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Anybody knows why easyjet still does not go to Canaries ? The potentiel must be HUGE From Madrid as well as from London and Berlin! I really dont know why 
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although EZY are "bending" the southwest model to fit Europe, flights to LPA, TFS and ACE from London airports and SXF just do not get the "bums on seats" required to see the equivalent revenue. In the same time an aircraft does a rotation to Canaries (8h+) it could have done at least 4 sectors if not more thus doubling the income for the same amount of Crew duty.
I'm sure they could factor this all in, but this would make it unattractive to pax. I'm sure there's the demand, esp during winter but not sure it works in the low cost model ex Northern Europe.
Ex MAD is a different matter!
I'm sure they could factor this all in, but this would make it unattractive to pax. I'm sure there's the demand, esp during winter but not sure it works in the low cost model ex Northern Europe.
Ex MAD is a different matter!
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thank you busboy.
On the other hand, an aircraft doing 2 sectors (instead of 4) eventually burns less fuel and have twice less landing fees and airport assistance, am I right ?
On the other hand, an aircraft doing 2 sectors (instead of 4) eventually burns less fuel and have twice less landing fees and airport assistance, am I right ?
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landing fees yes, but depends on how much they are, if they're cheaper at the other places then could still be cheaper.
Also with fuel doing 4 sectors could be 5-7h of fuel (although 4 t/o) compared with 8h+ fuel to canaries, without crunching some numbers I would imagine that burns could be pretty similar.
Also with fuel doing 4 sectors could be 5-7h of fuel (although 4 t/o) compared with 8h+ fuel to canaries, without crunching some numbers I would imagine that burns could be pretty similar.
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However it could be debated that easyJet could make it work as a red-eye. Something like making the aircraft leave around 9PM and get back at 5/6ish AM.
I don't see it happening right now though, easyJet have other problems than increasing aircraft utilisation (they can't complete their current flying programme). If they sort out their crewing issues, it is quite possible that such an operation will go live.
I don't see it happening right now though, easyJet have other problems than increasing aircraft utilisation (they can't complete their current flying programme). If they sort out their crewing issues, it is quite possible that such an operation will go live.
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You're quite right about 'bums on seats'. A 10 hour Canary rotation carries 300 pax. 6 times AMS carries 900 pax. A double PMI carries 600 etc. The Canaries would need to be at least 5 times per week to fit the ej model. Half the flights would be half full/empty. It would only work as twice a week, and even then the prices/profit would not be attractive. It would be cheaper for the pax to take a charter package that organise it independantly.
The red-eye idea has been tried; fly the a/c when the airfields are closed. It is a killer for crews and removes the maintenance down time needed. Many airlines have tried this as a cash-flow' solution. The lack of maintenmace killed them off anyway. It might work with a larger a/c, but the business plan is fraught with danger.
The red-eye idea has been tried; fly the a/c when the airfields are closed. It is a killer for crews and removes the maintenance down time needed. Many airlines have tried this as a cash-flow' solution. The lack of maintenmace killed them off anyway. It might work with a larger a/c, but the business plan is fraught with danger.
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A canary rotation would be around 8.5-9 hours, not 10, which isn't too far off from an Athens or Istanbul.
easyJet used to do quite a bit of red-eye and still do a little (IST [from BSL], IBZ, etc...).
That in my opinion shows that there are some benefits to not having your whole fleet be idle at night. I'm not talking about having all the aircraft in the fleet out, but looking at LGW you could easily have 2-4 aircraft out of the lot that fly out at night.
Red-eyes do have potential on long routes, just looking at what jetBlue or America West do during the night does make one think it could be pulled off here.
However like you and myself pointed out, the crewing makes such a thing unfeasible. Not only because it's a great way to anger your crew but also because easyJet don't have enough to operate their core business routes.
Also out of interest, would anyone know what the top three bases are on the whole network for profitability and yields.
A canary rotation would be around 8.5-9 hours, not 10, which isn't too far off from an Athens or Istanbul.
easyJet used to do quite a bit of red-eye and still do a little (IST [from BSL], IBZ, etc...).
That in my opinion shows that there are some benefits to not having your whole fleet be idle at night. I'm not talking about having all the aircraft in the fleet out, but looking at LGW you could easily have 2-4 aircraft out of the lot that fly out at night.
Red-eyes do have potential on long routes, just looking at what jetBlue or America West do during the night does make one think it could be pulled off here.
However like you and myself pointed out, the crewing makes such a thing unfeasible. Not only because it's a great way to anger your crew but also because easyJet don't have enough to operate their core business routes.
Also out of interest, would anyone know what the top three bases are on the whole network for profitability and yields.
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operating red-eyes potentially compromises the first wave otp allowing delays from a previous day to compromise the next one. That said I'm sure we could get away with a few. Canaries from the UK ain't gonna happen. They would need to increase the MTOW's for a start. Anyway are there not already enough charter carriers already floggin cheap seats to TFS?
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easyJet has made some red eye flights work. I flew a night Athens flight for 3 years, departing LTN 2230 and returning 0830 the next morning. The loads were always very good. The return leg left ATH at 0600 local time, which was a morning departure for the passengers, even though it felt like the middle of the night for the crew.
As mentioned, if we returned late, the next mornings first wave depature was affected. Also, it was very unpopular with most of the crew. Most importantly, it was a very inefficient use of crew, as it took up two days duty to operate 2 sectors, as you were requirred to take a lot of rest under the FTL rules afterwards. Crew are too valuable a resource too spare for red eye flights at easyJet, especially after this summer.
As mentioned, if we returned late, the next mornings first wave depature was affected. Also, it was very unpopular with most of the crew. Most importantly, it was a very inefficient use of crew, as it took up two days duty to operate 2 sectors, as you were requirred to take a lot of rest under the FTL rules afterwards. Crew are too valuable a resource too spare for red eye flights at easyJet, especially after this summer.
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ezpz, it didn't help that the a/c was on the ground in ATH for 2-3 hours. If we had left there earlier, would have given a bit of breathing space in the schedule.
I used to hate doing those flights, the hardest part was staying awake on the way home!!!
And do you remember the PMI that reported at 0145? Vile!!!
I used to hate doing those flights, the hardest part was staying awake on the way home!!!
And do you remember the PMI that reported at 0145? Vile!!!
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easyJet Pisa route back by popular demand
easyJet, Europe's leading low-fares airline, is to reinstate its Bristol to Pisa route from 18 January 2007. The route, which was originally launched in July 2005, was intended to be a summer only destination however due to popular demand easyJet will recommence operations early this winter to become a year-round offering.
Initially operating three times weekly during the winter, the service will increase to a daily flight from the end of March 2007. The airline carried over 54,000 passengers last summer on the Pisa route and expects this to increase to over 70,000 passengers throughout 2007.
Katie Stitson, easyJet Marketing Manager for Bristol, said:
"It’s great news that our Bristol to Pisa route has proved so popular that we will now be operating it all year round. easyJet has expanded significantly from Bristol Airport in the last few years and now offers a significant choice of routes across Europe. We continue to be committed to further expansion from the region and look forward to offering even more in the near future"
Tony Hallwood, Bristol International’s Aviation Development Director said;
"We are pleased that easyJet have introduced winter flights to the popular Italian gateway of Pisa. This year-round link to Tuscany is vital for both business and leisure passengers, and should prove a great success. Moreover, the increasing number of South West overseas property owners will welcome the introduction of easyJet’s winter flights to Tuscany as it provides quick and easy access to Florence, Siena and Pisa."
Easyjet press release
easyJet, Europe's leading low-fares airline, is to reinstate its Bristol to Pisa route from 18 January 2007. The route, which was originally launched in July 2005, was intended to be a summer only destination however due to popular demand easyJet will recommence operations early this winter to become a year-round offering.
Initially operating three times weekly during the winter, the service will increase to a daily flight from the end of March 2007. The airline carried over 54,000 passengers last summer on the Pisa route and expects this to increase to over 70,000 passengers throughout 2007.
Katie Stitson, easyJet Marketing Manager for Bristol, said:
"It’s great news that our Bristol to Pisa route has proved so popular that we will now be operating it all year round. easyJet has expanded significantly from Bristol Airport in the last few years and now offers a significant choice of routes across Europe. We continue to be committed to further expansion from the region and look forward to offering even more in the near future"
Tony Hallwood, Bristol International’s Aviation Development Director said;
"We are pleased that easyJet have introduced winter flights to the popular Italian gateway of Pisa. This year-round link to Tuscany is vital for both business and leisure passengers, and should prove a great success. Moreover, the increasing number of South West overseas property owners will welcome the introduction of easyJet’s winter flights to Tuscany as it provides quick and easy access to Florence, Siena and Pisa."
Easyjet press release
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What is all this pre-occupation with folks trying to get easyjet to operate flights to the Canaries, they have made such a hash of things over the Summer operating small sectors.
Easyjet need to concentrate on getting customer satisfaction back, my regular easyjet Newcastle to Bristol flight was cancelled so many times over the summer that until they get their act together won't be getting my business back and I used to use them twice a week every week. From what folks here are telling me I am not alone in feeling like this. This is particularly bad news for easy at Newcastle as Jet2 are going to be flying the same routes next summer. Based on the bad experience folks have had this summer I think Jet2 will be picking up a lot of these unhappy folks.
Easyjet need to concentrate on getting customer satisfaction back, my regular easyjet Newcastle to Bristol flight was cancelled so many times over the summer that until they get their act together won't be getting my business back and I used to use them twice a week every week. From what folks here are telling me I am not alone in feeling like this. This is particularly bad news for easy at Newcastle as Jet2 are going to be flying the same routes next summer. Based on the bad experience folks have had this summer I think Jet2 will be picking up a lot of these unhappy folks.
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I concur with the last post. I was the victim of two short notice return cancellations from BRS in the summer - one to NCL.
easyJet still don't seem to be operating normally, at least not from my local at BRS.
For instance, their web timetable shows Rome, Murcia and Venice as operating daily throughout the winter.
A quick check with the booking engine, however, reveals that in November Rome isn't being flown on Tuesdays and Thursdays, Murcia isn't being flown on Mondays, Wednesdays or Fridays and Venice not on Tuesdays.
There may be other routes not operating to timetable as well. I only checked these three.
If you only intend to operate part weekly at certain times of the year why not show it in the timetable?
Inverness has already been announced as only going part week in November, although it was originally timetabled as daily.
As for the re-instated BRS-Pisa flight, easyJet say it was only intended as a summer route, yet they flew it 3 x weekly last winter from BRS, and only took it off at the beginning of this month.
They are now to reinstate it in January. Weren’t they aware of the "popular demand" before they took it off?
easyJet still don't seem to be operating normally, at least not from my local at BRS.
For instance, their web timetable shows Rome, Murcia and Venice as operating daily throughout the winter.
A quick check with the booking engine, however, reveals that in November Rome isn't being flown on Tuesdays and Thursdays, Murcia isn't being flown on Mondays, Wednesdays or Fridays and Venice not on Tuesdays.
There may be other routes not operating to timetable as well. I only checked these three.
If you only intend to operate part weekly at certain times of the year why not show it in the timetable?
Inverness has already been announced as only going part week in November, although it was originally timetabled as daily.
As for the re-instated BRS-Pisa flight, easyJet say it was only intended as a summer route, yet they flew it 3 x weekly last winter from BRS, and only took it off at the beginning of this month.
They are now to reinstate it in January. Weren’t they aware of the "popular demand" before they took it off?