DURHAM AIRPORT - 3

[GBALU53]

Second Eastern Aircraft

With a second aircraft going to take up residency, what routes will this aircraft do?

Wil it do some shorter routes BMI Baby were doing before the plug was pulled out of the baby.s bath.

Or is the intension to grow on the routes already or start some new one,s??

[DTVAirport]

As far as I know the second Eastern aircraft will operate Brussels and Brussels alone, it may be used to operate more routes in the future, but not in the short term.

A small article in the November 2006 edition of Airliner World magazine hints it will only be used for Brussels as well.

Shouldn't the four new routes that Flyglobespan were supposed to be announcing in addition to the ones already announced have been released by now?

[skyman771]

Originally Posted by DTVAirport

Shouldn't the four new routes that Flyglobespan were supposed to be announcing in addition to the ones already announced have been released by now?

By taking the predicted 'sunshine routes' which are the most likely to give what comfort there is to the GSM planners, then why take a risk on the 'thinner' routes before obtaining comfort from their own operational experience ? Lets face it there is hardly a queue of other 'suitors'. The only way I can see GSM going for additional routes in the short term is to fill in gaps in the operations of the already announced based aircraft.

[mmeman]

Skyman 771, not quite sure what you are trying to say What 'thinner' routes do you mean? Do you know that there are no other 'suitors', or are you just guessing?? The airport MD said that there would be up to 4 further routes form GSM, so we will wait and see where they are to.

On another subject, bmi have shown just how committed they are to MME by making the first departure to LHR even later to 8.15am, and the next departure not until 12.45, which means there is abmi aircraft on the ground from 09.00 to 12.45. I maybe wrong but I would have thought an earlier departure would be more successful

[Wellington Bomber]

On another subject, bmi have shown just how committed they are to MME by making the first departure to LHR even later to 8.15am, and the next departure not until 12.45, which means there is abmi aircraft on the ground from 09.00 to 12.45. I maybe wrong but I would have thought an earlier departure would be more successful

MMEMAN

Get the calculator out again regarding on ground time!

If the 2nd departure leaves at 1245 from MME and the first departure arrives at LHR at 0900, how is the plane going to get back to MME? Maybe they have a Tardis to do this

[mmeteesside]

This winter bmi plan to use
340/331 - A319
332/333 - A320
338/339 - A319

As for Flyglobespan they did say the next 4 routes should be released within 2 weeks, and that was on the 5th so we'll give them til the 19th!

mmeteesside

[DTVAirport]

Don't quite understand what you guys are saying about bmi to LHR? I think I've asked this before, but are they still going ahead with plans to operate all LHR rotations with nothing but Airbus A319's this winter? Hope so.

[J-Guy]

With regards to flights between Jersey and Durham Tees for 2007, according to Jersey Travel the flight will operate as a charter with VLM on Saturdays.
It cannot replace the bmibaby services but at least a charter will be in operation so tourists have access to the island.

VG597 Arrives DTV 16:15
VG598 Departs DTV 17:00

[DTVAirport]

It's certainly better than nothing! It will be good to see a VLM Fokker 50 at the airport that's for sure!

With regards to the four more routes that Flyglobespan could be launching, I think if we don't hear anything tomorrow (16-10-06) then we should start to get worried...

[daz211]

well the Athens flight from STN is only bookable to 27/28 oct so that must free up an a/c as their is nothing on gsm website to say it will continue or be replaced maybe you will get the A/C.

[mmeman]

Sorry maybe I didn't make myself clear.

The first departure to LHR from MME is at 08.15.
The first departure to MME from LHR is at 07.55 arriving MME at 09.00.
The next departure from MME is at 12.45, so the aircraft is on the ground at MME from 09.00 until 12.45.

[DTVAirport]

I've tried to avoid breaking PPRuNe's 'no advertising' rule as best I can here, but I'd just like to announce that geocitiesdotcomforwardslashdtvairport has received another new look - the best yet!

[mmeteesside]

Ooh Chris you're living dangerously there, hanging on the edge

As for the new Eastern route to Brussels I see plenty of advertising on buses around Stockton and Middlesbrough, advertising it as a '12 star service' with the EU star logo. Way better than those Bristol adverts!! They were truly awful Good to see them advertising it though

Globespan said they would release the next 4 routes in 2 weeks, this was announced on 5th, so I'll give them til the 19th (Thurs) before starting to wonder

mmeteesside

[DTVAirport]

That sounds like sensible advertising actually. How's your bro's website coming along? I just get a blank page at the moment.

[mmeteesside]

Just found out that G-TAGH now belongs to Northern Aviation, this is their second Beech 200 now, due in in about 20 mins. This one joins G-ONAL in the Northern fleet, doing well them lot, ONAL is always busy so the addition of TAGH to the fleet seems sensible!

mmeteesside

[DTVAirport]

Review of Winter 06/07 Timetable

I've drawn up the following timetables for my website for Winter 2006/2007, can someone let me know if there are any errors or if I've missed anything - I'm sure I heard somewhere that there were to be three charters this winter and I've only got two.

Scheduled Flights:

DTVA – Aberdeen:
Departs: Arrives: Flight: Days: Aircraft:
06:40 07:40 T3580 12345 JS41
10:00 11:00 T3582 12345 JS41
14:40 15:40 T3586 12345 JS41
17:40 18:40 T3588 123457 JS41
Aberdeen – DTVA:
Departs Arrives: Flight: Days: Aircraft:
08:30 09:30 T3581 12345 JS41
13:10 14:10 T3585 12345 JS41
16:10 17:10 T3587 123457 JS41
19:55 20:55 T3589 12345 JS41
DTVA – Amsterdam:
Departs: Arrives: Flight: Days: Aircraft:
06:00 08:25 KL1530 1234567 FK70
10:20 12:40 KL1534 1234567 FK70
17:25 19:45 KL1538 1234567 FK70
Amsterdam – DTVA:
Departs: Arrives: Flight: Days: Aircraft:
09:25 09:40 KL1533 1234567 FK70
16:30 16:45 KL1537 1234567 FK70
21:35 21:50 KL1539 1234567 FK70
DTVA – Barcelona Girona:
Departs: Arrives: Flight: Days: Aircraft:
13:35 16:55 FR9348 246 B738W
Barcelona Girona – DTVA:
Departs: Arrives: Flight: Days: Aircraft:
11:20 12:40 FR9347 246 B738W
DTVA – Brussels:
Departs: Arrives: Flight: Days: Aircraft:
06:50 09:40 T34461 12345 JS41
16:45 19:35 T34467 12345 JS41
Brussels – DTVA:
Departs: Arrives: Flight: Days: Aircraft:
10:10 11:00 T34462 12345 JS41
20:05 20:55 T34468 12345 JS41
DTVA – Dublin:
Departs: Arrives: Flight: Days: Aircraft:
10:35 11:35 FR603 7 B738W
14:35 15:40 FR603 1 B738W
14:45 15:50 FR603 24 B738W
16:30 17:35 FR603 5 B738W
Dublin – DTVA:
Departs: Arrives: Flight: Days: Aircraft:
09:15 10:10 FR602 7 B738W
13:15 14:10 FR602 1 B738W
13:25 14:20 FR602 24 B738W
15:10 16:05 FR602 5 B738W
DTVA – London Heathrow:
Departs: Arrives: Flight: Days: Aircraft:
07:00 08:15 BD331 7 A320
08:15 09:35 BD331 123456 A319
12:45 14:05 BD333 1234567 A320
19:00 20:10 BD339 123457 A319
London Heathrow – DTVA:
Departs: Arrives: Flight: Days: Aircraft:
07:55 09:00 BD332 123456 A320
08:20 09:25 BD332 7 A320
17:10 18:20 BD338 123456 A319
20:05 21:15 BD340 6 A320
20:50 22:00 BD340 123457 A319
DTVA – Tenerife South:
Departs: Arrives: Flight: Days: Aircraft:
15:00 19:45 GSM081 2 B738W
Tenerife South – DTVA:
Departs: Arrives: Flight: Days: Aircraft:
09:30 14:15 GSM082 2 B738W

Charter Flights:

DTVA – Alicante:
Departs: Arrives: Flight: Days: Aircraft:
15:15 19:05 TOM6821 2 B752
Alicante – DTVA:
Departs: Arrives: Flight: Days: Aircraft:
11:35 13:45 TOM6822 2 B752
DTVA – Tenerife South:
Departs: Arrives: Flight: Days: Aircraft:
12:35 17:10 AEA274 5 B738W
Tenerife South – DTVA:
Departs: Arrives: Flight: Days: Aircraft:
07:10 11:35 AEA273 5 B738W

1=Monday
2=Tuesday
3=Wednesday
4=Thursday
5=Friday
6=Saturday
7=Sunday

Summary:

Good Points:
-Despite bmibaby pulling out, the 'size' of the timetable doesn't seem too effected - probably because of three new routes - Brussels, Tenerife South and Barcelona Girona - hope that made sense!
-bmi seem to be sending us less A319's and more A320's which obviously means an increase in capacity on the route - the opposite of what you would expect as you'd think they would reduce capacity due to the inevitable knock-on effects of bmibaby pulling out.
Bad Points:
-On some of the Amsterdam routes the duration of the flight has been increased by five minutes, hinting at the possibility of Fokker 50's and not Fokker 70's.
-Lost the Wednesday and Saturday Dublin flights
-Thomsonfly Tenerife South flight could have bad effects on the load factors of the Flyglobespan Tenerife South flight or vice versa.
Can anyone tell me whether the Thomsonfly Tenerife South flight will be operated by Boeing 737-800's or Boeing 757-200's? I've put Boeing 757-200's but that's just wishful thinking on my part.

[DTVAirport]

Well, I think we can assume that DTVA is just going to be a one-aircraft base operation for Flyglobespan. Still, I ain't complaining!

[mattfalcus]

Originally Posted by DTVAirport

Summary:
Good Points:
-Despite bmibaby pulling out, the 'size' of the timetable doesn't seem too effected - probably because of three new routes - Brussels, Tenerife South and Barcelona Girona - hope that made sense!
-bmi seem to be sending us less A319's and more A320's which obviously means an increase in capacity on the route - the opposite of what you would expect as you'd think they would reduce capacity due to the inevitable knock-on effects of bmibaby pulling out.
Bad Points:
-On some of the Amsterdam routes the duration of the flight has been increased by five minutes, hinting at the possibility of Fokker 50's and not Fokker 70's.
-Lost the Wednesday and Saturday Dublin flights
-Thomsonfly Tenerife South flight could have bad effects on the load factors of the Flyglobespan Tenerife South flight or vice versa.
Can anyone tell me whether the Thomsonfly Tenerife South flight will be operated by Boeing 737-800's or Boeing 757-200's? I've put Boeing 757-200's but that's just wishful thinking on my part.

Believe me, the Fokker 50s take a lot more than 5 minutes longer than the F70s from Amsterdam. And it's the last thing you need when you've just done an 11 hour flight

I don't think the Thomsonfly Tenerife flight will affect the Flyglobespan one too much. Thomsonfly operated quite well alongside bmibaby over the summer on routes to Alicante, Palma, Malaga etc. I'd assume they'd be using a 757 based on previous years.

Matt

[mmeteesside]

The Thomson flight to TFS is actually done by Air Europa, usually using a B738W, and TOM do the ALC with (NCL?) B752 on a W routing from the base (hence the times)

mmeteesside

[mmeteesside]

Time to go?

It is for Thomson, they're out of here at the end of the month and won't return, the 738 is to be used in MAN instead and the crews have been told to go to NCL (the other choice was nothing). Apparently next summer some flights will be done with W's from other bases.

As for the management, well, 3 based a/c lost in a few weeks, is it not time to get someone else in?

mmeteesside