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Replying to a message before it is now rumoured that BFS will change to the Bus in 2008 and an anouncment will be made towards the end of this year. Then let the expansion begin great possibilities could see BFS grow to an ezy fleet size as BRS. 10+ a/c. However this could be accelerated but is unliklely as a/c deleveries will slow down over the next 12 months. And Harrison has announced a doubling of capacity out of Germany!
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'And Harrison has announced a doubling of capacity out of Germany'- SKY's4ME, Where did you read this?. Interesting to note that although BFS has only 5 Easyjets based, there are a lot operating through BFS, 1x4 GLA, 1x4 EDI, 1x6/7 LPL, 1x5 LGW, 3/4 flights per week from Berlin. With this shear high volume of traffic not forgeting the fact that there are probably more rotations per aircraft from BFS as the routes are shorter with respect to London, Belfast must not be far behind Bristol as it stands at the moment.
P.S. Inverness is still shown as operating from BFS in booking machine and on route map!!!!!
P.S. Inverness is still shown as operating from BFS in booking machine and on route map!!!!!
Sorry for not being more acurate before but I was commenting on the shear number of a/c based at BRS. Of course EZY already operate an impressive show at BFS but this could double with a larger a/c fleet based at BFS which can only happen with the arrival of the airbus and or other possibilities such as NCL changing to airbus allowing their 7 737's a/c to go elsewhere?
Harrisons comments were made at a recent press day at SXF celebrating the arrival of Easy's 100th A319.
Pity about INV it is a great route!!
Harrisons comments were made at a recent press day at SXF celebrating the arrival of Easy's 100th A319.
Pity about INV it is a great route!!
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Dunno where you got your airbus rumour from Sky but its 2 years adrift. BFS doesn't need airbuses to double in size. If NCL or LTN goes bus there will be plenty of Boeings going spare. Easy may have a long term plan to double in size but unfortunately that isn't likely to work very well when other operators get their first...which is happening now.
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Some how I believe a company the size of Easy are not that worried about ''the other operators'' out of BFS i.e Jet 2 and bmi baby. I am afraid these companies are only bidding their time until ryanair and Easy Jet decide enough is enough.
Both operate old antique a/c and are not able to keep pace with the likes of EasyJet and will struggle as time goes on. I say to them make the most of things while you can!
Some how I believe a company the size of Easy are not that worried about ''the other operators'' out of BFS i.e Jet 2 and bmi baby. I am afraid these companies are only bidding their time until ryanair and Easy Jet decide enough is enough.
Both operate old antique a/c and are not able to keep pace with the likes of EasyJet and will struggle as time goes on. I say to them make the most of things while you can!
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Jet2 in BFS make their money on their 7 year mail contract. Playing with scheduled services from BFS is an added bonus for them and somehow I don't think they really give a monkies what Easyjet are up to. Then there's Wizzair..who have basically stitched up the Polish market ex BFS under Easy's nose. The Easy KRK route was an afterthought in response to Wizz's plan being leaked. In the same vain, the IBZ was launched with a poor once a week schedule after Jet2 had already gone ahead. What Easyjet need is a commercial department with some regional focus. They are the best paid commercial bods in the industry..time they worked a bit harder. BMI baby are about to announce a major fleet replacement too so at best it is foolish to discount any competitor. If you want proof of that then have a look a LPL where Ryanair nipped in under Easy's nose. The same happened at EMA and it's a surprise that they didn't do the same in BFS because they talked about it. Easyjet is a major local employer and it would be great to see Buses and expansion plans but its widely known amongst the local staff that it isn't happening. Lets hope they change their minds soon.
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Forgive for being very rusty on freight movements at BFS, but would I be right in saying that there are two large airbuses (A300) one TNT the other one channel express, a 146 and a couple of props based at BFS, I note these at a glance as I collect my car from the long stay. Then do Jet 2 use 2 of their 737's for post/freight. Does anyone have info on regular routes times etc, at a guess Edinburgh, East Midlands, Brussels, Stansted, Bristol. I have seen one of the Airbuses departing around 20.00 regularly over the years what time do they get back in at. There is quite a presence of aircraft, but one only ever sees them on the ground as obviously they operate in the small hours. Are there any regular freighters going across the pond.
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you would be right on the two A300s, TNT & DHL both operate the A300.
the TNT departs every night Mon-Fri at 2030 to EMA and onwards to LGG, and the DHL shortly after about 2050 to EMA. TNT arrives back in at 0615 from EMA, and the DHL about the same.
there is also a B767-200 operated by Star Air (Maersk Air) on behalf of UPS, it departs at 2010 to EMA and then to CGN. the UPS arrives back in 0535 from EMA.
Jet2 operate the Royal Mail twice a night Mon-Fri to EMA using a quick change B733, the first departure is 1920, the second 2240. the aircraft arrives back in at 0205 from EMA, then overnight the seats are reinstalled ready for the early passenger flight.
Titan also operate for the Royal Mail to STN twice a night Mon-Fri using a quick change BAe146, first departure 2245, the second 0150.
Atlantic Airlines operate the Lockheed Electra, but i'm not sure of the routes or times they operate.
on the odd occasion you might find a BAe ATP of Magic Bird or Atlantic Air sitting on the Freight Apron
and before emerald airways lost their AOC, the HS748 operated to LPL twice sometimes three times a night for Securicor and Royal Mail.
as for freighters departing across the pond, there have been a number of B747-200 mvts recently operated by Klitta Air to YYZ, taking out aircraft engines from Shorts. prior to these mvts Vega Airlines operated many adhoc charters using the AN12 to YYZ, also taking the engines from Shorts.
anyway thats all i can think of for now
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you would be right on the two A300s, TNT & DHL both operate the A300.
the TNT departs every night Mon-Fri at 2030 to EMA and onwards to LGG, and the DHL shortly after about 2050 to EMA. TNT arrives back in at 0615 from EMA, and the DHL about the same.
there is also a B767-200 operated by Star Air (Maersk Air) on behalf of UPS, it departs at 2010 to EMA and then to CGN. the UPS arrives back in 0535 from EMA.
Jet2 operate the Royal Mail twice a night Mon-Fri to EMA using a quick change B733, the first departure is 1920, the second 2240. the aircraft arrives back in at 0205 from EMA, then overnight the seats are reinstalled ready for the early passenger flight.
Titan also operate for the Royal Mail to STN twice a night Mon-Fri using a quick change BAe146, first departure 2245, the second 0150.
Atlantic Airlines operate the Lockheed Electra, but i'm not sure of the routes or times they operate.
on the odd occasion you might find a BAe ATP of Magic Bird or Atlantic Air sitting on the Freight Apron
and before emerald airways lost their AOC, the HS748 operated to LPL twice sometimes three times a night for Securicor and Royal Mail.
as for freighters departing across the pond, there have been a number of B747-200 mvts recently operated by Klitta Air to YYZ, taking out aircraft engines from Shorts. prior to these mvts Vega Airlines operated many adhoc charters using the AN12 to YYZ, also taking the engines from Shorts.
anyway thats all i can think of for now
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So we are back to the usual 2 steps forward then 1 step back situation at BFS. Last autumn was very rosey with Jet 2 expanding for this summer along with the introduction of whizz etc now the summer has barely started and Jet 2 have started cutting back. Meanwhile Easyjet have been dragging their heals and curtailing expansion at BFS, and with no airlines ceasing on this opportunity and introducing new services, it looks like the expansion is all happening at BHD now. In fact from Christmas the only positive announcement for BFS has been Zoom, correct me if I am wrong. I can never understand why AF-cdg and KL-ams are not operating to any of the Belfast airports despite operating to almost the whole of the UK (these are an alternative to LHR which should have been snapped up long ago). What about Brussels, Dubia all possible from Belfast.
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if anyone wants to see a DC10 at Aldergrove tonight, there is one on its way from EGNV (Durham Tees Valley) due to land at Aldergrove at 2125 local time
anybody any ideas what or who it is operating for?
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anybody any ideas what or who it is operating for?
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Over 5000 more passengers used LHR - Aberdeen than Belfast as the numbers continue to slide at BHD. Its time BD wised up and moved their operation to where people actually want to use ie BFS. There are now nearly as many folk use LGW compared to LHR from Belfast as a whole. When compared to similar markets eg Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen - LHR is carrying in some cases over 100% more passengers from these airports compared to LGW ( So the potential is there at Belfast but not being utilised). More than 100% more passengers used BFS instead of BHD to fly to LGW last month (LGW-BHD capacity increased by BE on this route last month 15% drop in passengers-12% rise at BFS). STN to BHD only 8500 last month-poor - 13000+ LDY-STN same number of flights (slightly larger aircraft). Its time BD got their act together and maximised their operation out of Belfast.
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BFS or BHD for BMI.
Firstly ,have to disagree with comment from GATE22 that LHR-ABZ,EDI.GLA are similar markets to BFS/BHD. The Scottish routes have always carried a much higher proportion of business travellers with the price sensitive travellers using others modes Train, Coach,Car.
With the advent of low-cost , their main source of new travellers on Scottish routes has been former surface travellers.
On BFS/BHD their main source of traffic is those who previously used LHR.
Therefore LHR-BHD has been harder hit than LHR-Scotland.
Easyjet traffic grew 12% (=3500 pax ) on BFS/LGW but declined 7% on LTN(= 2300 pax) and 3% ( =1100 pax ) on STN , so overall their BFS/LON traffic ex BFS is ths same as last year .
LHR/BHD was down 14% ( 8000 pax) ....LHR/GLA BA/BD was also down 8%(9000 pax ) and LHR/EDI BA/BD down 6% ( 7000 pax ) , so their are other factors e.g. increased security congestion @ LHR.
AB operated BHD/STN with 8500 pax which I don-t think they did last APR. Scotair/Air France optd BHD/LCY with 900 pas both of which may have hit BD/BE as BHD operators more than EZY.
If pax are switching to BFS because its more convenient than BHD they are having to use LTN/STN/LGW ilo LHR which would be less convenient for a lot of others.Also for many LON originating ( esp high yield business travellers BHD is more convenient ).
Finally BD have over the last 18mths being targeting yield rather than volume....retiring 321s ( for which BFS was a prime route with all 8 svces at one time on 321) and replacing with lower capac 319/320.
They are therefore selling fewer cheap seats ,sacrificing volume for higher yields and probably higher profit.
With the recent increases in APD taxes BD prices may have gone up while Easy may be trimming margins tro keep prices loer ( Easy have recently said they are having difficulty charging the prices they would like i.e they are having to reduce their basis price so that when the increased taxes are added the total price doesnt hit volume too much. )
I don-t think BMI moving to BFS would have any significant effect on their traffic ...there are loads of other factors in play.
If they could get a super deal with BFS and charge lower prices and maintain margins , maybe !
With the advent of low-cost , their main source of new travellers on Scottish routes has been former surface travellers.
On BFS/BHD their main source of traffic is those who previously used LHR.
Therefore LHR-BHD has been harder hit than LHR-Scotland.
Easyjet traffic grew 12% (=3500 pax ) on BFS/LGW but declined 7% on LTN(= 2300 pax) and 3% ( =1100 pax ) on STN , so overall their BFS/LON traffic ex BFS is ths same as last year .
LHR/BHD was down 14% ( 8000 pax) ....LHR/GLA BA/BD was also down 8%(9000 pax ) and LHR/EDI BA/BD down 6% ( 7000 pax ) , so their are other factors e.g. increased security congestion @ LHR.
AB operated BHD/STN with 8500 pax which I don-t think they did last APR. Scotair/Air France optd BHD/LCY with 900 pas both of which may have hit BD/BE as BHD operators more than EZY.
If pax are switching to BFS because its more convenient than BHD they are having to use LTN/STN/LGW ilo LHR which would be less convenient for a lot of others.Also for many LON originating ( esp high yield business travellers BHD is more convenient ).
Finally BD have over the last 18mths being targeting yield rather than volume....retiring 321s ( for which BFS was a prime route with all 8 svces at one time on 321) and replacing with lower capac 319/320.
They are therefore selling fewer cheap seats ,sacrificing volume for higher yields and probably higher profit.
With the recent increases in APD taxes BD prices may have gone up while Easy may be trimming margins tro keep prices loer ( Easy have recently said they are having difficulty charging the prices they would like i.e they are having to reduce their basis price so that when the increased taxes are added the total price doesnt hit volume too much. )
I don-t think BMI moving to BFS would have any significant effect on their traffic ...there are loads of other factors in play.
If they could get a super deal with BFS and charge lower prices and maintain margins , maybe !