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Originally Posted by lm06
could someone define "interlining" for this amateur
So, if you want to take a return flight from Cork to Riga, a flight that leaves Cork for Prague in the morning and one that comes back in the evening gives you the maximum possibility for connnections in Prague.
The Aer Lingus Cork-Prague flights don't arrive until around 8 pm, which is far too late to connect on from Prague.
Also, not all airlines allow it e.g. Ryanair and BMIBaby don't
Currently, the connecting traffic from Cork tends to use Heathrow, Amsterdam, Paris, Prague or Budapest
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All fairness TOT would you get on an ATR for a flight to Prague from Cork???
You might as well have left yesterday to arrive tomorrow. And the way the weather has been for the last few days especially over europe the ATR would have been blown back to Prague with the wind and never made Cork!!
Lets hope CSA stays
You might as well have left yesterday to arrive tomorrow. And the way the weather has been for the last few days especially over europe the ATR would have been blown back to Prague with the wind and never made Cork!!
Lets hope CSA stays
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PS - The free downloadable travel guide to Cork on Ryanair's website is available in English and Swedish. Pity though that we have no Swedish route to speak of...
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Autumn/Winter Timetables from Cork
Just seen Wizzair are introducing a new Katowice timetable from 30th October. Much earlier flights which should prove more popular. Does anyone know how this route is doing?
Also BMI Baby are introducing daily flights from Cork-Durham Tees Valley. Was this in anticipation of Jet2 dropping Cork-Newcastle? How will the route fare now Jet 2 have decided to continue? Also new Birmingham timetable with earlier flights which seem to place them even more directly in competition with AerLingus. Manchester also gets much earlier flights but there are now 2 flights on a sunday. It will be interesting to see how these new flight times will affect passenger numbers.
Also BMI Baby are introducing daily flights from Cork-Durham Tees Valley. Was this in anticipation of Jet2 dropping Cork-Newcastle? How will the route fare now Jet 2 have decided to continue? Also new Birmingham timetable with earlier flights which seem to place them even more directly in competition with AerLingus. Manchester also gets much earlier flights but there are now 2 flights on a sunday. It will be interesting to see how these new flight times will affect passenger numbers.
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The daily flights to Durham-Tees Valley were because BMI Regional dropped Leeds-Bradford. As part of the same group, they'd have been able to anticipate that. They might not have anticipated Aer Arann going on to the route.
Only half a speed-brake
Although it is quite possible you guys have more in-depth knowledge than me I have to say that as CSA employees we had been presented with official chop list for winter 06/07 and Cork is not on it.
At least the rumor says that the ski charters are awaiting.
FD.
At least the rumor says that the ski charters are awaiting.
FD.
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The rumor in Cork is that the ski flight to Gerona is to be operated by BMI this coming winter with an Airbus A321. Rumor only so far as it would be great to see the CSA A321 again at Cork. Time will tell.
Anyone have any news on how today's discussions in Prague are going to try and save the CSA service to Cork? It is going to be terrible if this super service is lost so let us hope for a strong performance by the Cork team.
The situation is almost as serious for Cork Airport as it is for the Cork hurling team in next Sunday's All Ireland Hurling Final against Kilkenny in Dublin. Fingers crossed for the right results!
Anyone have any news on how today's discussions in Prague are going to try and save the CSA service to Cork? It is going to be terrible if this super service is lost so let us hope for a strong performance by the Cork team.
The situation is almost as serious for Cork Airport as it is for the Cork hurling team in next Sunday's All Ireland Hurling Final against Kilkenny in Dublin. Fingers crossed for the right results!
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There is an announcement on the Czech Airlines website that the route has been pulled, but it's dated August 28th. However, after they've publicly said they're leaving it, it will take some persuasion to get them to hang on.
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Czech Airlines to discontinue its service to Cork
Prague, 28 August 2006
Czech Airlines (ČSA) has decided to discontinue its regular service between Prague and Cork, Ireland. The Czech national carrier will fly its last scheduled flight from Prague to Cork on 7 January 2007, with the return flight from Cork to Prague on 8 January 2007. As of that date, ČSA will no longer operate this flight and will use the free capacity primarily to enhance service to eastern destinations.
“Our goal is to respond flexibly to changes in the aviation market. That is why we very carefully evaluate the effectiveness of each route. From this point of view, the Cork route did not meet our expectations, and Czech Airlines’ management decided, rather, to use the airplanes in places in which it sees potential,” said Zdeněk Brettschneider, Executive Director, Sales Suppport.
The Prague – Cork – Prague route, introduced by ČSA in April 2003, has been flown six times a week, by Boeing B737-500 medium-haul planes.
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Prague, 28 August 2006
Czech Airlines (ČSA) has decided to discontinue its regular service between Prague and Cork, Ireland. The Czech national carrier will fly its last scheduled flight from Prague to Cork on 7 January 2007, with the return flight from Cork to Prague on 8 January 2007. As of that date, ČSA will no longer operate this flight and will use the free capacity primarily to enhance service to eastern destinations.
“Our goal is to respond flexibly to changes in the aviation market. That is why we very carefully evaluate the effectiveness of each route. From this point of view, the Cork route did not meet our expectations, and Czech Airlines’ management decided, rather, to use the airplanes in places in which it sees potential,” said Zdeněk Brettschneider, Executive Director, Sales Suppport.
The Prague – Cork – Prague route, introduced by ČSA in April 2003, has been flown six times a week, by Boeing B737-500 medium-haul planes.
Daniela Hupáková
ČSA Spokesperson
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Thats weird?
The press release before the announcement of the cancelation is about the new terminal? Why talk about how great it is for CSA passengers to use it and then cancel the route.
Maybe they hadn't decided.
The press release before the announcement of the cancelation is about the new terminal? Why talk about how great it is for CSA passengers to use it and then cancel the route.
Maybe they hadn't decided.
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The simple fact is that EI will just carry low cost point to point weekenders to Prague. The loss of CSA is the most disappointing development for many years at Cork. A lot of hard painstaking work went in to attracting them here in the first place. It shows what can happen when you take your eye off the ball.
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Fanatic 1 - on the contrary i am not an advocat of SNN. The point I am making is one which nobody can deny. Since last year's change in senior managment at ORK 4 carriers have left Cork Airport, the first longhaul charter service has again been cancelled and traffic looks set to be at a loss for 07. This all coupled with the move into a new terminal? I have followed the progress of ORK for many years and it is with great disappointment that I see what is happening now. When I ask what is the brief of the new Marketing team I am merely questioning the apparent shift away from route development. I am fully aware how one measures traffic through airports but if you look at predicted traffic movements for 2007 one has to assume a major drop in traffic for next year.
Easyjet - a loss of 3 flights a day
Ryanair - down to 1 flight a day to LGW, 4 flights a week to LPL, 3 flights a day to STN and 3/4 flights a day to DUB.
Czech - a loss of 6 flights a week
BMI Regional - a loss of 4 flights a week
Jet2 - down to 2 flights a week
Loganair - a loss of 5 services a week
The facts cannot be denied.
Easyjet - a loss of 3 flights a day
Ryanair - down to 1 flight a day to LGW, 4 flights a week to LPL, 3 flights a day to STN and 3/4 flights a day to DUB.
Czech - a loss of 6 flights a week
BMI Regional - a loss of 4 flights a week
Jet2 - down to 2 flights a week
Loganair - a loss of 5 services a week
The facts cannot be denied.
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I too at times wonder at the functionality of the Marketing Department, and also the whole leadership of the CAA. They do seem to have totally lost the plot and dont realise that but for Airlines and passengers they would be NO reason to be there.
Whilst I'm totally disappointed at the losses of routes and airlines, maybe it might take that to make them "WAKE UP" and see reality.
As for the losses, of course whilst any losses are totally unacceptable, you also have to look at the pluses.
Aerlingus to Birmingham, Berlin, Madrid, Prague & Tenerife (14 flts per week)
Wizz Air to Katowice & Gdansk ( 5/6 flts per week)
Centralwings to Wroclaw & Krakow (4 flts per week)
Aer Arann New flights to Galway & Leeds (10 flts per week)
Aer Arann Increase in schedules Dublin Bristol & Edinburgh (12 flts per week)
I hope there will not be any further losses and if some of the rumours I have heard are true then there might be more gains.
Whilst I'm totally disappointed at the losses of routes and airlines, maybe it might take that to make them "WAKE UP" and see reality.
As for the losses, of course whilst any losses are totally unacceptable, you also have to look at the pluses.
Aerlingus to Birmingham, Berlin, Madrid, Prague & Tenerife (14 flts per week)
Wizz Air to Katowice & Gdansk ( 5/6 flts per week)
Centralwings to Wroclaw & Krakow (4 flts per week)
Aer Arann New flights to Galway & Leeds (10 flts per week)
Aer Arann Increase in schedules Dublin Bristol & Edinburgh (12 flts per week)
I hope there will not be any further losses and if some of the rumours I have heard are true then there might be more gains.
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Yes I totally agree alot of Airlines have pulled out over the summer, we have seemed to have forgoten about British Airways CitiExpress left too last year, but half of all of those routes that airlies have pulled out on I don't understand why? The Glasgow route was meant to have very good loads, so was the Prague, the East Midlands route that BMI Baby droped just last year, Jet2 should be making a profit if Newcastle airport is nearer but they aren't keeping the fares as low as you sould like, so Durham TeesVal gets the vote because it's near and the costs are low, Ryanair should be operating in there instead of Newcastle on account of be in of costs.
Lets just hope that the rumours about AA, Continental and Delta are true a daily I'm not too sure about AA but the other are meant to be in talks with the CAA which would be fantastic after our previous attempts and disapointments of T/A operations may come true and if we get a r/w extension and parralel taxiway we may get more cargo and take some traffic off EINN, that would be the main objective.
Lets just hope that the rumours about AA, Continental and Delta are true a daily I'm not too sure about AA but the other are meant to be in talks with the CAA which would be fantastic after our previous attempts and disapointments of T/A operations may come true and if we get a r/w extension and parralel taxiway we may get more cargo and take some traffic off EINN, that would be the main objective.
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hate to state the obvious but if the marketers or the managers aren't doing their jobs...as one might expect a normal business outfit to do...it's because there is no incentive for them to do that.
how many executive staff are employed at cork - can't be more than 5 surely !...fellas in charge on the ground, not in dublin
how many executive staff are employed at cork - can't be more than 5 surely !...fellas in charge on the ground, not in dublin
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T/A from cork.
Hmmm yes it would be great to attract AA to either BOS or NY on a 757. I see that on wikipedia that northwest are commencing services to SNN and DUB as of next year on a 757 once again an interesting monoply 
DL to NY would be a great option too or CO.
DL to NY would be a great option too or CO.
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Well there are rumours about NW starting to Detroit next year. From EIDW and EINN but anybody can edit Wikpedia it's been edited quite alot and half of the stuff are rumours and it's really stupid, cause nothing has been confirmed and when people here things they put it down and make everybody believe what they think is true, it drives me crazy somebody edited the Cork Airport link on it and said the capacity was 5million when it's not it's only three million. Then somebody from the EICK forum had to go and edit it and make it all right again.
Well I could imagine AA starting a route in there to Boston, Continental to Newark and Delta to Atlanta, maybe after that Aer Lingus might show interest in T/A operations but at the moment they aren't really interested. But EINN will lose out on alot of routes when the Stop Over is lifted, Is the AF 747-200F that goes in every Saturday afternoon a fuel stop?
Well I could imagine AA starting a route in there to Boston, Continental to Newark and Delta to Atlanta, maybe after that Aer Lingus might show interest in T/A operations but at the moment they aren't really interested. But EINN will lose out on alot of routes when the Stop Over is lifted, Is the AF 747-200F that goes in every Saturday afternoon a fuel stop?