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Train did win, 3 per hour, cheaper if booked in advance, roughly same time door to door, and you can work with the wifi. I flew VLM a few days ago, 8am from Manchester only just over half full, I remember when there were 3 morning flights all near enough full!
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Services to MAN are stopping as of this June. According to VLM the route was highly unprofitable for quite a while already. VLM is complaining that Virgin Trains, that run the service London-Manchester, are subsidised and thus is able to sell tickets against ridiculous prices. Thus unfair competition.
Services from Rotterdam and Antwerpen to Manchester are unaffected.
Services from Rotterdam and Antwerpen to Manchester are unaffected.
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A shame about Manchester going, I was a regular. It's really a separate market to that from Euston to Manchester Piccadilly on the train. I guess the banking industry have cut back their travel.
London City as well are going to have to realise that the easy days of high landing fees, which allowed the airport to be sold for such a huge valuation a couple of years ago, are now gone. I am sure the high landing charges for the Manchester flights played a part in making it not worthwhile any longer.
London City as well are going to have to realise that the easy days of high landing fees, which allowed the airport to be sold for such a huge valuation a couple of years ago, are now gone. I am sure the high landing charges for the Manchester flights played a part in making it not worthwhile any longer.
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this is a real shame. I have travelled on the lcy/man route quite a few times, I hope someone else takes it over. the last time i flew it was fullish although that was the tea time flight.
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So we have now lost Oslo, Hamburg, Berne, Warsaw, Rome, Vienna, Stuttgart, Belfast and Manchester and gained just Plymouth and Nantes.
Brussels - now down to just a single daily flight - will probably go next, there are rumours in another thread that the Isle Of Man is facing the chop. I have also my doubts about the long-term survival of EIN, BLL and SXB. We might well end up with less than 25 destinations sooner than later.
Brussels - now down to just a single daily flight - will probably go next, there are rumours in another thread that the Isle Of Man is facing the chop. I have also my doubts about the long-term survival of EIN, BLL and SXB. We might well end up with less than 25 destinations sooner than later.
virginblue - I think you might be taking an overly pessimistic stance here. LCY is not in the same situation as MME
By virtue of its location / passenger base, LCY will always be more exposed to the cyclical effects of the global economy, compared to (for example) LHR.
I can think of a lot of other destinations from LCY with better potential compared to Berne. Now that the major engineering work on the train line out of Euston is essentially complete, a route like MAN without feeder traffic will never be viable - think of MAN ending as trimming the dead wood in LCY's capacity and making space for other more economically useful routes.
Major cities with a large business base however will return to LCY when the economy picks up again.
By virtue of its location / passenger base, LCY will always be more exposed to the cyclical effects of the global economy, compared to (for example) LHR.
I can think of a lot of other destinations from LCY with better potential compared to Berne. Now that the major engineering work on the train line out of Euston is essentially complete, a route like MAN without feeder traffic will never be viable - think of MAN ending as trimming the dead wood in LCY's capacity and making space for other more economically useful routes.
Major cities with a large business base however will return to LCY when the economy picks up again.
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No, it is not so much about the current meltdown of the economy but more about the long-term development that traditional markets for LCY are becoming unsustainable and marginal markets (because of the high costs associated with LCY) are increasingly unable to sustain a route over a longer period.
Domestic routes come under pressure because of the trains, and so do destinations in Belgium, France and the Netherlands. And the number of potential destinations outside that perimeter is somewhat limited as most of them are so far away that (at least at the moment) the smallest aicraft that can be used is an 80 seater - which is too big for many markets (OSL, TXL, WAW or FCO might have worked with a smaller aircraft, for example). So it will be interesting to see if LCY reaches a bit of a saturation point for its premium product as far as additional destinations are concerned (FRA, ZRH and the lke will always work because, of course)
Domestic routes come under pressure because of the trains, and so do destinations in Belgium, France and the Netherlands. And the number of potential destinations outside that perimeter is somewhat limited as most of them are so far away that (at least at the moment) the smallest aicraft that can be used is an 80 seater - which is too big for many markets (OSL, TXL, WAW or FCO might have worked with a smaller aircraft, for example). So it will be interesting to see if LCY reaches a bit of a saturation point for its premium product as far as additional destinations are concerned (FRA, ZRH and the lke will always work because, of course)
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virginblue if the thread you are refering to is the Isle of Man one then its not LCY/IOM ending more who will operate it. Rumours that RE will not be the carrier this time next year.... I wouldn't bet against it! But someone will still operate it. 
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Hmmm, the choice of airlines at IOM is somewhat limited - there are Flybe/Loganair, Blue Islands, Eastern, Manx2 and VLM.
- VLM already operates to LCY.
- Flybe lacks the proper equipment itself, so they would have to bring in Loganair. Would at least be a proper sized aircraft for the route.
- Eastern could have started long ago.
Don't see Blue Islands or Manx2 on that route.
Or maybe some new airline for a change? Air Southwest comes to mind...
- VLM already operates to LCY.
- Flybe lacks the proper equipment itself, so they would have to bring in Loganair. Would at least be a proper sized aircraft for the route.
- Eastern could have started long ago.
Don't see Blue Islands or Manx2 on that route.
Or maybe some new airline for a change? Air Southwest comes to mind...
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Is the ATR42 not a better bet for Aer Arran if the ATR72 is proving too big?
So we're saying the ATR72 / DHC8-400 series is too big?
- Flybe lacks the proper equipment itself, so they would have to bring in Loganair. Would at least be a proper sized aircraft for the route.
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air southwest wouldnt surprise me, as far as i understand they are looking to expand ops and have just today rebranded the website to move a bit more away from being southwest to Britain's local airline!