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Emirates rumour gathering pace
Found this on Business Traveller website;
Emirates' European expansion plans have been blunted by the late delivery of the A380 super jumbo. But it will add Venice to its network next July and is rumoured to be starting a Newcastle service from September.
By rights Emirates ought to have been adding more cities than these two. After all, the idea was that the A380s would have taken over its most popular services. In turn that would have allowed the smaller B777s and Airbus A330s to develop other routes.
"Aircraft availability is our stumbling block [when it comes to European expansion]," Keith Longstaff, the carrier's senior VP for commercial operations in Europe, admitted to Business Traveller. "Emirates isn't expected to receive its first A380 until August 2008. Yet originally we'd planned to have 18 of these planes in service by then."
The five times a week service from Venice to Dubai will get under way on July 1, increasing to daily from September 1. Flights will be operated by A330-200s fitted with 27 business and 251 economy class seats.
Venice currently has no long-haul air service. Travellers wishing to reach the outside world must take connecting flights to Milan Malpensa, Rome or other European hubs like Frankfurt, Paris and London.
Emirates will capitalise on these shortcomings. Its flights out of Venice will connect in Dubai for beyond destinations. Says HH Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Maktoum, the carrier's chairman and chief executive, "Venice is a popular tourist destination and an important gateway in Northern Italy for commerce. Our new service will contribute to Italy's many flourishing small to medium-sized businesses by providing increased access from Venice to other major cities around the globe via Dubai."
Rumours also abound that Emirates will bring long-haul air service to the UK northeast late next summer. Industry insiders suggest the carrier will operate a daily two-class A330-200 service from Newcastle to Dubai starting on September 1.
As in the case of Venice, the service would also provide beyond connections. It would also be the first ever long-haul eastbound flight from Newcastle whose catchment area extends to the Scottish borders in the north and as far south as York.
At the time of writing, spokespeople for both Newcastle airport and Emirates would neither confirm nor deny these rumours.
Let's hope that if this is true, EK will operate overnight at least one way, preferably to Dubai. Most UK flights seem to depart late evening. Fantastic for the region if this comes off - North East to the worlds fastest growing city - Direct!
Emirates' European expansion plans have been blunted by the late delivery of the A380 super jumbo. But it will add Venice to its network next July and is rumoured to be starting a Newcastle service from September.
By rights Emirates ought to have been adding more cities than these two. After all, the idea was that the A380s would have taken over its most popular services. In turn that would have allowed the smaller B777s and Airbus A330s to develop other routes.
"Aircraft availability is our stumbling block [when it comes to European expansion]," Keith Longstaff, the carrier's senior VP for commercial operations in Europe, admitted to Business Traveller. "Emirates isn't expected to receive its first A380 until August 2008. Yet originally we'd planned to have 18 of these planes in service by then."
The five times a week service from Venice to Dubai will get under way on July 1, increasing to daily from September 1. Flights will be operated by A330-200s fitted with 27 business and 251 economy class seats.
Venice currently has no long-haul air service. Travellers wishing to reach the outside world must take connecting flights to Milan Malpensa, Rome or other European hubs like Frankfurt, Paris and London.
Emirates will capitalise on these shortcomings. Its flights out of Venice will connect in Dubai for beyond destinations. Says HH Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Maktoum, the carrier's chairman and chief executive, "Venice is a popular tourist destination and an important gateway in Northern Italy for commerce. Our new service will contribute to Italy's many flourishing small to medium-sized businesses by providing increased access from Venice to other major cities around the globe via Dubai."
Rumours also abound that Emirates will bring long-haul air service to the UK northeast late next summer. Industry insiders suggest the carrier will operate a daily two-class A330-200 service from Newcastle to Dubai starting on September 1.
As in the case of Venice, the service would also provide beyond connections. It would also be the first ever long-haul eastbound flight from Newcastle whose catchment area extends to the Scottish borders in the north and as far south as York.
At the time of writing, spokespeople for both Newcastle airport and Emirates would neither confirm nor deny these rumours.
Let's hope that if this is true, EK will operate overnight at least one way, preferably to Dubai. Most UK flights seem to depart late evening. Fantastic for the region if this comes off - North East to the worlds fastest growing city - Direct!
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Regarding the EZY stn flights this morning,
G-EZKE was used on the 0640 NCL-STN (EZY512) which would have returned as EZY513 then back down to STN as 514 and back up again as 515 then onto FAO at 14.10. What happened was....
STN were an aircraft down and had 149 pax checked in to go to LYS at 06.15 so a/c G-EZKE operated this route (leaving the NCL pax to be coached) it departed around 9am bound for Lyon and returned to STN around 2pm, a/c then operated the delayed EZY515 back to NCL arrive approx 15.45!
G-EZKE was used on the 0640 NCL-STN (EZY512) which would have returned as EZY513 then back down to STN as 514 and back up again as 515 then onto FAO at 14.10. What happened was....
STN were an aircraft down and had 149 pax checked in to go to LYS at 06.15 so a/c G-EZKE operated this route (leaving the NCL pax to be coached) it departed around 9am bound for Lyon and returned to STN around 2pm, a/c then operated the delayed EZY515 back to NCL arrive approx 15.45!
All because some pratt at EZY preferred Lyon to NCL. Incidentally it is worth pointing out that EZY had taken the oportunity due to the recent fog problems at LHR to increase the price on the one way fare between NCL & STN today to over £105 & taxes. But even this premium fare did not save the service being axed.
To all involved at EZY you are pathetic and someone should be made to account.
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I am not surprised look at the contempt that Easyjet showed the folks at Newcastle during the Summer, we had more than our fair share of cancellations.
Lets hope that Jet2 give Easyjet a good kicking on the routes wher they compete, if nothing else it will show easy that the folks of he NE are sick of the slap dash customer service we receive from them. Bring back Stelios the current management at easyjet haven't got a clue!! At present they don't seem too bothered about the Newastle base and its passengers
I am not surprised look at the contempt that Easyjet showed the folks at Newcastle during the Summer, we had more than our fair share of cancellations.
Lets hope that Jet2 give Easyjet a good kicking on the routes wher they compete, if nothing else it will show easy that the folks of he NE are sick of the slap dash customer service we receive from them. Bring back Stelios the current management at easyjet haven't got a clue!! At present they don't seem too bothered about the Newastle base and its passengers
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Taken from another forum: -
EK35 DXB - NCL Arrives 12.10 EK36 NCL - DXB departs 13.40 from 1/9/07.
I do not know which system it has been taken from (could be EK's own).
As stated before, just need an official announcement!
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EK35 DXB - NCL Arrives 12.10 EK36 NCL - DXB departs 13.40 from 1/9/07.
I do not know which system it has been taken from (could be EK's own).
As stated before, just need an official announcement!
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Lets hope it's anounced asap to get those all important advanced bookings rolling in.
I still think 7 flights per week seems very ambitious, 3 or 4 sounds more sensible, but I guess they have done their sums and most likely one northeast will be 'chipping in'. If this route fails to get off the ground we may have had it with regard to future L/H routes.
I still think 7 flights per week seems very ambitious, 3 or 4 sounds more sensible, but I guess they have done their sums and most likely one northeast will be 'chipping in'. If this route fails to get off the ground we may have had it with regard to future L/H routes.
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Most definatley daily from thier current schedule, though we must remember it hasnt been realeased yet so that could change. The flight departs NCL at 13.40 after arrival at 7.20am. This looks like on an A330 on EK35 and EK36. Looks to me to be a quite acheiveable route for EK with world-wide connections at DXB. There will be a lot of capacity in the UK now for EK, with only the South west area of the UK with no services. Anyone know when the official announcement will be? I think it may not be until the New Year, maybe the first week of January. Time will tell all. Maybe this might get US carriers buts into gear!
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Lets hope it's anounced asap to get those all important advanced bookings rolling in.
I still think 7 flights per week seems very ambitious, 3 or 4 sounds more sensible, but I guess they have done their sums and most likely one northeast will be 'chipping in'. If this route fails to get off the ground we may have had it with regard to future L/H routes.
I still think 7 flights per week seems very ambitious, 3 or 4 sounds more sensible, but I guess they have done their sums and most likely one northeast will be 'chipping in'. If this route fails to get off the ground we may have had it with regard to future L/H routes.
What you have to look at is possibly a config of 27 business and 251 in Y on a 2-4-2. So the market is to eat straight into all east bound longhaul business class with a mix of Dubai tourists & longhaul Y. Pax that would otherwise possibly have to make 2 connections rather than one via it's DXB hub. With all the chaos on the LHR & considering competition from AMS, CDG & BRS I believe they stand a bloody good chance & good luck to them. It's critical that they get a good start & if they can put their mega resources into a serious sustained marketing campaign from York / Leeds through to the scottish borders, then the demand will be justified.
It also doesn't take a genius to work out that the development will be watched with considerable interest across the pond & EK's success would definitely lead to even further routes.
Good luck guys's you've already got one punter !
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Good luck to them! its about we had a good long haul airline in!
Personally I cant wait I was planning on going to Thailand in Nov 07 and was gonna have to fly from MAN, GLA or BHX as I was offered cheap flights with touchdown, maybe now I can get from NCL which will be so much better!
Personally I cant wait I was planning on going to Thailand in Nov 07 and was gonna have to fly from MAN, GLA or BHX as I was offered cheap flights with touchdown, maybe now I can get from NCL which will be so much better!
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I wasn't doubting that the route did have a future!, I was just stating that I thought daily flights seemed ambitious when you consider that we currently have none. Anyone know how many oil industry workers from the NE are based in the mddle east? they would surely contribute to loads both in econ and business classes, we also have a fairly large south asian community here, hopefully EK will compete with BA and KLM on price for their custom.
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Any idea how the route is doing? I was wondering why if you selected MAN as your departure airport for example, aer lingus offers connecting fares to several other world wide destinations (JFK,DXB,BOS etc...), but when you select NCl the only option listed is DUB?
Is this because the arrival into DUB from NCL is not a convinient time to make these connections?
Is this because the arrival into DUB from NCL is not a convinient time to make these connections?
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Any idea how the route is doing? I was wondering why if you selected MAN as your departure airport for example, aer lingus offers connecting fares to several other world wide destinations (JFK,DXB,BOS etc...), but when you select NCl the only option listed is DUB?
Is this because the arrival into DUB from NCL is not a convinient time to make these connections?
Is this because the arrival into DUB from NCL is not a convinient time to make these connections?
So this does beg the question as to why exactly EI reinstated a route which since their departure has been 'adequately' provided by RYR. Some years back when EI themselves operated the route on a 'monopoly' they hardy threw much resource at the service in terms of equipment, but did offer a connection with NYC. Without attracting business fares this time round & poor loads & timings, the service in my view wont last more than 12 months.
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They did the same with a service to LPL from DUB and it didn't last.
I think they flew the route just to kill an idle few aircraft hours between other flights.
I think they flew the route just to kill an idle few aircraft hours between other flights.
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- Maybe they couldn't be bothered
- They forget
- A travel agent / company secretary might be unable or unwilling to do this step when booking flights for someone else
- A family they can't find enough seats together and need to sort that out at check-in
- Or they wish to get assigned an emergency exit seat when they check-in at the airport
In fact the online seat map showed just over 100 occupied seats, but in fact the next day there was exactly 150 passengers.
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Repeated once again:
Please do NOT post details of ANY airline's schedules. We do not allow it. Any further examples will get you a leave of absence from PPRuNe.
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Just noticed this morning that Newcastle has now vanished from the EK website as a destination. I know it was there for the last few days but is no longer showing on the list of destinations.
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You display an incredible amount of ignorance in you post over the easyjet cancellation.From the tone in your post you have no understanding of airline operations,do you honestly think a toss of a coin decides which flight gets canned?There is a multitude of scenarios to consider when making such a decision for example crew hours,night curfews,alternative transport,crew rating,airport restrictions,aircraft out of position to name but a few.Unless you had your head up your ar5e you may have noticed it was a very demanding period for all airlines so to manage a relatively small amount of cancellations bearing in mind the 2 biggest bases STN and LGW were amongst the worst affected is certainly not down to incompetency.Or are you going to slag off BA as well for leaving thousands of pax stranded all over the world?
You display an incredible amount of ignorance in you post over the easyjet cancellation.From the tone in your post you have no understanding of airline operations,do you honestly think a toss of a coin decides which flight gets canned?There is a multitude of scenarios to consider when making such a decision for example crew hours,night curfews,alternative transport,crew rating,airport restrictions,aircraft out of position to name but a few.Unless you had your head up your ar5e you may have noticed it was a very demanding period for all airlines so to manage a relatively small amount of cancellations bearing in mind the 2 biggest bases STN and LGW were amongst the worst affected is certainly not down to incompetency.Or are you going to slag off BA as well for leaving thousands of pax stranded all over the world?
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