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Have to admit I kind of agree with CentreFix on this one. Whilst it is a hugely positive step that EK will run the NCL-DXB service, I think once daily with that amount of seats to fill is optimistic, especially when starting in September.
I know someone will have done the sums (probably the same people that did it for the JFK service) and that I am sure some money will be being spent by our RDF or whatever they're called now but I have to admit I am a little pessimistic, even with the potential O&D traffic at DXB to Asia, Middle East and Australias.
Will EK be able to compete on price with other established carriers. For example, BA in Sept currently brings up return fares from NCL-DXB return for around £350, with the connection in LHR. Am not sure EK's fares will match this and when all is said and done, economy pax will go for the cheapest option!
I think there is a lot to loose here. If this route doesn't work out because of a lack of pax numbers I think NCL will not achieve many of it's long haul aspirations for many years after the AA debacle!
I hope I am proved wrong!
I know someone will have done the sums (probably the same people that did it for the JFK service) and that I am sure some money will be being spent by our RDF or whatever they're called now but I have to admit I am a little pessimistic, even with the potential O&D traffic at DXB to Asia, Middle East and Australias.
Will EK be able to compete on price with other established carriers. For example, BA in Sept currently brings up return fares from NCL-DXB return for around £350, with the connection in LHR. Am not sure EK's fares will match this and when all is said and done, economy pax will go for the cheapest option!
I think there is a lot to loose here. If this route doesn't work out because of a lack of pax numbers I think NCL will not achieve many of it's long haul aspirations for many years after the AA debacle!
I hope I am proved wrong!
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Thats what I like to see folks putting the route down and before its even announced.
On the subject of the New York debacle the route was pulled not because the seats were not selling but AA miscalculated and were selling at a loss due to a rise in fuel prices.
Come on folks lets be a bit more positive here, i can't believe that for years folks have complained about the lack of a long haul route out of ncle and when we get one folks still complain.
Thats what I like to see folks putting the route down and before its even announced.
On the subject of the New York debacle the route was pulled not because the seats were not selling but AA miscalculated and were selling at a loss due to a rise in fuel prices.
Come on folks lets be a bit more positive here, i can't believe that for years folks have complained about the lack of a long haul route out of ncle and when we get one folks still complain.
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I'm optimistic about EK coming to NCL, The catchment area wont just be our area but it will extend to Edinburgh down to Leeds. Also we won't have to fly to another place to get transferred onto a connecting flight thus making the flight longer.
If people are being pessimistic then what does this say about any further long haul at NCL. I thought you would all be jumping at the fact that EK are taking the first move of all the carriers and coming to NCL.
Who know's? Could we see another long haul take example from EK? - Qatar Airways?, Pakistan Airlines?, Air India?.
Lets have a bit of hope people, because without us all optimistic then there will be no way that this route will suceed.
If people are being pessimistic then what does this say about any further long haul at NCL. I thought you would all be jumping at the fact that EK are taking the first move of all the carriers and coming to NCL.
Who know's? Could we see another long haul take example from EK? - Qatar Airways?, Pakistan Airlines?, Air India?.
Lets have a bit of hope people, because without us all optimistic then there will be no way that this route will suceed.
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EK is able to fill twice daily flights from DUS and nobody would have expected this five years ago, given DUS lacklustre performance when it comes to longhaul services. I am sure EK will do nicely from NCL, they know how to make secondary markets work.
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I think that EK will make a good job of this.
I think that dubai may be a more popular place than new york.
Heard that airport had also put up prices once the new york route went on sale resulting in higher airport tax and fuel prices making the route unprofitable.
I do belive if dubai does well then other carriers like PK and AI may also start to look for servcies out of newcastle
I think that dubai may be a more popular place than new york.
Heard that airport had also put up prices once the new york route went on sale resulting in higher airport tax and fuel prices making the route unprofitable.
I do belive if dubai does well then other carriers like PK and AI may also start to look for servcies out of newcastle
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When the flyjet 757 left Newcastle yesterday it went tech on it's way to LPA and diverted to Gatwick, and is still currently at Gatwick I believe. So a Tri-Star from LIS is operating the SSH today.
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EK will mainly feed its DXB hub from NCL with pax and caqrgo and not focus on local DXB traffic. That's the difference if you compare it to the NYC service. AA had to rely to a much greater extent on local traffic and given the limited catchment area of NCL, this was a much greater challenge than a service that will feed a hub that serves the whole of Australasia and parts of Africa and the Middle East.
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AA were actually heavily marketing the JFK route as a gateway to the states and in alot of adverts they ran prior to the route been pulled advertised Newcastle to - and had a huge list of US cities. My family all live in NC in the USA and I had made several bookings myself with AA using JFK as a gateway to get me to Charlotte, North Carolina. I had a few colleagues that had done the same infact alot folks that I know had bookings on cancelled AA flights that were simply using JFK as a transit hub.
I still think NYC is more than viable daily and hopefully if EK make a great success of Dubai then we will have loads of other operators hoping to provide long haul to/from Newcastle.
AA were actually heavily marketing the JFK route as a gateway to the states and in alot of adverts they ran prior to the route been pulled advertised Newcastle to - and had a huge list of US cities. My family all live in NC in the USA and I had made several bookings myself with AA using JFK as a gateway to get me to Charlotte, North Carolina. I had a few colleagues that had done the same infact alot folks that I know had bookings on cancelled AA flights that were simply using JFK as a transit hub.
I still think NYC is more than viable daily and hopefully if EK make a great success of Dubai then we will have loads of other operators hoping to provide long haul to/from Newcastle.
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Dubai as a destination will be popular but I think a sizeable proportion of the passengers on this route will be connecting to onward services.
Virgin would, on a route like that be relying on point to point traffic as they would not have interline arragements at Dubai....?
Having said all that I am delighted to see a new link between Dubai and Newcastle I think there will be a good number of pasengers using the route, but initially a daily service is too much. Perhaps a 4 weekly flight and then in time step it up to Daily. Time will tell.
You might be interested in this story from Sky News this morning. If that comes off I imagine that they will be looking for other departure points in suitable catchment areas. I don't know the north east too well but guess that you have a good-sized Asian community.
Believe the FJE 757 had 2+ hour delay getting pax off the plane when it got back last night due strong winds - anybody know any more?
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Happy new year to you all
Heslop2006 i was thinking the same the other week about virgin but didn't say anything on here as i would be day dreaming again!!!!
I think virgin could make a real go at things here basing one aircraft.
how about this as an idea
orlando x2 weekly
New york x2 weekly
cape town x1 weekly
Shanghai x1 weekly
singapore x1 weekly
A few weeks back in the paper one north east was saying how good the region has become in attracting new business look at NCL airport.
It also stated that north east businesses are now doing a lot of business in the far east (shanghai was noted)
wounder if this was a hint of the next long haul route that they are after?
I belive that talks took place already between virgin and NCL maybe on the new york route. only time will tell but im sure that the door is open for virgin to start flights out of NCL.
Heslop2006 i was thinking the same the other week about virgin but didn't say anything on here as i would be day dreaming again!!!!
I think virgin could make a real go at things here basing one aircraft.
how about this as an idea
orlando x2 weekly
New york x2 weekly
cape town x1 weekly
Shanghai x1 weekly
singapore x1 weekly
A few weeks back in the paper one north east was saying how good the region has become in attracting new business look at NCL airport.
It also stated that north east businesses are now doing a lot of business in the far east (shanghai was noted)
wounder if this was a hint of the next long haul route that they are after?
I belive that talks took place already between virgin and NCL maybe on the new york route. only time will tell but im sure that the door is open for virgin to start flights out of NCL.
It'll be interesting to see how the EK flight does, as I think this will be looked at by many as an indication of the demand for long haul from the North East.
As for VS, apart from MAN-MCO (and I think a few dabbles from GLA?) they've shown as much interest in the regions as BA. Foreign carriers feeding into their hubs (as with the other major UK regional airports) remains the best bet.
As for VS, apart from MAN-MCO (and I think a few dabbles from GLA?) they've shown as much interest in the regions as BA. Foreign carriers feeding into their hubs (as with the other major UK regional airports) remains the best bet.
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look at man and bhx there have carriers from the far east landing in the uk then onwards to USA or canada.
dont think it will be long before ncl adds to that list with man and bhx
AI and PK are the main ones.
noticed that EK serves new york so maybe one day they will carry on from newcastle to new york. i think i said that before on here.
How about this?
Dubai does really well so they add a second flight a day but it comes from dubai and onwards to new york and one comes from new york onwards to dubai.
Im sure that EK would like to take a market share from BA and the US carriers between the Uk and USA!
dont think it will be long before ncl adds to that list with man and bhx
AI and PK are the main ones.
noticed that EK serves new york so maybe one day they will carry on from newcastle to new york. i think i said that before on here.
How about this?
Dubai does really well so they add a second flight a day but it comes from dubai and onwards to new york and one comes from new york onwards to dubai.
Im sure that EK would like to take a market share from BA and the US carriers between the Uk and USA!
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Is this all not getting a bit far fetched? Virgin, flights from NCL to shanghai????
Whilst I hope that NCL gets a portion of long haul services as its good for pax, the region and business but I think reality among discussion is important. Lets also remember that the EK announcement is not yet OFFICIAL and things are liable to change right up until the first flight departs.
I'd say that realistically the only long haul routes NCL has a decent chance at sustaining are primarily leisure destinations and those with decent connections to other destinations, NYC, MCO, Caribbean, Middle East, possibly India? I'd also say that Zoom UK is a possibility, being leisure focused! There is a sizeable Indian population in NCL so maybe AI/PK could work as a through flight, but this kind of longhaul service needs airport infrastructure to cope with it. Immigration, baggage facilities, checkin etc.
Whilst the EK is potentially one of the biggest route announcements of NCL's history, it does not mean that a sudden explosion in long haul activity will occur, sadly!
Is this me being pessimistic???????
Whilst I hope that NCL gets a portion of long haul services as its good for pax, the region and business but I think reality among discussion is important. Lets also remember that the EK announcement is not yet OFFICIAL and things are liable to change right up until the first flight departs.
I'd say that realistically the only long haul routes NCL has a decent chance at sustaining are primarily leisure destinations and those with decent connections to other destinations, NYC, MCO, Caribbean, Middle East, possibly India? I'd also say that Zoom UK is a possibility, being leisure focused! There is a sizeable Indian population in NCL so maybe AI/PK could work as a through flight, but this kind of longhaul service needs airport infrastructure to cope with it. Immigration, baggage facilities, checkin etc.
Whilst the EK is potentially one of the biggest route announcements of NCL's history, it does not mean that a sudden explosion in long haul activity will occur, sadly!
Is this me being pessimistic???????