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I'm struggling to understand why it was such a sad day for the UK when SZ got shut down, although I'm intrigued to learn more...........
Imagine, therefore, the consequences for such an area when it loses most of its air links. They are significantly greater than those faced by areas with good overland transport, and Plymouth has lost its airport entirely. SZ services have for the most part only been replaced seasonally by Flybe, with the result that routes like NQY-LBA remain totally unserved although previously very popular. Businesses are far less likely to invest in an area with poor transport links, and by consequence the economy suffers - and therefore the people suffer. That is the ultimate result.
And that is why the closing of Air Southwest was indeed a tragedy for many thousands of people in this country. If you are intrigued to learn even more, I recommend you purchase a copy of Airline Scams and Scandals (available here), which documents the orgy of back-stabbing and conflicts of interest fairly extensively.
Sutton Harbour and Eastern were both partially responsible, and it didn't require the most farsighted investor to see that SZ had potential. But instead they shut up shop, at the expense of the Cornish and the Devonians. The south-west remains one of the poorer areas of the UK, and poor transport will only blight them further when it comes to economic development.
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Couldn't of put it better myself Aero mad
Just to add to that, ex NQY compared to when SZ operated, we now nolonger have services at all to:
LBA
ABZ
DUB
ORK
GCI
JER
BRS
And we now only have seasonal services to:
GLA
MAN
Add to that, PLH is now closed
I would say that the closure of SZ was a huge loss to the country and Devon and Cornwall especially. To an area that relies so heavily on tourism not to have links to these places is terrible.
cs
Just to add to that, ex NQY compared to when SZ operated, we now nolonger have services at all to:
LBA
ABZ
DUB
ORK
GCI
JER
BRS
And we now only have seasonal services to:
GLA
MAN
Add to that, PLH is now closed
I would say that the closure of SZ was a huge loss to the country and Devon and Cornwall especially. To an area that relies so heavily on tourism not to have links to these places is terrible.
cs
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You are correct NCL is now operated once weekly on a seasonal basis by BE as apposed to daily by SZ.
GLA has also been picked up 3 or 4 times per week by Loganair as flybe
MAN has also been picked up 3 or 4 times per week by BE as apposed to twice daily under SZ and multiple weekly by bmi baby seasonally until last year.
cs
GLA has also been picked up 3 or 4 times per week by Loganair as flybe
MAN has also been picked up 3 or 4 times per week by BE as apposed to twice daily under SZ and multiple weekly by bmi baby seasonally until last year.
cs
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With an effing great bulldozer probably. And while I don't necessarily agree that this will happen, the arguement bares examination. Exempli gratia:
Look at the real estate that HUY commands, and right next to a main road five minutes from the M180. A ready made logistical dream for any business requiring large scale surface movement.
The expanding petro-chemical industry ten minutes up the road at Immingham, I've no doubt, would love to get their hands on a peice of it.
More houses.
Agriculture (some prime pasture land here). Et cetera et cetera.
Anyway, thats all academic. Humberside serves quite a large area, even if Finningly is just down the road. If RL can get his ducks all lined up, he'll be able to turn a buck for sure. Whatever you think of the man, he's very good at that. It just won't be particularly pleasant for his employees.
With an effing great bulldozer probably. And while I don't necessarily agree that this will happen, the arguement bares examination. Exempli gratia:
Look at the real estate that HUY commands, and right next to a main road five minutes from the M180. A ready made logistical dream for any business requiring large scale surface movement.
The expanding petro-chemical industry ten minutes up the road at Immingham, I've no doubt, would love to get their hands on a peice of it.
More houses.
Agriculture (some prime pasture land here). Et cetera et cetera.
Anyway, thats all academic. Humberside serves quite a large area, even if Finningly is just down the road. If RL can get his ducks all lined up, he'll be able to turn a buck for sure. Whatever you think of the man, he's very good at that. It just won't be particularly pleasant for his employees.
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hallo,
i noticed many people are talking about this company but no one replied to my simple questions i posted some weeks ago, is there anyone who could reply please?
i noticed many people are talking about this company but no one replied to my simple questions i posted some weeks ago, is there anyone who could reply please?
JimNinch, I dont think HUY is a prime piece of development land based on the failure of the current business park from getting off the ground. There is a large piece of development land close to the Humber and the A180 which has yet to get off the ground. But then Eastern are an airline, with their HQ at HUY, so unless they intended to fold themselves then I dont see why they would close down their own operating base.
Pedantics aside, I cant make a comment on what Richard lake and Bryan Huxford intend to do with the site in the long term, but I would suggest building on the runway will be a non-starter. I feel that they have seen an opportunity due to the possibility of a significant increase in helicopter passengers and demand for business flights when/if the offshore renewable energy sector takes off in the Humber region.
Pedantics aside, I cant make a comment on what Richard lake and Bryan Huxford intend to do with the site in the long term, but I would suggest building on the runway will be a non-starter. I feel that they have seen an opportunity due to the possibility of a significant increase in helicopter passengers and demand for business flights when/if the offshore renewable energy sector takes off in the Humber region.
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There were some rumours sculling around a short while ago, that he was going to turn HUY into some sort of a charter/corporate hub. This would fit with his attempts to take on more charter-type work over the past couple of years. Supposedly there are major changes coming in the new year too. We shall see.
It is very sad what happened to ASW - and it must be a terrible shock to those who joined T3, to experience the 'Eastern Way' - but at least they are still employed. Given RL's business acumen, I would have thought that he would have covered the ASW routes if they were capable of making him money. He obviously thinks that he can make more money using the aircraft and crews elsewhere. This would seem to be confirmed by the lack of anyone else jumping in, to provide a regular service.
I have never met any member flight crew at Eastern who has anything other than sympathy and best wishes to all those at ASW.
It is very sad what happened to ASW - and it must be a terrible shock to those who joined T3, to experience the 'Eastern Way' - but at least they are still employed. Given RL's business acumen, I would have thought that he would have covered the ASW routes if they were capable of making him money. He obviously thinks that he can make more money using the aircraft and crews elsewhere. This would seem to be confirmed by the lack of anyone else jumping in, to provide a regular service.
I have never met any member flight crew at Eastern who has anything other than sympathy and best wishes to all those at ASW.
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Just a few unbiased comments:-
I couldn't see ASW fitting into the EZE business plan which seems to be niche business routes at relatively expensive fares which seems to fit in with the current aircraft fleet.
I presume ASW was losing money on its operating network using a fleet of fuel hungry aircraft and maybe operating some "seasonal" routes as "all year" routes and losing a lot of money out of season.
Sutton Harbour probably wanted to close Plymouth airport, maybe because of its restricted size and lack of development potential.
Profitable routes are usually seized on by the survivors in this dog eat dog business.
I couldn't see ASW fitting into the EZE business plan which seems to be niche business routes at relatively expensive fares which seems to fit in with the current aircraft fleet.
I presume ASW was losing money on its operating network using a fleet of fuel hungry aircraft and maybe operating some "seasonal" routes as "all year" routes and losing a lot of money out of season.
Sutton Harbour probably wanted to close Plymouth airport, maybe because of its restricted size and lack of development potential.
Profitable routes are usually seized on by the survivors in this dog eat dog business.
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a significant increase in helicopter passengers and demand for business flights when/if the offshore renewable energy sector takes off in the Humber region
On the positive side the future seems to be bright for employers who treat their UK workers like s**t so maybe Eastern will do well as an airport owner.
NS
I wouldn't bank on it. There is a significant expansion in this industry off the Humber but it's not clear that they will use helicopters to any significant degree and if they do they're more likely to be EC135 size, carrying 1s and 2s for winching on to turbines. And these small helicopter maintenance activities have far less need of an airport than the current oil/gas flights, so may locate somewhere else entirely. At the same time the gas fields off the Humber are ageing and many will be closing in a few years. So the future for HUY is more likely to be - at best - replacing current offshore helicopter activity rather than expanding it.
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So the parent Company of Eastern Airways, 'Eastern Group' have acquired Humberside Airport.
Does this mean that Eastern will open some route that would sustainable with Jetstreams or Saab? Any chance we might see a London City with them now flying from their with BA IOM route? Or Dublin which attracted good number with Ryanair on their daily 738 route. (only 50% load but that 90+ pax, so a portion of that on J41 would seem workable.
EI-BUD
Does this mean that Eastern will open some route that would sustainable with Jetstreams or Saab? Any chance we might see a London City with them now flying from their with BA IOM route? Or Dublin which attracted good number with Ryanair on their daily 738 route. (only 50% load but that 90+ pax, so a portion of that on J41 would seem workable.
EI-BUD
EI BUD, doubt T3 would start any routes ex HUY under the Eastern brand.. Theyve been based there for years, and not paid for landings for years either supposidly, so I doubt they would start new routes now.
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To be fair though EGHQ, SHG didn't just lose interest in Air Southwest, didn't they also manage to lose the huge lump of cash Europe gave them to improve Plymouth Airport and the runway? It probably just fell down the back of the sofa.
I think T3 would have taken ASW on a lot earlier and probably early enough to make a go of it even if it was just out of NQY, if some tool hadn't had the bright idea to delay matters by offering the airline for tender, then having to go back cap in hand to the one person who was interested in taking it on anyway...
I think T3 would have taken ASW on a lot earlier and probably early enough to make a go of it even if it was just out of NQY, if some tool hadn't had the bright idea to delay matters by offering the airline for tender, then having to go back cap in hand to the one person who was interested in taking it on anyway...
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Weren't SHH the ones proposing a new airport for both Exeter and Plymouth a few years ago? I tend to think airports like PLH will always be subject to property developers who see more money in building on the land.. So were Eastern really to blame for the demise of both WOW and PLH?
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No. SHH inept management and ulterior motive were to blame, ably assisted in the case of PLH by Plymouth City Council.
By the way pug, nice oven gloves!
By the way pug, nice oven gloves!
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t arm..