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Sorry, I must make my self clearer in future. I was referring to the primary radar as the current system which is, as a matter of fact, U/S (again.)
Diggers were working on the new terminal site today, with completion expected to be next Autumn. Hopefully the new terminal will have some use next year, as the current situation with Aer Arann is uncertain.
[EDIT 18:00: The radar is working again now.]
Diggers were working on the new terminal site today, with completion expected to be next Autumn. Hopefully the new terminal will have some use next year, as the current situation with Aer Arann is uncertain.
[EDIT 18:00: The radar is working again now.]
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More on noise
Expressflight,
Thanks for your comments re noise testing. Clearly you have a particular interest in these things.
I've read that the noise from an ATR72 or A319 on approach at around 650 feet up, but as heard 500 feet or so away from the true overhead position would be roughly equivalent to a bus at around 30 feet away in terms of dbSEL - does this sound about right? I imagine actually that the turboprop would be a bit noisier.
Thanks for your comments re noise testing. Clearly you have a particular interest in these things.
I've read that the noise from an ATR72 or A319 on approach at around 650 feet up, but as heard 500 feet or so away from the true overhead position would be roughly equivalent to a bus at around 30 feet away in terms of dbSEL - does this sound about right? I imagine actually that the turboprop would be a bit noisier.
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From the information you gave us earlier you should have already experienced ATR's or A319's at Southend. Also the DASH 8s Flybe use each summer for their Jersey rotation?
The Aircraft size using Southend will not be any different from now. The main difference is they will be carrying passengers and small freight. The frequency of commercial aircraft will be more, but even IF/when it achieves its goals of 2m passengers by 2020. Thats still only 10% of the passengers moved by Stansted in 2009 and a third of the movements.
From the information you gave us earlier you should have already experienced ATR's or A319's at Southend. Also the DASH 8s Flybe use each summer for their Jersey rotation?
The Aircraft size using Southend will not be any different from now. The main difference is they will be carrying passengers and small freight. The frequency of commercial aircraft will be more, but even IF/when it achieves its goals of 2m passengers by 2020. Thats still only 10% of the passengers moved by Stansted in 2009 and a third of the movements.
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I couldn't really say how the noise of a bus 30ft away compares with the A319 or ATR72 I'm afraid. The reason I carried out my 'experiment' on Jersey was simply because I couldn't believe the noise horror stories being put out by the SEN objectors and my own observations proved them to be totally false.
As far as the ATR72 sounding noisier than the A319 is concerned, I expect it will actually sound slightly quieter. The ATR72-200 (which Aer Arann will be basing at SEN) is certificated as being 5.70dBA quieter on approach than is the ATR42-300 I monitored at JER - which illustrates the point that the more modern the aircraft the quieter it is likely to be.
Noise is also a subjective matter depending on the pitch and frequency of the noise - personally I found the 'sound' of the A319 more pleasant than that of the ATR42-300 but I'm sure that's a personal thing. Do keep an eye open for the A319 at SEN because at the moment Easyjet aircraft are visiting for resprays - one landed at 07:30 yesterday but not from your direction I believe. I'm sure if you 'phoned the airport after any particular aircraft has passed over you on approach they would tell you exactly what it was. That way you can judge for yourself.
I couldn't really say how the noise of a bus 30ft away compares with the A319 or ATR72 I'm afraid. The reason I carried out my 'experiment' on Jersey was simply because I couldn't believe the noise horror stories being put out by the SEN objectors and my own observations proved them to be totally false.
As far as the ATR72 sounding noisier than the A319 is concerned, I expect it will actually sound slightly quieter. The ATR72-200 (which Aer Arann will be basing at SEN) is certificated as being 5.70dBA quieter on approach than is the ATR42-300 I monitored at JER - which illustrates the point that the more modern the aircraft the quieter it is likely to be.
Noise is also a subjective matter depending on the pitch and frequency of the noise - personally I found the 'sound' of the A319 more pleasant than that of the ATR42-300 but I'm sure that's a personal thing. Do keep an eye open for the A319 at SEN because at the moment Easyjet aircraft are visiting for resprays - one landed at 07:30 yesterday but not from your direction I believe. I'm sure if you 'phoned the airport after any particular aircraft has passed over you on approach they would tell you exactly what it was. That way you can judge for yourself.
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It's great to see that the conversation over the last year has turned from its never going to happen to constructive q's about glide slopes and a/c types. about time.. I have lived under the flight path for the last 30 years and
it doesn't bother me in the slightest although I do have to agree with someone's earlier comment about the EP helicopter on a Friday night! Its like their weekly outing over our houses has become so regular you can set your watch by it.
Anyway I was wondering and Express Flight I suspect you may know the answer to this but is SEN keeping its radar service? I saw it mentioned they've ordered a SSR but I would have thought SEN would have gone the same way as STN and farmed it's radar service out to NATS at Swanwick therefore reducing head count etc It would be good to know they've kept it.
it doesn't bother me in the slightest although I do have to agree with someone's earlier comment about the EP helicopter on a Friday night! Its like their weekly outing over our houses has become so regular you can set your watch by it.
Anyway I was wondering and Express Flight I suspect you may know the answer to this but is SEN keeping its radar service? I saw it mentioned they've ordered a SSR but I would have thought SEN would have gone the same way as STN and farmed it's radar service out to NATS at Swanwick therefore reducing head count etc It would be good to know they've kept it.
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I would have thought SEN would have gone the same way as STN and farmed it's radar service out to NATS at Swanwick
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As far as I'm aware it will be a new radar head at SEN but whether the SSR data will come from elsewhere I don't know as I'm not privvy to their plans in that respect and it's not my area of expertise either I'm afraid.
I haven't heard anything about a CTR being established for SEN but I would have thought that may be necessary sooner rather than later.
The new terminal ground works are coming along well and I believe the piling for the steelwork begins next week.
I haven't heard anything about a CTR being established for SEN but I would have thought that may be necessary sooner rather than later.
The new terminal ground works are coming along well and I believe the piling for the steelwork begins next week.
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I haven't heard anything about a CTR being established for SEN but I would have thought that may be necessary sooner rather than later
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Piling did begin today, and work on the new terminal appears to be progressing well.
Any more news on the new station? It's meant to open in les than two weeks (12th December) but there has yet to be an anouncement of any sort. The station still isn't completely finished.
Any more news on the new station? It's meant to open in les than two weeks (12th December) but there has yet to be an anouncement of any sort. The station still isn't completely finished.
The station won't be opening for a couple of months yet, despite being in the winter train timetable, as it would receive relatively little use.
I wouldn't be surprised if it opened at the beginning of March, after the existing runway improvement works are completed, in time for the commencement of RE's initial services.
I wouldn't be surprised if it opened at the beginning of March, after the existing runway improvement works are completed, in time for the commencement of RE's initial services.
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Assuming RE GWY SEN ever starts. LTN are really f off with RE and would love to get someone else in on the traditional west of Ireland to London routing. That would all the plans.
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That would all the plans
Thank God there are competent aviation analysts out there to see these pitfalls.
Hello HZ123, good to have you back!
No, they won't need to leave seats empty on the routes they will be looking at as I understand it, the extended runway being A319 compatible. Look at the performance charts for that aircraft.
No, they won't need to leave seats empty on the routes they will be looking at as I understand it, the extended runway being A319 compatible. Look at the performance charts for that aircraft.