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EU01,
It's only my own guess about this matter we in the orange outfit don't know much about any plans before you do. However in a recent interview A. Harrisson said that EZY had been observing the Scandinavian market for a while and had come to the conclusion that neither SAS or Sterling had the slightest idea of how to run an airline properly. He then said that the Scandinavian market soon were about to see orange coloured planes and he didn't see any difficulties in competing against them.
Obviously there's plenty of space for more low cost companies even in Denmark! Look at Ryanair they have just announced their 9th route out of Billund within a year
Swedish operators have never got the hang of it operating an airline, loads of companies have gone bust over the last 20 years. The only ones surviving are SAS Sweden, Skyways and Malmo aviation, none of them are doing too well
Norway seem to do better with Norwegian and wideroe but Norwegian are not very big compared to EZY or FR. Wiederoe are primarily doing domestic, different market.
When all come to all now a days I believe pax loyalty are proportional with the ticket prize. So the company with the best prize wins regardless of what country the company comes from
Finland I don't know much about except Sterling tried 2 years ago with a Helsinki base. They said they needed 6-7months to start making a profit but gave up after 2
Tom the Tenor,
I guess the only reason you remember the orange Airbus coming to ORK is probably because of the slide being deployed on the maiden flight while RTE was filming on location......
It's only my own guess about this matter we in the orange outfit don't know much about any plans before you do. However in a recent interview A. Harrisson said that EZY had been observing the Scandinavian market for a while and had come to the conclusion that neither SAS or Sterling had the slightest idea of how to run an airline properly. He then said that the Scandinavian market soon were about to see orange coloured planes and he didn't see any difficulties in competing against them.
Obviously there's plenty of space for more low cost companies even in Denmark! Look at Ryanair they have just announced their 9th route out of Billund within a year
Swedish operators have never got the hang of it operating an airline, loads of companies have gone bust over the last 20 years. The only ones surviving are SAS Sweden, Skyways and Malmo aviation, none of them are doing too well
Norway seem to do better with Norwegian and wideroe but Norwegian are not very big compared to EZY or FR. Wiederoe are primarily doing domestic, different market.
When all come to all now a days I believe pax loyalty are proportional with the ticket prize. So the company with the best prize wins regardless of what country the company comes from
Finland I don't know much about except Sterling tried 2 years ago with a Helsinki base. They said they needed 6-7months to start making a profit but gave up after 2
Tom the Tenor,
I guess the only reason you remember the orange Airbus coming to ORK is probably because of the slide being deployed on the maiden flight while RTE was filming on location......
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Far fonder and more cheerful memories than that, my friend. I suppose the slide was a funny episode though all right though. RTE would never have been that interested in a Cork aviation story - it was the TV3 crew that were in the right place at the right time - at least the welcome arrival of easyJet at Cork was thought a good enough story for airing.
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I feel that Cork Airport has easyJet to thank for having a Gatwick link today eventhough they withdrew and let it with Ryanair.
Everyone remembers Ryanair bullying Easyjet off the route, but no one remembers Easyjet bullying BMI Baby off the route in the first place
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Fair comment, there. bmi baby ought to have based an aeroplane in Cork and they would have hoovered up a lot more than just Gatwick. Could have created a good little niche for themselves with the choice of a 737-500 or 737-300 as per the season.
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Regarding the possible flights EZY to/from Dublin, it seems (from a french source) that EZY requested from the COHOR (french slots autotity) slots for 2 daily CDG/DUB
Wait and see, slots requested dont mean flights !
Wait and see, slots requested dont mean flights !
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"Easy's model is, as has been stated by MUFC, to offer higher frequency between principal cities/airports, rather than lower frequency between secondary cities/airports.
Neither of these companies would benefit from a head-to-head 'fight' - all that would do is reduce yields and thus profitability. That's why they very rarely compete directly."
This is what though easyJet and many people since the beginning of their operations. But I think the last 6 months showed a new trend in the strategy of Ryanair. Ryanair doesn't fear anymore to attack EZY head to head on main UK/continental EZY protected airports. You said they very rarely compete directly. This was true 1 year ago, this is not true anymore.
Look at Ryanair attacks on Belfast or Bristol. Look at all the routes that are now operated by both carriers (you may be surprised there): BSLALC, STNEDI, EDIALC, STNVLC, EMAALC, LPL and London Belfast, LPLALC, PLPKRK, LPLMAD, LPLAGP, STNVLC, STNLEI, STNFAO etc
Plus, for example when Ryanair opens a EMAGRO route for example, it grabs automatically some passengers (especially pure leisure and 2nd home owners travellers) from EZY EMABCN service. Whatever the business model, FR expansion on the UK market is not a good news for EZY.
Don't you think that it was more EZY’s role and interest to open new routes/base at Birmingham? Leisure but also business travellers potential is not bad there. Probably they studied the ASM and said "no, not enough space for us with bmi and flybe presences". But Ryanair just saw a new opportunity to close the airport expansion possibilities of EZY. I don't know if you will disagree with me, but when Ryanair opened bases at Belfast, Bristol, BOH or Birmingham (and eventually at BSL, EDI and MAN), it takes many passengers from EZY. EZY current solution is to increase their yield (if they want to keep the same revenue) so to dilute its image of low fare airline, which is very risky...
I am maybe a bit pessimistic about EZY situation, but Ryanair current performance is also bad. Their new bases are disasters. I really think that an attack of EZY on the DUB market, as well as many others possible solutions, would put Ryanair into big troubles.
Gate22, I am almost certain that DUB is rather an open airport in terms of slots availability compared with many others European airports. I think EZY is shy, and not only on the irish and uk market, but also on the Nordic market, on the Eastern countries market, on the Spain-Italy market etc etc
They are not shy on the French market and it will probably become one of their best assets. But Ryanair is a bulldozer, and you could be sure they won’t stop their expansion soon
Neither of these companies would benefit from a head-to-head 'fight' - all that would do is reduce yields and thus profitability. That's why they very rarely compete directly."
This is what though easyJet and many people since the beginning of their operations. But I think the last 6 months showed a new trend in the strategy of Ryanair. Ryanair doesn't fear anymore to attack EZY head to head on main UK/continental EZY protected airports. You said they very rarely compete directly. This was true 1 year ago, this is not true anymore.
Look at Ryanair attacks on Belfast or Bristol. Look at all the routes that are now operated by both carriers (you may be surprised there): BSLALC, STNEDI, EDIALC, STNVLC, EMAALC, LPL and London Belfast, LPLALC, PLPKRK, LPLMAD, LPLAGP, STNVLC, STNLEI, STNFAO etc
Plus, for example when Ryanair opens a EMAGRO route for example, it grabs automatically some passengers (especially pure leisure and 2nd home owners travellers) from EZY EMABCN service. Whatever the business model, FR expansion on the UK market is not a good news for EZY.
Don't you think that it was more EZY’s role and interest to open new routes/base at Birmingham? Leisure but also business travellers potential is not bad there. Probably they studied the ASM and said "no, not enough space for us with bmi and flybe presences". But Ryanair just saw a new opportunity to close the airport expansion possibilities of EZY. I don't know if you will disagree with me, but when Ryanair opened bases at Belfast, Bristol, BOH or Birmingham (and eventually at BSL, EDI and MAN), it takes many passengers from EZY. EZY current solution is to increase their yield (if they want to keep the same revenue) so to dilute its image of low fare airline, which is very risky...
I am maybe a bit pessimistic about EZY situation, but Ryanair current performance is also bad. Their new bases are disasters. I really think that an attack of EZY on the DUB market, as well as many others possible solutions, would put Ryanair into big troubles.
Gate22, I am almost certain that DUB is rather an open airport in terms of slots availability compared with many others European airports. I think EZY is shy, and not only on the irish and uk market, but also on the Nordic market, on the Eastern countries market, on the Spain-Italy market etc etc
They are not shy on the French market and it will probably become one of their best assets. But Ryanair is a bulldozer, and you could be sure they won’t stop their expansion soon
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Look at Ryanair attacks on Belfast or Bristol. Look at all the routes that are now operated by both carriers (you may be surprised there): BSLALC, STNEDI, EDIALC, STNVLC, EMAALC, LPL and London Belfast, LPLALC, PLPKRK, LPLMAD, LPLAGP, STNVLC, STNLEI, STNFAO etc
Plus, for example when Ryanair opens a EMAGRO route for example, it grabs automatically some passengers (especially pure leisure and 2nd home owners travellers) from EZY EMABCN service. Whatever the business model, FR expansion on the UK market is not a good news for EZY.
Plus, for example when Ryanair opens a EMAGRO route for example, it grabs automatically some passengers (especially pure leisure and 2nd home owners travellers) from EZY EMABCN service. Whatever the business model, FR expansion on the UK market is not a good news for EZY.
Ryanair tends to fly more and more towards main airports all over europe and north Africa, and prices are still incredibly low.
Most of spanish airports are main airports (Valencia, Alicante, Malaga, Madrid, Murcia, Sevilla, Jerez, canaries, etc...) and lots of "secondary" airports are clearly an asset rather than a negative point (Santander Vs Bilbao... ).
On the other hand, it's quite funny to see easyJet introducing some new airports on its network ( Biarritz, Montpellier, Nantes,....) where Ryanair has always been already !
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Regional perhaps, but they are advertised as such and not (NTE Paris West) for example
How many airports do easyJet and Ryanair have in common in Portugal, Spain, UK, France, Italy, Morocco, Hungary, Malta,..?.... Have a look at both maps and count them by yourself, I am sure you will be surprised about the result
I think it's time now to stop considering Ryanair as just "the airline that flies you to Girona instead of Barcelona and Beauvais instead of Charles de Gaulle"... The strategy seems to be drifting toward something that might upset more and more easyJet, WiZzair, Vueling, in the future...
What if CDG or/and BCN decides to build up a low cost terminal on the same model as MRS or MAD ?!!
And bear in mind that Ryanair will always be extremely cheap not because of some "secondary" airports, but mainly thanks to the cash they get from all the local provinces, staff employed under real "low cost" conditions (self sponsored training and hotac for pilots, cabine crew, etc, uniform expenses, medical/sim, etc..).
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If BCN decided to build a lcc terminal it would make no difference as slots there are like hen's teeth! Hence the appalling slots J2 tried to operate from MAN last year. Unless the Spanish decide to offer more than the 4 additional slots per hour they added a couple of years ago when they opened the new runway.
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"easyJet flights out of LTN today operated to Terminal 2B"
The terminal change to T2B takes place on Sunday 27th along with a change of handling agents from Swissport to Europe Air Handing.
The CDG base will then open in a couple of weeks time.
The terminal change to T2B takes place on Sunday 27th along with a change of handling agents from Swissport to Europe Air Handing.
The CDG base will then open in a couple of weeks time.
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Rumoured Easyjet buying Monarch...
Heard a rumour the other day (hence its on here) that Easyjet are looking into taking over the scheduled side from Monarch...
Anyone know or heard any more about this?
Anyone know or heard any more about this?
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Direct VTB.........
Not sure who or where you work, but i am at easy, What i shall do is keep my ears open and see what galley fm gossip comes up.
I would say this is a new one to me.
Is it a case you heard easy taking over monachs scheduled services, but monarch keeping the charter side?
Not sure who or where you work, but i am at easy, What i shall do is keep my ears open and see what galley fm gossip comes up.
I would say this is a new one to me.
Is it a case you heard easy taking over monachs scheduled services, but monarch keeping the charter side?
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Absolute horsesh*t, I'd say. It's not exactly easy to split off the scheduled side from the charter side as the aircraft are essentially shared (although some a/c only do scheduled and some only do charter it is essentially a shared fleet). It's not as if the owner is short of cash!! Currently #336 in the worlds rich list (according to Forbes) with a pile of cash worth $2.7 Billion and growing!