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This has been rumoured for a little while that Manchester Airport Group would just end up becoming Manchester Airport, it seems that MAG have done just about enough to improve the facilities for EMA for immediate expansion, though as has been mentioned before the lack of funding for a decent new terminal either implies MAG aren't a fit parent, have no long term interest in EMA or both. What interests me is who would be interested in purchasing us? BHX is majority owned by Macquarie Airports Group (who also own BRS) & Aer Rianta. This group might be interested in cementing their position in the East Midlands. The only two other companies I can think of are Peel (who are probably most interested in their DSA investment) and TBI (who have done wonders for London Luton.)
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Whoever the new owners are, it'd be nice for them to drop the word "Nottingham" from the name of the airport, as it's alienating people from the other parts of the East Midlands, and doesn't appear to have made much difference in people's understanding of where the airport is. Also a slightly more exciting corporate identity would be nice. The MAG branding is so bland. Bring back "Your easy midlands airport" if you ask me!
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This has been rumoured for a little while that Manchester Airport Group would just end up becoming Manchester Airport, it seems that MAG have done just about enough to improve the facilities for EMA for immediate expansion, though as has been mentioned before the lack of funding for a decent new terminal either implies MAG aren't a fit parent, have no long term interest in EMA or both. What interests me is who would be interested in purchasing us? BHX is majority owned by Macquarie Airports Group (who also own BRS) & Aer Rianta. This group might be interested in cementing their position in the East Midlands. The only two other companies I can think of are Peel (who are probably most interested in their DSA investment) and TBI (who have done wonders for London Luton.)
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I don't think that (N)EMA will see an investment from them.
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East Mids - Flight Destination Map
Hey guys,
I was just recently looking into some information on Nottingham East Midlands Airport and i couldnt for the life of me find a map showing all the 2006 flight destinations serviced from EMA within the UK + Europe, does such a map exist!?
Any help would be much appreciated
Ben. J
P.S Any historians here who know of any good articles on the history of the Airport either, Wikipidia is hardly a trusted source i must admit!
I was just recently looking into some information on Nottingham East Midlands Airport and i couldnt for the life of me find a map showing all the 2006 flight destinations serviced from EMA within the UK + Europe, does such a map exist!?
Any help would be much appreciated
Ben. J
P.S Any historians here who know of any good articles on the history of the Airport either, Wikipidia is hardly a trusted source i must admit!
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Originally Posted by UPS@EMA
Any new developments over the last wee or has it been quiet??????
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Three UK airports being prepared for sale
By : Ben Marlow 22/11/2006
THREE of Britain’s non-privatised airports – East Midlands, Bourne*mouth and Humberside – are being considered for sale by owner Manchester Airports Group.
This is why I love this industry, just when things seem quiet, you never know what is round the corner.I totally agree with you bmibay.com - the MAG Corp image is very dull, and I have commented before about the naff photograph on the front of the Terminal building.
The old Blue/Yellow was a stong look.
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Passengers use an airport because its in the right place, because there's flights going to where they want to go at times they want to go. They don't chose an airport because it has a pretty logo at the entrance.As it happens, I don't use Nottingham-EMA anymore because the miserable airlines that operate from the airport don't do useful things like through checkin to long-haul destinations via CDG, AMS, etc (which I used to do a lot), and because if you buy flights carefully the "real" airlines down the road at BHX usually offer as good value as those out of EMA but also make travel a more convenient and user-friendly experience. The logo on the front of the building won't change that.
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If MAG have stated they have not got the cash to invest in a new Pax Terminal at EMA, then this could be the perfect time to have the airport sold to new investors.
EMA does not need a Steel & Glass monument, ala STN. But what it does need is a well designed, effecient pax terminal, maximising on pax experience.
To me that means: Bright, well lit, a big security area to keep queues down. Walking access to and from all stands, (still over the tarmac, no need for airbridges) but minimise the need for buses on the apron. And a big baggage hall with at least 6 baggage belts.
Retail - enough for a full duty free selection and enough retail to make the airport money, while avoiding the LHR T3 Shopping Mall experience.
Get an investor that can deliver this, and EMA should be singing!
EMA does not need a Steel & Glass monument, ala STN. But what it does need is a well designed, effecient pax terminal, maximising on pax experience.
To me that means: Bright, well lit, a big security area to keep queues down. Walking access to and from all stands, (still over the tarmac, no need for airbridges) but minimise the need for buses on the apron. And a big baggage hall with at least 6 baggage belts.
Retail - enough for a full duty free selection and enough retail to make the airport money, while avoiding the LHR T3 Shopping Mall experience.
Get an investor that can deliver this, and EMA should be singing!
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EMA and BHX
Could be what the midlands needs if its two major airports work together. Both airports could provide the region with much improved air services. The midlands region as a whole suffers from its proximity to London and being third choice after Manchester.
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Sorry EastMids, but I think rule number one of marketing is to have a good brand. The current branding, the public face of the company, is very bland and uninspired, with the name doing very little for good community relations.
The new terminal egnxema describes would be the ideal situation for EMA, but whether we will see it any time soon is of course another question. The current terminal seems to be an endless set of annexes, chopping about and generally quite dingy compared to the modern terminals of airports like BHX.
I do like the idea of a Midlands Airport Group between BHX/EMA playing off of each others' strengths however as stated, the monopolies commision may have something to say about such a pairing. Weren't BHX interested in putting in a bid for CVT before CAOCO got in there first?
The new terminal egnxema describes would be the ideal situation for EMA, but whether we will see it any time soon is of course another question. The current terminal seems to be an endless set of annexes, chopping about and generally quite dingy compared to the modern terminals of airports like BHX.
I do like the idea of a Midlands Airport Group between BHX/EMA playing off of each others' strengths however as stated, the monopolies commision may have something to say about such a pairing. Weren't BHX interested in putting in a bid for CVT before CAOCO got in there first?
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Why should MAG miraculously produce a new terminal at EMA??!! There are two questions to ask. Firstly, is it needed? No. Secondly, would the investment pay for itself? Again, probably, no.
EMA has done very well, under MAG stewardship, in pinching BHX's passengers, putting the East Midlands/Nottingham/or wherever on the map, and sustaining EasyJet, Ryanair AND bmibaby services to Europe. 10 years ago, EMA was practically nothing in comparison to what it is today.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with EMA's branding. It's an accessible airport, used by people from everywhere within spitting distance of the M1/A50, and re-branding the place isn't going to matter one iota to its success.
EMA has done very well, under MAG stewardship, in pinching BHX's passengers, putting the East Midlands/Nottingham/or wherever on the map, and sustaining EasyJet, Ryanair AND bmibaby services to Europe. 10 years ago, EMA was practically nothing in comparison to what it is today.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with EMA's branding. It's an accessible airport, used by people from everywhere within spitting distance of the M1/A50, and re-branding the place isn't going to matter one iota to its success.
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Sorry Jongeman - have to disagree with the answers to the above-
1/ Is it needed - Most definately-despite best efforts -have you seen the bedlam at 0600am!
2/ Will investment pay for itself - (do number 1 properly and you have the answer to number 2.)
baby.com and egnxema have hit the nail on the head - nothing space-age
just an efficent building - not comprising of bolted on porta-cabins and annexes - Very Legoland!! -
and don't worry bout the cost of airbridges -
not wanted by LCC's anyway.
I agree under MAG's stewardship the airport has gone from strength to strength - which you should take credit for - (could sense defence mechanisms in your post - especially re the branding issue!) and that BHX loss is EMA's gain - posing questions for management at BIA - not my worry!
The hope is any new Investors in EMA, seize the opportunity re the terminal
In my honest opinion.
1/ Is it needed - Most definately-despite best efforts -have you seen the bedlam at 0600am!
2/ Will investment pay for itself - (do number 1 properly and you have the answer to number 2.)
baby.com and egnxema have hit the nail on the head - nothing space-age
just an efficent building - not comprising of bolted on porta-cabins and annexes - Very Legoland!! -
and don't worry bout the cost of airbridges -
not wanted by LCC's anyway.
I agree under MAG's stewardship the airport has gone from strength to strength - which you should take credit for - (could sense defence mechanisms in your post - especially re the branding issue!) and that BHX loss is EMA's gain - posing questions for management at BIA - not my worry!
The hope is any new Investors in EMA, seize the opportunity re the terminal
In my honest opinion.
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phil, you're certainly not the only one who is waiting with anticipation to see the endless changing around of the terminal to stable out just a little bit. Over the last two years whilst it has been pleasing to see passenger numbers increase, the level of building work around the terminal doesn't make it a particularly pleasant airport to fly through. Whilst a new terminal isn't required right now, if we don't have one, then it's just going to be even more chopping & changing, for the cost of doing all of that, we could have had one very nice, competitive terminal with BHX. EMA is doing well as a low-cost airport, but we have to make sure that people want to keep using us. This includes a public image for the entire region, improved public transport links (though to be fair to the airport the last 18 months has seen wonderful improvements already) and keeping the airport competitive as a local airport against BHX, CVT and other modes of transport.
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Think Lite summed it up -and sorry I disagree a November morning IS different to a July/August morning- and by bedlam I mean - confusion and disorder - my last experience through as a pax EMA involved some of the following-
1/ having queues stretch back past the bmibaby check-in desks - despite the polite and professionalism of the security staff on duty - (this didnt give the impression of an terminal that could cope.)
2/ once airside the basic shape of the Dep lounge makes it like a rugby scum to squeeze by other pax - surrounding gates waiting to board flights- a newer dep lounge would solve this
3/ only 10 mins drop off/pick up - (a bean counter obviously thought this one up!!) all you need is some buffoon who lost there ticket at exit gate and the domino effect starts - desperate! -
4/ being held on board due FR or WW boarding on adjacent stand-
don't mind this too much as I'd rather see investment in point 1-3 than waste money on arbridges.
5/not enough airside facilities for people dropping pax off - (a money making opportunity lost in my opinion.)
Some of the above - of course are probably the exception rather than the rule- however these issues will only become more apparent as pax numbers (and tempers) increase.
With respect- the rose coloured spectacles need to be taken off sometimes and the journey through EMA needs to be considered from a pax point of view- just my honest opinion!
1/ having queues stretch back past the bmibaby check-in desks - despite the polite and professionalism of the security staff on duty - (this didnt give the impression of an terminal that could cope.)
2/ once airside the basic shape of the Dep lounge makes it like a rugby scum to squeeze by other pax - surrounding gates waiting to board flights- a newer dep lounge would solve this
3/ only 10 mins drop off/pick up - (a bean counter obviously thought this one up!!) all you need is some buffoon who lost there ticket at exit gate and the domino effect starts - desperate! -
4/ being held on board due FR or WW boarding on adjacent stand-
don't mind this too much as I'd rather see investment in point 1-3 than waste money on arbridges.
5/not enough airside facilities for people dropping pax off - (a money making opportunity lost in my opinion.)
Some of the above - of course are probably the exception rather than the rule- however these issues will only become more apparent as pax numbers (and tempers) increase.
With respect- the rose coloured spectacles need to be taken off sometimes and the journey through EMA needs to be considered from a pax point of view- just my honest opinion!
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My concern if the new owners were to build a brand new terminal would be whether the cost of constructing such a new facility would discourage further growth from low-cost airlines. They are very keen not to be surrounded by glittery new facilities which drive their costs up, Liverpool seems to have done well with their new terminal as has Luton (though after some initial controversy) and this is the model that any new owners ought to pursue if a new terminal is required.
In the meantime, there's plenty that the airport management can do to make use of the facilities they have, and they seem to be doing this. Ensuring that the new security queue facilities can actually house the queue particularly during Slot One rather than spilling into the check-in hall. Working with handling agents over how flights are boarded, and whether they could install boarding grids so that passengers don't spill out all over the lounge. I don't think we need airbridges as this will only put off airlines who are looking to keep their costs down, but they ought to make sure passengers are quickly processed through arrivals working with Customs, Immigration and the handling agents. The new shopping mall by Arrivals should answer your question, IMHO, with regards to landside facilities, this is supposed to house Spar, Boots, Costa Coffee, the information desk and I've heard there might even be an M&S FoodHall.
In the meantime, there's plenty that the airport management can do to make use of the facilities they have, and they seem to be doing this. Ensuring that the new security queue facilities can actually house the queue particularly during Slot One rather than spilling into the check-in hall. Working with handling agents over how flights are boarded, and whether they could install boarding grids so that passengers don't spill out all over the lounge. I don't think we need airbridges as this will only put off airlines who are looking to keep their costs down, but they ought to make sure passengers are quickly processed through arrivals working with Customs, Immigration and the handling agents. The new shopping mall by Arrivals should answer your question, IMHO, with regards to landside facilities, this is supposed to house Spar, Boots, Costa Coffee, the information desk and I've heard there might even be an M&S FoodHall.