Thomas Cook
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Would you forever get your crystal ball and shove it where you cant see it for goodness sake.
Have you any idea of the plans for next year or have you nothing better to go on than guesswork?
Inane speculation may be what you get off on but some minor inclusion of fact would be nice for a change.
Have you any idea of the plans for next year or have you nothing better to go on than guesswork?
Inane speculation may be what you get off on but some minor inclusion of fact would be nice for a change.
Thomas Cook shifts focus to exclusive holidays - Telegraph
Telegraph reporting that TC are to move upmarket.....
Telegraph reporting that TC are to move upmarket.....
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I dont need a crystal ball torque2, I have a far more reliable source and take it from me the wide bodies are going very soon.
IMO its a good move and should help to drastically cut costs and get the company on a far firmer footing, subbing the work out makes good sense
IMO its a good move and should help to drastically cut costs and get the company on a far firmer footing, subbing the work out makes good sense
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If they are going more upmarket I would have thought the A330's would be needed, unless they plan upmarket short/medium haul holidays which I would say is risky, I myself would rather fly lowco to my destination and stay in better hotels, I would have thought staying away from the destinations that EZY and FR ect fly to would be a safer move.
I would have kept my long haul A/C and offered flights and holidays to LAS, YYZ, MCO, SFO, NAS and maybe KUL ...
Dont attack me ! just my thoughts, thats all...
But what ever they do GOOD LUCK to all Staff
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I would have kept my long haul A/C and offered flights and holidays to LAS, YYZ, MCO, SFO, NAS and maybe KUL ...
Dont attack me ! just my thoughts, thats all...
But what ever they do GOOD LUCK to all Staff
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Oh leave the topspotter alone, I too get very reliable information from my mains sockets, just don't believe a word from anything on the top shelf in the fridge, they lie!
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It makes no difference.......
The charter market is dying quickly, fact. It is ceasing to be, no more, it is an ex business. It would not go Voom if you put 40,000 volts through it.
Never mind the fact the economically Europe is facing its biggest crisis since 1931.
TCX will move around the deck chairs on the Titanic until the inevitable happends. Either that or TUI buy it for pepper corn.
The charter market is dying quickly, fact. It is ceasing to be, no more, it is an ex business. It would not go Voom if you put 40,000 volts through it.
Never mind the fact the economically Europe is facing its biggest crisis since 1931.
TCX will move around the deck chairs on the Titanic until the inevitable happends. Either that or TUI buy it for pepper corn.
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Cannot see Tui buying it, well competition grounds wouldn't allow it for one, and besides why buy a troubled competitior, with huge debt, if or when the banks(
) pull plug, you would have the monopoly to yourself any how, Problem with is they have bought too much up , and hats off to thomson and first choice have adapted far better to things than Thomas Cook have, as has been previously said, the majority of the med has now been hoovered up the loco's like it or not ,and the travel republics of the internet world, can't quite see how offering more expensive luxury short/med haul is going to help them but hopefully it will. As mentioned in the newspaper report , why buy up the Co-op's travel shop's when the internet is the way to go
) pull plug, you would have the monopoly to yourself any how, Problem with is they have bought too much up , and hats off to thomson and first choice have adapted far better to things than Thomas Cook have, as has been previously said, the majority of the med has now been hoovered up the loco's like it or not ,and the travel republics of the internet world, can't quite see how offering more expensive luxury short/med haul is going to help them but hopefully it will. As mentioned in the newspaper report , why buy up the Co-op's travel shop's when the internet is the way to go
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TUI have been more savvy with their purchases, they have gone down the line of specialist businesses and niche companies for organic growth. However i do think that their bucket and spade package holidays will not be very profitable either. TC Group under the muppet (and I'm being kind) Manny that was obsesed with being the largest and was blinkered in thinking the high street retail network in the UK was what most customers wanted.
One of the biggest problems is the Tour operator, they try and push products or destinations that as staff we know clients are not really looking for. I really do think that Manny going and the recent issues with the overdraft etc are going to be a good thing as TC need's to change and adapt to what the Market wants.
I believe that in the UK Market TC needs to go upmarket, dramatically reduce the charter tour operator. I even think TCX may be switched to a scheduled airline like the set up for Condor in Germany or along the lines of what ZB is changing it's self into.
One of the biggest problems is the Tour operator, they try and push products or destinations that as staff we know clients are not really looking for. I really do think that Manny going and the recent issues with the overdraft etc are going to be a good thing as TC need's to change and adapt to what the Market wants.
I believe that in the UK Market TC needs to go upmarket, dramatically reduce the charter tour operator. I even think TCX may be switched to a scheduled airline like the set up for Condor in Germany or along the lines of what ZB is changing it's self into.
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From my understanding the 3 x 76's will be around for many many many years yet.... (I'm making the assumputiong TC will be around of course!) In fact I suspect despite the desire to be all Airbus they'll still be here a long time after the 75's have been rolled over, as apparently it is still going ahead. The 76's are cheap(ish) machines and money has only just been spent on fitting the winglets with cabin refits in the pipeline. One is in germany on an 18 mth contract that's just kicked off for starters. In terms of longhaul they only do sparadic flights during the summer and then some of the winter programme (mainly goa this year), otherwise they're off on medium haul adventures - banjul, sharm and the like - the lions share of the carribean and americas goes on the 330's. As I understand it they're going to be keeping sfb and cun so i think it's reasonable expect at least a couple of the 330's to stay. The 4 332's are in LDL (downstairs toilets) config, although it works for TC it's hard to see who else would want these aircraft, it's not something that would fit comfortably into another fleet or that could be altered without great cost. I'm sure the P&O flights and the contracting will continue supplimenting work too. Don't forget with TC aircraft are often moved in and out of the uk to canada and europe (there's 3 333's in scandi also) so when it looks like something has gone it often hasn't and is still in the group (This summer there's been 2x OY's in the uk). On top of that coinsiding with the exit from the canadian affair work, the 3 'standard' config ex TCX 332's are going off lease this winter with one of those having already gone to transat.
I'm sure there's going to be more shake ups to come but as goldeneye says I can see a good chance of that happing too, Condor seem to have developed a business model that is working very well in the current climate. It will be interesting to see if that is eventually emulated within the UK.
BH
I'm sure there's going to be more shake ups to come but as goldeneye says I can see a good chance of that happing too, Condor seem to have developed a business model that is working very well in the current climate. It will be interesting to see if that is eventually emulated within the UK.
BH
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Ummmmm
The B767's are very old aircraft. They have very high direct operating costs in comparisson with other aircraft now emerging and currently operating, especially Airbus.
As for Condor. Doing ok in Europes one economic bright spot (Germany) is one thing. It's a completly different situation in the UK where the current situation is dire and about to get much worse.
The B767's are very old aircraft. They have very high direct operating costs in comparisson with other aircraft now emerging and currently operating, especially Airbus.
As for Condor. Doing ok in Europes one economic bright spot (Germany) is one thing. It's a completly different situation in the UK where the current situation is dire and about to get much worse.