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Right, so the airline's were offering flights to the wrong destinations? Just what type of places do people like you want to fly to? I'm sure there'll be a rush to operate these flights for your convenience. Who wants to cater for the mass market (that isn't apparently that massive) when niche destinations are the way to go? Unbelievable.
I reckon the best would be if FR could pick up some of the summer routes such as PMI to add to GRO and ALC... Are there any charter flights left at DTV now? I think it should be proof that the smaller airlines cannot afford to hang onto one operator for such routes.
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Could someone pease remind ATC and those noisy falcon jet jockeys, that turning right directly after take off from RW23 is not in keeping with the Noise Abatement procedures to "avoid overflying Middleton St George wherever practicable". Particularly Tasman 1 and 2 this afternoon.. it will only lead to tears 
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@ pug
Charter destinations featured for the coming summer, departing from MME are only :
Bodrum
Bourgas
Dalaman
Palma
Reus
Thomson do also Alicante during the winter season, but axed Mahon for this summer.
It's pretty disappointing, I guess one of the worst summers for DTV till now.
Charter destinations featured for the coming summer, departing from MME are only :
Bodrum
Bourgas
Dalaman
Palma
Reus
Thomson do also Alicante during the winter season, but axed Mahon for this summer.
It's pretty disappointing, I guess one of the worst summers for DTV till now.
Im surprised not to see Larnaca and Antalya on there also... What routes did GSM operate? Sounds to me pretty similar to HUY minus the typical med destinations.
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Just reading the press release on the DTVA site regarding Ryanair announcing their summer programme, I see Dublin stays 4x weekly, doesn't that mean 1 less weekly flight than last summer?
I can't be bothered to do the maths, but surely there must be less seats per week on the route now than when it was successfully operated daily with a B732?
I can't be bothered to do the maths, but surely there must be less seats per week on the route now than when it was successfully operated daily with a B732?
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"..... airport management remain confident that, with a catchment area of 2.7 million people within an hour’s drive of the airport, Durham Tees Valley’s long-term development prospects remain bright.”
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Could someone pease remind ATC and those noisy falcon jet jockeys, that turning right directly after take off from RW23 is not in keeping with the Noise Abatement procedures to "avoid overflying Middleton St George wherever practicable". Particularly Tasman 1 and 2 this afternoon.. it will only lead to tears
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I would happily pay an extra hundred quid each for the same flights from MME, worth it for less hassle an hour each way less travel, no parking to pay for as we can be dropped off.
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Just caught the back end of a local news item but it sounded as if Ryanair were increasing the frequency of their ALC flights to 6 per week and adding another flight to another destination.
I know that FR don't like flying over water but could it have been TFS?
I know that FR don't like flying over water but could it have been TFS?
Lifted from the local rag. I didn't realise the routes had been cancelled! Thought it was that they were just not operating for a couple of months.
Joy at return of air routes to Durham Tees Valley
Feb 4 2009 by Karen Faughey, Evening Gazette
BUDGET airline Ryanair has re-introduced two destinations to its Teesside flights programme - just 24 hours after a competitor pulled out of the area.
Ryanair will operate six flights a week to the Spanish destinations of Alicante and Barcelona Girona as part of its new summer schedule at Durham Tees Valley airport.
The news comes just hours after Flyglobespan announced it was pulling out of Durham Tees Valley due to “challenging economic conditions”.
Joy at return of air routes to Durham Tees Valley
Feb 4 2009 by Karen Faughey, Evening Gazette
BUDGET airline Ryanair has re-introduced two destinations to its Teesside flights programme - just 24 hours after a competitor pulled out of the area.
Ryanair will operate six flights a week to the Spanish destinations of Alicante and Barcelona Girona as part of its new summer schedule at Durham Tees Valley airport.
The news comes just hours after Flyglobespan announced it was pulling out of Durham Tees Valley due to “challenging economic conditions”.
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Let’s be honest, globespan were expensive and couldn’t compete against what’s already in abundance in the north east – low cost airlines serving Alicante, Malaga….offering higher frequencies/more flexibility, that’s why they failed to attract more of the “50% that live closer to newcastle”.
Factor in that jobs being pulled left, right and centre from many of the countries most deprived areas so many of teesside’s “2.5 million catchment” can’t afford to fly and you have another reason why globespan pulled out, why ryanair aren’t doing 5 a week on dublin and why alicante and barcelona were dropped in the winter. The value of the pound has nosedived within the last year so if you’re a european carrier, where’s the sense in sending passengers to a country that’s becoming more expensive (hmm…wizz?). If you’re not getting passengers through the doors, how do you persuade an airline to stay? Look at the presence jet2 have in teesside – their slogan is pretty much on the side of every Arriva bus going, where was globespan and why weren’t they dipping their hands in their pockets to promote their “low fares”. Teesside was an experiment which didn’t work for the above reasons – let’s not forget gobespan were quick to pull our aircraft to cover their scottish bases when needed.
I fear it’s going to get worse for our little airport before it gets better and for all the money Peel have invested to date, whatever the sum is, what do we have to show for it? New lights and a new shell dumped on an old terminal with the promise of business parks etc. For our sake Peel, the local passengers, go throw some money at an airline and persuade them to take a punt next summer – pay them to fly from here and live of the car park sales! The market will grow which makes the airline grow which is when you stop paying them and they start paying you!
Factor in that jobs being pulled left, right and centre from many of the countries most deprived areas so many of teesside’s “2.5 million catchment” can’t afford to fly and you have another reason why globespan pulled out, why ryanair aren’t doing 5 a week on dublin and why alicante and barcelona were dropped in the winter. The value of the pound has nosedived within the last year so if you’re a european carrier, where’s the sense in sending passengers to a country that’s becoming more expensive (hmm…wizz?). If you’re not getting passengers through the doors, how do you persuade an airline to stay? Look at the presence jet2 have in teesside – their slogan is pretty much on the side of every Arriva bus going, where was globespan and why weren’t they dipping their hands in their pockets to promote their “low fares”. Teesside was an experiment which didn’t work for the above reasons – let’s not forget gobespan were quick to pull our aircraft to cover their scottish bases when needed.
I fear it’s going to get worse for our little airport before it gets better and for all the money Peel have invested to date, whatever the sum is, what do we have to show for it? New lights and a new shell dumped on an old terminal with the promise of business parks etc. For our sake Peel, the local passengers, go throw some money at an airline and persuade them to take a punt next summer – pay them to fly from here and live of the car park sales! The market will grow which makes the airline grow which is when you stop paying them and they start paying you!
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Unfortunately I don't think anyone who works at Teesside from the Peel Management system want passengers. They dirty the Terminal , clog up security channels by turning up on time and complain about their horrendous treatment from security and catering staff. Customers are a pain , ask any retailer.
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tubtruck I would happily pay an extra hundred quid each for the same flights from MME, worth it for less hassle an hour each way less travel, no parking to pay for as we can be dropped off.
Everyone in the country would like to drive a couple of miles or so to their local airport & be dropped off, in reality I suspect that the average journey time of the majority to their departure airport is an hour plus !
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If you don't like falcons move house! The planes were there before any of the Middleton NIMBYs.
It being green saving jet fuel!
It being green saving jet fuel!
If I was a NIMBY then I would file a noise complaint with the council instead of having a gentle prod on this rather select forum. I've no doubt that NIMBYs do exist in MSG which is why the noise abatement procedure is there in the first place and all the time the airport sticks to its procedures, all well and good. I'm sure you will agree that the last thing a struggling airport needs is noise complaints, so I am merely pointing out that cutting corners to save the MOD a few quid on their fuel bill could be a risk in terms of increased official complaints. If it wasn't so obvious (quieter aircraft) you could probably get away with it.
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SimJock,
firstly I'd like to respond to your comment regarding ATC responsibility regarding "low flying" over MSG.
ATC clearances are solely made with regard to separation, they do not take into account noise restrictions, that is the pilot's responsibility. Only in extreme cases of unforeseen erosion of separation/safety would ATC clear 23 deps for an "early right".
Secondly, "the village" is no longer that. With the new builds MSG extents to Darlington. How far do you propose aircraft go before turning on track?
Yes I concur you are obviously no NIMBY and pilots shouldn't fly in a provocative manner. However this pandering to local sensibilities has gone too far, in my opinion. The airport is fighting for it's life.
My employer requires me to work nights. Should I complain when my neighbours mow the lawn, carry out DIY etc when I'm trying to sleep? No, it is my choice of occupation and I've got to put up with it just as people who live next to airports should accept the same.
firstly I'd like to respond to your comment regarding ATC responsibility regarding "low flying" over MSG.
ATC clearances are solely made with regard to separation, they do not take into account noise restrictions, that is the pilot's responsibility. Only in extreme cases of unforeseen erosion of separation/safety would ATC clear 23 deps for an "early right".
Secondly, "the village" is no longer that. With the new builds MSG extents to Darlington. How far do you propose aircraft go before turning on track?
Yes I concur you are obviously no NIMBY and pilots shouldn't fly in a provocative manner. However this pandering to local sensibilities has gone too far, in my opinion. The airport is fighting for it's life.
My employer requires me to work nights. Should I complain when my neighbours mow the lawn, carry out DIY etc when I'm trying to sleep? No, it is my choice of occupation and I've got to put up with it just as people who live next to airports should accept the same.
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Reminds me of a Who gig I went to back in the seventies.Some punters in the front row had their hands over their ears and Pete Townsend screamed over the PA "why dont you all f*** off"
I doubt whether noise complaints will bother anyone at the airport very much today, excluding noisy spam cans, and FRA, there are only 8 departures.
I've never understood why people who don't like aeroplanes moved to Middleton St George anyway.
I doubt whether noise complaints will bother anyone at the airport very much today, excluding noisy spam cans, and FRA, there are only 8 departures.
I've never understood why people who don't like aeroplanes moved to Middleton St George anyway.
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Thanks for your informative reply and the ATC view, lets be clear though that my observation is of 'noisy flying' and not 'low flying', these are not necessarily the same thing but are of course related to some degree.
I sympathise with anyone trying to sleep after a night shift and have done this myself many times. Any enviromental department will tell you that there is little they can do about 'normal' domestic noise (lawn mowing, DIY, loud music) during daylight hours, but whether we like it or not, complaints about noisy aircraft always seem to be received sympathetically and get investigated which is why we should not be complacent.
The falcon is a noisy aircraft and should be operated accordingly. In the climb out it is quite capable of activating vehicle and residential building alarm systems. In the worst case, these alarms will continue sounding until such time as the owner returns, thus that expeditious or 'spirited' departure becomes more than just a passing nuisance. By comparison, modern turbofan aircraft departing RW23 are sometimes barely audible from MSG.
Thanks for asking 
I can't give exact figures but I suggest that for northerly departures a climb straight ahead to approx 1.6dme (or before Hurworth) before turning would put the traffic 'in the groove' between MSG and Darlington outskirts over what is largely industrial and the remaining arable land.
From a pilots view we don't help ourselves sometimes, I have often seen in the AIP text instructions to "avoid overflying xyz", clearly put in to satisfy local council, but then when you look at the associated charts xy and z are not even marked, so unless you are familiar with the area how do you know where not to fly ? Other countries use shaded or ringed areas on their charts to denote noise sensitive areas which in my opinion is much more 'pilot friendly'.
I've no wish to prolong the debate, as having made the point I am confident/hopeful that somebody has already taken positive action.
Thanks for your informative reply and the ATC view, lets be clear though that my observation is of 'noisy flying' and not 'low flying', these are not necessarily the same thing but are of course related to some degree.
I sympathise with anyone trying to sleep after a night shift and have done this myself many times. Any enviromental department will tell you that there is little they can do about 'normal' domestic noise (lawn mowing, DIY, loud music) during daylight hours, but whether we like it or not, complaints about noisy aircraft always seem to be received sympathetically and get investigated which is why we should not be complacent.
The falcon is a noisy aircraft and should be operated accordingly. In the climb out it is quite capable of activating vehicle and residential building alarm systems. In the worst case, these alarms will continue sounding until such time as the owner returns, thus that expeditious or 'spirited' departure becomes more than just a passing nuisance. By comparison, modern turbofan aircraft departing RW23 are sometimes barely audible from MSG.
How far do you propose aircraft go before turning on track?
I can't give exact figures but I suggest that for northerly departures a climb straight ahead to approx 1.6dme (or before Hurworth) before turning would put the traffic 'in the groove' between MSG and Darlington outskirts over what is largely industrial and the remaining arable land. From a pilots view we don't help ourselves sometimes, I have often seen in the AIP text instructions to "avoid overflying xyz", clearly put in to satisfy local council, but then when you look at the associated charts xy and z are not even marked, so unless you are familiar with the area how do you know where not to fly ? Other countries use shaded or ringed areas on their charts to denote noise sensitive areas which in my opinion is much more 'pilot friendly'.
I've no wish to prolong the debate, as having made the point I am confident/hopeful that somebody has already taken positive action.