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Old 31st Mar 2019, 14:49
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Originally Posted by Jerbourg View Post
A friend watching the pax board the first Flybe LHR flight on the airport webcam says the total load looked to be about 25/30, if he's right it's not the best start.
(If I'm wrong please correct me).
Well if its the inaugural, that means that there are only outbound passengers on the flight (ie no-one returning to GCI) so it makes sense that the flight is only half full .
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Old 31st Mar 2019, 15:36
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And it's also a Sunday so not likely to have many business travellers
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Old 31st Mar 2019, 15:41
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I don’t suppose Flybe / Stobart / Virgin will be that bothered anyway, they’re getting paid to run it and it’s using a slot that would otherwise be lost, and worth a lot of £££. Any money they get in revenue is a bonus.
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Old 31st Mar 2019, 17:37
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The route was put on sale quite late without much lead in time to sell so it’s perhaps no surprise that loads are quite light. I expect this will change in time and loads should improve.
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Old 31st Mar 2019, 17:48
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Originally Posted by Jerbourg View Post
A friend watching the pax board the first Flybe LHR flight on the airport webcam says the total load looked to be about 25/30, if he's right it's not the best start.
(If I'm wrong please correct me).
From looking at the GÇI webcam, the LHR-GCI flight had on the top side of 30 passengers.
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Old 31st Mar 2019, 20:25
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May just be a glitch but whilst trying to book a flight at the end of July I notice the GCI-BHX timings change back to more traditional times for the afternoon flight so I'm wondering if the aircraft to operate the Heathrow route will be coming into the island from elsewhere as we move further into the summer schedule
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Old 1st Apr 2019, 07:37
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Originally Posted by mullac30 View Post
Well if its the inaugural, that means that there are only outbound passengers on the flight (ie no-one returning to GCI) so it makes sense that the flight is only half full .
People do actually fly to GCI that live elsewhere you know, If you apply your logic BA would only carry outbound UK citizens on their flights from LHR!
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Old 1st Apr 2019, 07:41
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I don't think that we can read too much into the pax loads, yet. It is still early days. But, maybe Heathrow is not quite as popular nowadays to the Guernsey traveller as it used to be. Certainly, Jersey politicians are wary of the possible repercussions on the Gatwick service of having a Heathrow route. More concerning is the revelation that BEE are only" baby sitting" these slots at Heathrow (on behalf of Delta/Virgin). The likelihood is that . as soon as the parent airline wants to use them for their flights, Guernsey will lose them - & bye bye Heathrow. & the States £850k !
As I said before, you couldn't make all of this up !
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Old 1st Apr 2019, 19:13
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Originally Posted by kcockayne View Post
I don't think that we can read too much into the pax loads, yet. It is still early days. But, maybe Heathrow is not quite as popular nowadays to the Guernsey traveller as it used to be. Certainly, Jersey politicians are wary of the possible repercussions on the Gatwick service of having a Heathrow route. More concerning is the revelation that BEE are only" baby sitting" these slots at Heathrow (on behalf of Delta/Virgin). The likelihood is that . as soon as the parent airline wants to use them for their flights, Guernsey will lose them - & bye bye Heathrow. & the States £850k !
As I said before, you couldn't make all of this up !
If the politicians in the Isle of Man are telling the truth (and that can't be taken as read!), the IOM is not paying FlyBe anything for the equivalent LHR service, which should also cause some questions to be asked in Guernsey!
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 16:11
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It is all in Guernseys desperation to try an attract more tourists. Not only are the timings pretty rubbish in the grand scheme of things once you have all your baggage paid for there is very little in it as opposed to flying via Gatwick. It will become a total farce when Fog hits the Islands or LHR, it will be the first route to get the chop being classed as domestic!!!

Sorry to say this is just a white Elephant that will disappear at the end of the summer season and the only people out of pocket will be the Guernsey Government!!

What are the loads like?
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 16:44
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Originally Posted by wakeup View Post
It is all in Guernseys desperation to try an attract more tourists. Not only are the timings pretty rubbish in the grand scheme of things once you have all your baggage paid for there is very little in it as opposed to flying via Gatwick. It will become a total farce when Fog hits the Islands or LHR, it will be the first route to get the chop being classed as domestic!!!

Sorry to say this is just a white Elephant that will disappear at the end of the summer season and the only people out of pocket will be the Guernsey Government!!

What are the loads like?
There is now the new Blue Islands route to London Southend. Who knows!

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Old 4th Apr 2019, 22:00
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There is now the new Blue Islands route to London Southend. Who knows!

I am not expecting that one to last too long, either. What Guernsey, & it’s government, do not consider is the comparative lack of demand which exists. This is not a big market. They envy Jersey with its EZY fares & think that they can get the same, if only they can extend the runway & get EZY in - completely ignoring the fact that EZY are either not interested or, would only operate a max. of 2 flights per day. And, if they did, completely clear out Guernsey’s state airline, Aurigny, in the process.
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 15:08
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Originally Posted by Tonyq View Post
If the politicians in the Isle of Man are telling the truth (and that can't be taken as read!), the IOM is not paying FlyBe anything for the equivalent LHR service, which should also cause some questions to be asked in Guernsey!
I have it on very good authority that IOM have not contributed anything other than the airport discounts normally attracted by new routes. It will be interesting to see what happens as we get nearer the winter and Virgin/Delta decide what slots they need to use and what need to be "sat on" for longer, I guess if only one pair need sat on, then they will go to the highest (or only) bidder. With LHR slots achieving sale prices in the tens of millions, there surely cannot be a long term future for single daily (or any other frequency) services between LHR and the IOM or GCI, other than where they are increasingly subsidised.
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 15:20
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I seem to remember that after the Air UK drama there wwas talk whether Guernsey - instead of an airline - could own slots at LHR in order to safeguard them from getting sold off by a greedy airline,
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 15:26
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Originally Posted by virginblue View Post
I seem to remember that after the Air UK drama there wwas talk whether Guernsey - instead of an airline - could own slots at LHR in order to safeguard them from getting sold off by a greedy airline,
And the answer was no I seem to recall, which is why the Guernsey government purchased an airline.
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 17:03
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Yes, & now they are giving £850k to a competitor airline so that it can take pax away from their “state owned airline” by operating a competing service which looks like it will only run that service until the parent airline wants its slots back !
More than that, certain elements of the political class, who spent taxpayers’ money on buying AUR now want to spend millions on a runway extension designed to get a LCC operating further (unbeatable) competition for AUR on the London route . Amazing stuff ! Only in Guernsey (& I say that as a , bemused, Guernseyman !).
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 17:40
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Originally Posted by kcockayne View Post
certain elements of the political class, who spent taxpayers’ money on buying AUR now want to spend millions on a runway extension designed to get a LCC operating further (unbeatable) competition for AUR on the London route . Amazing stuff ! Only in Guernsey (& I say that as a , bemused, Guernseyman !).
Behind the populist rhetoric of a 'political class' (a silly enough idea in the UK and a frankly ludicrous one in Guernsey), I think you'll find that most of the members who want a longer runway weren't even on the States in 2003. Economic Development are adamant that they offered the route to Aurigny and the Flybe offer was 'cheaper and more resilient'. Like you I think subsidising a competitor - especially to the tune of ~£66 a seat when you include lost revenue for Aurigny - but it's worth reading the statement.

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Old 5th Apr 2019, 19:59
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Sad to see that FlyBe’s availability of E195 and E175s formed part of the decision to award the route to them when within a week of the start of the service they have announced their intention to dispose of the types!
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 20:39
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Just how is BEE’s offer going to be more resilient than AUR’s, when BEE will only have the slots used for the service until VIR/DAL want them back so as to operate a new service to the USA (next year)? For that matter, where were AUR going to get their slots for the EGLL service from ? Whilst I do have some admiration for the States trying to get this route back, I do feel that they have lost sight of the realities of Guernsey’s situation & should have researched the background to BEE’s situation & offer ; as well as demonstrating some support (other than bailing AUR out annually) to their wholly owned airline.
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 21:26
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within a week of the start of the service they have announced their intention to dispose of the types!
Only the remaining 195's are going.
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