will probably cock up the naming process for the new town and call it Lower Durham or something equally ridiculous.
With the demographics of the area served by airports such as Teesside and Humberside the only possible growth market is holiday flights to tried and tested destinations.
Everyone still wants to go on holiday and the sea sun and sand resorts in the Med and Canaries are where the mass market still wants to travel.
Low cost operators and niche holiday companies are regarded with suspicion by the man in the street after the recent debacles in the holiday industry and the hype over companies in every area being overextended and liable to fail at any moment.
Tui group and Thomas Cook group are fanning the flames by briefing that other companies are on the brink of disaster but they are large well run profitable companies with a good track record over many years.THEY ARE ALSO ATOL BONDED COMPANIES. This is always in capital letters nowadays on all of their literature. This reassures those of us who want to be sure not only that the holiday will happen but also that the plane will turn up and not be cancelled through lack of interest.
These are the companies that Teesside and such airports should be throwing everything that they have got to get them to move into their airport.
Free landing fees , free car parking , assistance with advertising , free parking for aircraft out of season , free happy meals at McDonalds for all staff , in fact anything that it takes to get them in. Once they are in then you can start influencing times and destinations slowly and with the minimum of fuss and slowly build up the market with them as a partner.
At the moment it would appear that Peel have no intention to do this type of thing and are willing to keep bailing out the airport until conditions improve and either airlines come knocking at their door or the housing market recovers and the site is closed down and a new town is built there.
With Peel's track record on names they will probably cock up the naming process for the new town and call it Lower Durham or something equally ridiculous.
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Paarmo you summarise a number of valid points, perhaps you should address your concerns to "DTVAirport marketing and communications manager, Emma Ormerod " who in occupying such a position in any normal & well run business would be more than capable of allaying your concerns. It appears in retrospect though that these have been given little thought and even less action!
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From this evening's Teesside Evening Gazette
Middlesbrough MP Sir Stuart Bell said the news that the Heathrow service was being axed was a major disappointment for Teesside but hoped there would be sufficient traffic from holiday flights and other services to take up the slack
Finger on the pulse or what?
Middlesbrough MP Sir Stuart Bell said the news that the Heathrow service was being axed was a major disappointment for Teesside but hoped there would be sufficient traffic from holiday flights and other services to take up the slack
Finger on the pulse or what?
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Travelled on the 331 yesterday and back on 338 today, both full, even though the times are poor.
There are valid points about trains, but it depends where you want to be. I sometimes work near Slough and used to have to be there for 9.30 meetings which lasted til 3.30, giving time to get to the airport for the 338. Now you arrive at 10 and leave at 15.35, not enough time for most meetings that we have, which is why I went yesterday.
When I work in London, I use trains, costs are similar to flights as we need flexibility, main advantage is space to work, but lack of security inspections and taking shoes off is another....
Worried that if the management is this bad, will KLM benefit or will they leave as well, now that would be a disaster for the region, and our company as well.
There are valid points about trains, but it depends where you want to be. I sometimes work near Slough and used to have to be there for 9.30 meetings which lasted til 3.30, giving time to get to the airport for the 338. Now you arrive at 10 and leave at 15.35, not enough time for most meetings that we have, which is why I went yesterday.
When I work in London, I use trains, costs are similar to flights as we need flexibility, main advantage is space to work, but lack of security inspections and taking shoes off is another....
Worried that if the management is this bad, will KLM benefit or will they leave as well, now that would be a disaster for the region, and our company as well.
Finger on the pulse or what?
I think resuscitation might be needed unless Peel has already written out a DNR form.
I see KLM has reduced the size of the aircraft this week.
I think resuscitation might be needed unless Peel has already written out a DNR form.
I see KLM has reduced the size of the aircraft this week.
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Worried that if the management is this bad, will KLM benefit or will they leave as well, now that would be a disaster for the region,
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I thought Peel's route development activity was controlled centrally, with one function covering all 3 airports. Across their portfolio they have a pretty impressive track record at attracting new airlines (RYR, EZY, TOM, WIZZ, BMI, GSM, KLM). The fact many of these have come to MME and then walked, says more about MME than it does about Peel's ability to attract new business.
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Going loco,
get your facts right before posting.
Of the airlines you mentioned, KLM and BMI have flown from MME for decades. RYR and TOM (or it's predecessors) were in MME before Peel. WIZZ only operated for 2 years max, and EZY have never flown from MME.
get your facts right before posting.
Of the airlines you mentioned, KLM and BMI have flown from MME for decades. RYR and TOM (or it's predecessors) were in MME before Peel. WIZZ only operated for 2 years max, and EZY have never flown from MME.
Bol Zup - I thought that Peel also own Liverpool and Doncaster airports. Reading loco's post, it seems to refer to Peel's ability to attract airlines to any 1 of the 3 airports they own, rather than just MME
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Whether they never came or indeed came and went is academic, they are not there now.
The whole head in the sand "we've got a bigger catchment area than you" or "its great because its quick to get through" or any other tin pot reason is shambolic.
As SLF with high disposable income to spend on leisure and a large corporate travel budget I see nothing to entice me to head to DTV for either purpose and spend my loot.
It's about time some people woke up to the harsh reality of life and accept it will never compete and beat NCL in the North East, it might give LBA a run in some areas and everyone comes second to MAN.
Given the economy, the dwindling offers and routes available, is this airport truly viable long term without some major change of direction or is it going to be the next place I can go to visit an unattractive business park on a former airfield site?
I shall now don my tin hat, take to the slit trenches and await incoming abuse grenades. Standby.
The whole head in the sand "we've got a bigger catchment area than you" or "its great because its quick to get through" or any other tin pot reason is shambolic.
As SLF with high disposable income to spend on leisure and a large corporate travel budget I see nothing to entice me to head to DTV for either purpose and spend my loot.
It's about time some people woke up to the harsh reality of life and accept it will never compete and beat NCL in the North East, it might give LBA a run in some areas and everyone comes second to MAN.
Given the economy, the dwindling offers and routes available, is this airport truly viable long term without some major change of direction or is it going to be the next place I can go to visit an unattractive business park on a former airfield site?
I shall now don my tin hat, take to the slit trenches and await incoming abuse grenades. Standby.
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Andrew Charlton is an ignorant Geordie
He is of course ignorant of the fact that Teesside Airport will not be a business park but a new town in line with Government proposals to build 2 million affordable houses in the next 10yrs.
Two chances of that....Fat and No.
Sorry if you're not a Geordie AC but the headline looked better that way.
Two chances of that....Fat and No.
Sorry if you're not a Geordie AC but the headline looked better that way.
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I don't mind crticism for my views but a personal remark like that is out of order, ........normally. Whether its a business park, housing estate or Tesco, simply pose the question about how long can it be sustained as is? No answers from anyone?
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You would never make a sub editor at the Sun Andrew,
Headlines do not always appear to say what they seem. Read the text it is not a personal attack on you at all,but a summary of Government policy and possibly a way of Peel cashing in on their holding.
Headlines do not always appear to say what they seem. Read the text it is not a personal attack on you at all,but a summary of Government policy and possibly a way of Peel cashing in on their holding.
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No answers from anyone?
Conjecture as to the eventual fate of DTV has been the subject of much banter on this thread for years, your latest posts have to be honest been rather banal and added zero & really I'm struggling to identify their purpose, and as such you must expect criticism.
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Weird Advert of The Year ...
The 'Manchester Evening News' [24-02-2009] carried a full-page "advertising feature" [page 20] promoting tourism to Durham. The main article, entitled "Why Durham city is the northern star", covers everything one would expect (castle, cathedral, hotels etc and glowing quotes from the wonderfully named Ms. Sensicle of County Durham Tourism Partnership). But the final paragraph deals with the subject of how to reach Durham from Manchester. After describing rail options, the following little gem appears:
"BMI Baby operates regular flights from Manchester to Durham Tees Valley Airport, for timetables and flights see [BMI Baby website]."
I have to say I'm left quite speechless! But a big thankyou to visitcountydurham.com for the funniest piece I have read this year. Top research! And an airline so popular with the Durham hierarchy as well ...
"BMI Baby operates regular flights from Manchester to Durham Tees Valley Airport, for timetables and flights see [BMI Baby website]."
I have to say I'm left quite speechless! But a big thankyou to visitcountydurham.com for the funniest piece I have read this year. Top research! And an airline so popular with the Durham hierarchy as well ...
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Skyman,
Your remarks are indeed interesting.
I note from your latest posts you seem to have posted, er wait for it, YOUR opinion and then waffled on about YOUR view.
I have no beef with anyone criticising my view, just being called an "ignorant geordie", as infact I am neither.
I note a number of people constantly looking for some form of guiding light at the end of the DTV tunnel and indeed I see you have even critcised and remarked on them impressing your own view.
I posed the question how long can it be sustained and infact nobody has commented on that. Perhaps you have a view?
Happy to be knocked down for being wrong, not for just expressing a view on a rumour network. Bit rich.
Your remarks are indeed interesting.
I note from your latest posts you seem to have posted, er wait for it, YOUR opinion and then waffled on about YOUR view.
I have no beef with anyone criticising my view, just being called an "ignorant geordie", as infact I am neither.
I note a number of people constantly looking for some form of guiding light at the end of the DTV tunnel and indeed I see you have even critcised and remarked on them impressing your own view.
I posed the question how long can it be sustained and infact nobody has commented on that. Perhaps you have a view?
Happy to be knocked down for being wrong, not for just expressing a view on a rumour network. Bit rich.
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Andrew
The word ignorant in the headline was in fact used in a descripitive sense to draw you in. (Please read the Sun and the sub editor's headlines)
The actual sense in the post was the adjective.
Geordie could in fact be used in either sense in the headline or the post.
Hope this explains it.
The word ignorant in the headline was in fact used in a descripitive sense to draw you in. (Please read the Sun and the sub editor's headlines)
The actual sense in the post was the adjective.
Geordie could in fact be used in either sense in the headline or the post.
Hope this explains it.
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