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But that doesn't explain why EZY are still growing in other markets.
Well you can't argue, it's fact that SEN hasn't contributed any growth to EZY since they have taken more capacity out of STN than they have added to SEN.
The thing that is "such a shocking way to do business" is EZY continued inability to be able to expand at one location, whether it be LGW, LTN or SEN without it be at the expense of another.
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Easyjet only came to Stansted proper when they killed off Go by taking them over. Not sure that they have ever had a love affair with Stansted with Luton being so close.
It says a lot about their Stansted thinking when they moved part of their Stansted fleet to Southend-on Sea with its reduced catchment areas that is in two directions only. Add to that the fact that Southend-on-Sea can only be used by Easyjet 18 hours a day, has no public transport early morning and late at night and their aircraft get diverted at the first sign of fog.
Stansted is piggy-in-the middle with Luton on one side and Southend-on-Sea on the other but the management at Stansted did make a song and dance when Easyjet was meant to have made a commitment to expand their Stansted operation. Maybe that commitment is still there but if it is it might well be Southend that suffers long term unless they can sort out their issues most of which are out of their control.
It says a lot about their Stansted thinking when they moved part of their Stansted fleet to Southend-on Sea with its reduced catchment areas that is in two directions only. Add to that the fact that Southend-on-Sea can only be used by Easyjet 18 hours a day, has no public transport early morning and late at night and their aircraft get diverted at the first sign of fog.
Stansted is piggy-in-the middle with Luton on one side and Southend-on-Sea on the other but the management at Stansted did make a song and dance when Easyjet was meant to have made a commitment to expand their Stansted operation. Maybe that commitment is still there but if it is it might well be Southend that suffers long term unless they can sort out their issues most of which are out of their control.
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"killed off GO" is a fair assessment, ironically the business model that EZY are embarked upon at the moment almost exactly mirrors GO's and I know for a fact that CmC has met with Barbara. As I've said before STN's problem is that it dilutes traffic from LGW/LTN, very similar catchment areas. SEN? well history will work out if that decision was right, although as has been expressed previously, it is a bit of a niche market that could be exploited. I think that I've mentioned before that GO were approached by LTN to put in a pretty sizeable operation into LTN, but with an EMA base, the maths just didn't work, traffic dilution again.
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Atlantic Airways, Faroe Islands
Today in the second RC flight into London Stansted this season and today and next Monday are operated by an A319 rather than the usual Avroliner.
But main reason for posting was that on 20th March next year as some people are probably aware, there will be a total solar eclipse in the Faroe Islands. Closest one to the UK I believe until we finally get one in 2090! Does anybody know if RC will schedule some direct flights from the UK around this date especially for it?
But main reason for posting was that on 20th March next year as some people are probably aware, there will be a total solar eclipse in the Faroe Islands. Closest one to the UK I believe until we finally get one in 2090! Does anybody know if RC will schedule some direct flights from the UK around this date especially for it?
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CY sells last Heathrow slot | Cyprus Mail
So it appears that CY are moving their London operation to Stansted having sold their Heathrow slots. September 14th is the start date. Times/frequency/equipment TBA
So it appears that CY are moving their London operation to Stansted having sold their Heathrow slots. September 14th is the start date. Times/frequency/equipment TBA
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I think that was the obvious choice for Cyprus.
EGKK is virtually full so not much chance if getting in there.
It was always going to be GW or SS and I image MaG have been aggressive on pricing plus there is more flexibility in operation at the bigger airport.
The fact that the airline has sold Heathrow slots shows how poor a state they are in so you have to wonder if they will last long enough to make the SS operation work
EGKK is virtually full so not much chance if getting in there.
It was always going to be GW or SS and I image MaG have been aggressive on pricing plus there is more flexibility in operation at the bigger airport.
The fact that the airline has sold Heathrow slots shows how poor a state they are in so you have to wonder if they will last long enough to make the SS operation work
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During a period when I worked at STN I flew STN/LCA/STN for a three week break with Cyprus Airways, the one and only time I have flown with them, it was then an A310 operation, and a very pleasant experience it was, airport, airline and wide bodied operation.
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I'm not convinced of the longevity of this.
At one time not so long ago they flew into STN up to 5/6 weekly and used an A330 on weekends in the summer. On top of that were at least 2 daily to LHR again with 330s used, plus various weekly flights to LGW/STN/LTN mainly with their subsidiary Eurocypria but also with 'mainline'. They quit STN after around 15 years of service, the charters had dwindled and eventually Eurocypria went, they sold LHR slots, half-heartedly returned to STN for a year or so, now are leaving LHR altogether.
It's an airline in deep trouble, the market has been taken by locos. They will either go bust or further retreat and downsize the fleet
At one time not so long ago they flew into STN up to 5/6 weekly and used an A330 on weekends in the summer. On top of that were at least 2 daily to LHR again with 330s used, plus various weekly flights to LGW/STN/LTN mainly with their subsidiary Eurocypria but also with 'mainline'. They quit STN after around 15 years of service, the charters had dwindled and eventually Eurocypria went, they sold LHR slots, half-heartedly returned to STN for a year or so, now are leaving LHR altogether.
It's an airline in deep trouble, the market has been taken by locos. They will either go bust or further retreat and downsize the fleet
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One problem is despite mounting loses the government/politicians of Cyprus don't want it to go as they believe their should be a national carrier, despite the high cost to the tax payer, so I can only assume downsizing would be their option but it has been downsized so much recently, their wouldn't be much left 
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It's an airline in deep trouble, the market has been taken by locos
NEVER have I heard British Airways, Lufthansa and Aeroflot, to name but three, being referred to as "locos"!
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Nonetheless I would still say this is very good news for Stansted. They now have 17 passenger airlines at one time or another this year whether it be scheduled or charter. Is still very low for an airport of its size but better than the 11 or 12 when BAA sold to MAG.
It appears based on what CY are saying that it will also be quite a regular running route as opposed to just 2 flights a week. If they go bust from Stansted's point of view then yes it's a disappointment, otherwise this is a further step in the right direction.
It appears based on what CY are saying that it will also be quite a regular running route as opposed to just 2 flights a week. If they go bust from Stansted's point of view then yes it's a disappointment, otherwise this is a further step in the right direction.
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Heads up! If these antagonistic posts keep appearing I will CLOSE this thread and there will not be another. From my mail box people are getting fed up with it - and so am I!
It all comes down to childish rants and childish comments. That is NOT the way of PPRuNe or its forums.
If I have to close this one and do decide to open another there are three or four of you that will not be welcome on it and will be barred.
Its up to you. Either you engage in intelligent debate from this point on or you leave us - one way or another.
It all comes down to childish rants and childish comments. That is NOT the way of PPRuNe or its forums.
If I have to close this one and do decide to open another there are three or four of you that will not be welcome on it and will be barred.
Its up to you. Either you engage in intelligent debate from this point on or you leave us - one way or another.
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I was merely making the point that I'd flown the route and utilised the product and a damn fine product it was, alas I note that Cyprus Airways has since gone narrow body which does take the shine of it somewhat.
I would say that CY are on a par with BA and LH but I've flown with all three and I'd say that CY are better than BA and LH.
I also flew STN/ODS/STN (via BUD) with MALEV Hungarian, another thoroughly enjoyable product (particularly on the F70's) whilst avoiding the nightmare that some might call Heathrow, and I wouldn't like to see another quality product go the same way as MALEV Hungarian went.
I'm not interested in squabbles between London, indeed Essex, airports, I've worked at STN twice during my career and I can't stand the place, but talking as a passenger of both MALEV Hungarian and Cyprus Airways, from/to STN, all three provided the service for me.
I would say that CY are on a par with BA and LH but I've flown with all three and I'd say that CY are better than BA and LH.
I also flew STN/ODS/STN (via BUD) with MALEV Hungarian, another thoroughly enjoyable product (particularly on the F70's) whilst avoiding the nightmare that some might call Heathrow, and I wouldn't like to see another quality product go the same way as MALEV Hungarian went.
I'm not interested in squabbles between London, indeed Essex, airports, I've worked at STN twice during my career and I can't stand the place, but talking as a passenger of both MALEV Hungarian and Cyprus Airways, from/to STN, all three provided the service for me.