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Yes, a great post by Brian Dromey summing up the scene now at Cork which can still go a long way to attract new business of all sorts and yet not be totally dependent on the presence of Ryanair and Aer Lingus.
The Mrs and I have just returned home after giving our last salute to the old terminal today. As tempted as I am to attend in the early hours of tomorrow morning for the last outbound flight which will be the Wizz Air flight to Katowice it was good to be there this afternoon to see the old terminal at her best so full of outbound pax boarding flights to Rome, Gatwick, Alicante, Durham Tees Valley, Dublin etc. Saying that, of course, the place was in the usual mess which we have come to take for granted in the last few years but for those of us whom love Cork Airport it is the end of quite an era. Never again will Cork people be afforded what has been a long, fine local tradition of coming to our airport to greet and wave farewell to our airport's passengers from the Liberty Stream Balcony with it's excellent panoramic views of the North Ramp and of runway 17/35. We have the late Airport Manager, Mr Barry Roche to thank for that great facility and we remember him in salute today.
We have now a quality new terminal at Cork which will be fully operational from tomorrow and it is indeed great progress but the closing of the old terminal is also a time of sadness and that is the price we pay along with the ending of all the old unique Cork traditions. So, it is time to bid Adieu to our faithful old friend, the old terminal, and to thank you for all the many, many memories.
The Mrs and I have just returned home after giving our last salute to the old terminal today. As tempted as I am to attend in the early hours of tomorrow morning for the last outbound flight which will be the Wizz Air flight to Katowice it was good to be there this afternoon to see the old terminal at her best so full of outbound pax boarding flights to Rome, Gatwick, Alicante, Durham Tees Valley, Dublin etc. Saying that, of course, the place was in the usual mess which we have come to take for granted in the last few years but for those of us whom love Cork Airport it is the end of quite an era. Never again will Cork people be afforded what has been a long, fine local tradition of coming to our airport to greet and wave farewell to our airport's passengers from the Liberty Stream Balcony with it's excellent panoramic views of the North Ramp and of runway 17/35. We have the late Airport Manager, Mr Barry Roche to thank for that great facility and we remember him in salute today.
We have now a quality new terminal at Cork which will be fully operational from tomorrow and it is indeed great progress but the closing of the old terminal is also a time of sadness and that is the price we pay along with the ending of all the old unique Cork traditions. So, it is time to bid Adieu to our faithful old friend, the old terminal, and to thank you for all the many, many memories.
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Farewell to Cork's Old Terminal?
Well said Tom but in this business never say never. Who would have thought in the late 1970's and throughout the 1980's that the old terminal in Dublin would be brought back into use.
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I never thought I'd say this but after looking at the terminal this morning and taking a few pictures it reminded me of the good times I had and bad from when I was a small child it's a shame to see it go. It closes tonight for the last time at least for a while so goodbye Cork I hope I see you open in the futture again some day.
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Arrived in today on the flight from Berlin. Was impressed, but have to head back out now to get a better look. Airport was dead quiet really Just one noticable departure for Palma while I was there.
All backpacks didn't come out with the regular baggage but on a seperate "oversize baggage" conveyor belt.
Which mean me and about 5 Germans were left thinking our luggage had got lost.
I suppose I'll know for next time....
Flight 60% full.
Half Irish, half German, some Polish...
Just one noticable departure for Palma while I was there.All backpacks didn't come out with the regular baggage but on a seperate "oversize baggage" conveyor belt.
Which mean me and about 5 Germans were left thinking our luggage had got lost.
I suppose I'll know for next time....
Flight 60% full.
Half Irish, half German, some Polish...
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The large terminal certainly makes the airport appear to be quieter. The landside floor space is smaller than one might have anticipated.
The likelihood is that passengers will head airside quickly after check in as there is hardly a seat to be found apart from those in the food court and restauarant.
The Subway restuarant is the big success story so far with staff availing of it in a big way.
The develoment of a cargo area in the 40 acres and the demolition of the 3 Cargo warehouses to the north of the new terminal has gone to the top of the agenda.
Runway extension and parallel taxiways not on the horizon at present.
However a breakthrough on open skies could change that.
The likelihood is that passengers will head airside quickly after check in as there is hardly a seat to be found apart from those in the food court and restauarant.
The Subway restuarant is the big success story so far with staff availing of it in a big way.
The develoment of a cargo area in the 40 acres and the demolition of the 3 Cargo warehouses to the north of the new terminal has gone to the top of the agenda.
Runway extension and parallel taxiways not on the horizon at present.
However a breakthrough on open skies could change that.
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Originally Posted by ryan2000
The develoment of a cargo area in the 40 acres and the demolition of the 3 Cargo warehouses to the north of the new terminal has gone to the top of the agenda.
Runway extension and parallel taxiways not on the horizon at present.
However a breakthrough on open skies could change that.
Runway extension and parallel taxiways not on the horizon at present.
However a breakthrough on open skies could change that.
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Was indisposed yesterday but have since heard that Cork's only airbridge remains out of action until at least next weekend. A part of it called the auto-leveller is down. You would have thought the CAA would have checked out something like that before the kick-off on Tuesday? Heavens, what will it ever be like if the People's Airbridges come to be installed after public subscription? Dare not think!
Did you all spot the ommission in the CAA diagram of the new terminal area in yesterday's Irish Examiner? The covered walkway between the multi-storey cark and the new terminal is left out and may help to explain in part why so many unattended cars are regularly being left in front of the new forecourt much to the consternation of the new management team at Cork. A big order is expected soon for new clamps! Who needs easyJet when you can clamp a few cars!
Cork's premier handler are having a tough time of it at the moment too as they are very much compromised as to their two way radio use. All the transmitting equipment is at the old terminal and the CAA are not too keen on any unsightly looking aerials being rigged to the new terminal. It would make you wonder what kind of business the CAA like to think from which they are making their bread and butter? Core values, please, ladies and gentlemen! It is not all car parks, charges and new clamps!
Anyway, it is gonna cost about €6,000 to put right which is a tidy sum in anyone's language. Finally, late breaking news this afternoon is that the Egypt series of flights to SSH have been cancelled by tour operator, Panorma Tours. What a pity. It would have been great for Cork to have had an exotic charters series for once to complement all the capacity there is to the Canary Islands. Another one bites the dust without getting off the ground like New York and Dubai! Do Cork people have any imagination at all or is it all Santa Ponsas and Lanzarotes!?
Did you all spot the ommission in the CAA diagram of the new terminal area in yesterday's Irish Examiner? The covered walkway between the multi-storey cark and the new terminal is left out and may help to explain in part why so many unattended cars are regularly being left in front of the new forecourt much to the consternation of the new management team at Cork. A big order is expected soon for new clamps! Who needs easyJet when you can clamp a few cars!
Cork's premier handler are having a tough time of it at the moment too as they are very much compromised as to their two way radio use. All the transmitting equipment is at the old terminal and the CAA are not too keen on any unsightly looking aerials being rigged to the new terminal. It would make you wonder what kind of business the CAA like to think from which they are making their bread and butter? Core values, please, ladies and gentlemen! It is not all car parks, charges and new clamps!
Anyway, it is gonna cost about €6,000 to put right which is a tidy sum in anyone's language. Finally, late breaking news this afternoon is that the Egypt series of flights to SSH have been cancelled by tour operator, Panorma Tours. What a pity. It would have been great for Cork to have had an exotic charters series for once to complement all the capacity there is to the Canary Islands. Another one bites the dust without getting off the ground like New York and Dubai! Do Cork people have any imagination at all or is it all Santa Ponsas and Lanzarotes!?
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Egyptian flop
Interesting to know what spin will be put on this setback .
Boston 2001 blame the Foot and Mouth
Israel charters 2003 blame a skirmish about a thousand miles away!
New York 2005/6 blame the price of oil.
Egypt 2006/7, I suppose the volatile situation in Southern Lebanon would do as an excuse.
Only problem is that these events have little or no impact on long haul traffic from Shannon and Dublin.
Seriously, there is no point in launching exciting new destinations from Cork unless the tour operator's are prepared to give them time to work.
Boston 2001 blame the Foot and Mouth
Israel charters 2003 blame a skirmish about a thousand miles away!
New York 2005/6 blame the price of oil.
Egypt 2006/7, I suppose the volatile situation in Southern Lebanon would do as an excuse.
Only problem is that these events have little or no impact on long haul traffic from Shannon and Dublin.
Seriously, there is no point in launching exciting new destinations from Cork unless the tour operator's are prepared to give them time to work.
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Originally Posted by Charlie Roy
Flight 60% full.
Half Irish, half German, some Polish...
Half Irish, half German, some Polish...
In contrast, I flew in from Amsterdam on Friday night (only 3 spare seats on the aircraft) and back on Sunday night (only 1 spare seat). Judging by what I (or more precisely my employer) paid, the yield is pretty good there too.
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i must say that i'm a bit shock that no airline announced any major new routes with the opening of the new terminal. I was convinced that FR, RE or EI would but alas, no such luck
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Saw in one of Cork's throwaway newspapers that there is speculation Cork will be left with a debt of about €60 million as it's share of the cost of the new terminal. The paper is referring to an interview it had with Mr Noel O'Flynn TD, Fianna Fail in which it is reported that he is pushing Minister for Transport, Martin Cullen TD to pay for the original €140 million construction costs of the new terminal and that the remaining over-run of about €60 should be paid by the CAA as a soft option lease.
This is a completely unacceptable option from my point of view as Cork will still be crippled by repayments for years and years to come with local Cork people bearing the brunt of the costs in unfairly high charges and taxes. If this is the line the government and the DAA want to take with Cork maybe the next thing should be to lay off some of the CAA staff rather than lose more passengers and airlines?
Either that or start having a real killer instinct in the business sense like Shannon has had in having many U.S. trooping flights and bizjets passing through for fuel down the years. Instead of having a loony approach of agreeing to suicide deals with the likes of Ryanair as Bernard Allen TD, Fine Gael would have Cork do by giving them the old terminal for next to nothing why not spend a small amount of cash tidying it up a bit and introduce it as a top of the range corporate/general aviation terminal and go all out as vigorously as possible to go after a share of the transatlantic bizjet traffic and even some of the military flights? Shell could get involved and maybe bear some of the developments costs etc? They all ready make a packet out of Cork anyway with their monopoly on fuel.
Back to basics now. There was a huge electrical storm in the Cork area around teatime today. The airport got a good lash of it and the lightning knocked out the VOR, the ILS to 35 along with the approach lights. Don't think the runway lights were effected and the viz remained good during the showers but a bmi baby 737 was in the hold for about 40 minutes before finally following in the Ryanair 737 from Dublin that was also in the hold for a while. At least there were no diversions this time no doubt much to the annoyance of the crowd from the midwest!
If Bernard Allen TD of Fine Gael wants to use the airport as part of his electioneering campaign for next year's General Election why not be positive and get involved in a call for a CATIII ILS, more ramp and more runway instead of waffling on about what Ryanair can offer the airport if they get everything for free like the old terminal. What is galling though is that if they wanted Ryanair could at at the drop of a hat show a gesture of good will towards Cork and very easily introduce a new British or European service from anywhere at all at around three a week. Look at how well their profile would be raised in the public's mind in Cork.
This is a completely unacceptable option from my point of view as Cork will still be crippled by repayments for years and years to come with local Cork people bearing the brunt of the costs in unfairly high charges and taxes. If this is the line the government and the DAA want to take with Cork maybe the next thing should be to lay off some of the CAA staff rather than lose more passengers and airlines?
Either that or start having a real killer instinct in the business sense like Shannon has had in having many U.S. trooping flights and bizjets passing through for fuel down the years. Instead of having a loony approach of agreeing to suicide deals with the likes of Ryanair as Bernard Allen TD, Fine Gael would have Cork do by giving them the old terminal for next to nothing why not spend a small amount of cash tidying it up a bit and introduce it as a top of the range corporate/general aviation terminal and go all out as vigorously as possible to go after a share of the transatlantic bizjet traffic and even some of the military flights? Shell could get involved and maybe bear some of the developments costs etc? They all ready make a packet out of Cork anyway with their monopoly on fuel.
Back to basics now. There was a huge electrical storm in the Cork area around teatime today. The airport got a good lash of it and the lightning knocked out the VOR, the ILS to 35 along with the approach lights. Don't think the runway lights were effected and the viz remained good during the showers but a bmi baby 737 was in the hold for about 40 minutes before finally following in the Ryanair 737 from Dublin that was also in the hold for a while. At least there were no diversions this time no doubt much to the annoyance of the crowd from the midwest!
If Bernard Allen TD of Fine Gael wants to use the airport as part of his electioneering campaign for next year's General Election why not be positive and get involved in a call for a CATIII ILS, more ramp and more runway instead of waffling on about what Ryanair can offer the airport if they get everything for free like the old terminal. What is galling though is that if they wanted Ryanair could at at the drop of a hat show a gesture of good will towards Cork and very easily introduce a new British or European service from anywhere at all at around three a week. Look at how well their profile would be raised in the public's mind in Cork.
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Old baggage belt
If CAA demolish the old baggage belts for outgoing passengers they could park another 738/320 type in stand 4.
At present the largest aircraft that can park there is a 733 due to IAA regulations.
At present the largest aircraft that can park there is a 733 due to IAA regulations.
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quoting from para 3 of Tom's below.....
"Either that or start having a real killer instinct in the business sense like Shannon has had in having many U.S. trooping flights and bizjets passing through for fuel down the years. Instead of having a loony approach of agreeing to suicide deals with the likes of Ryanair as Bernard Allen TD, Fine Gael would have Cork do by giving them the old terminal for next to nothing why not spend a small amount of cash tidying it up a bit and introduce it as a top of the range corporate/general aviation terminal and go all out as vigorously as possible to go after a share of the transatlantic bizjet traffic and even some of the military flights? Shell could get involved and maybe bear some of the developments costs etc? They all ready make a packet out of Cork anyway with their monopoly on fuel."
hear hear ! TTT for CAA ceo !
"Either that or start having a real killer instinct in the business sense like Shannon has had in having many U.S. trooping flights and bizjets passing through for fuel down the years. Instead of having a loony approach of agreeing to suicide deals with the likes of Ryanair as Bernard Allen TD, Fine Gael would have Cork do by giving them the old terminal for next to nothing why not spend a small amount of cash tidying it up a bit and introduce it as a top of the range corporate/general aviation terminal and go all out as vigorously as possible to go after a share of the transatlantic bizjet traffic and even some of the military flights? Shell could get involved and maybe bear some of the developments costs etc? They all ready make a packet out of Cork anyway with their monopoly on fuel."
hear hear ! TTT for CAA ceo !
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Originally Posted by Tom the Tenor
Back to basics now. There was a huge electrical storm in the Cork area around teatime today. The airport got a good lash of it and the lightning knocked out the VOR, the ILS to 35 along with the approach lights. Don't think the runway lights were effected and the viz remained good during the showers but a bmi baby 737 was in the hold for about 40 minutes before finally following in the Ryanair 737 from Dublin that was also in the hold for a while. At least there were no diversions this time no doubt much to the annoyance of the crowd from the midwest!
If Bernard Allen TD of Fine Gael wants to use the airport as part of his electioneering campaign for next year's General Election why not be positive and get involved in a call for a CATIII ILS, more ramp and more runway instead of waffling on about what Ryanair can offer the airport if they get everything for free like the old terminal. What is galling though is that if they wanted Ryanair could at at the drop of a hat show a gesture of good will towards Cork and very easily introduce a new British or European service from anywhere at all at around three a week. Look at how well their profile would be raised in the public's mind in Cork.
If Bernard Allen TD of Fine Gael wants to use the airport as part of his electioneering campaign for next year's General Election why not be positive and get involved in a call for a CATIII ILS, more ramp and more runway instead of waffling on about what Ryanair can offer the airport if they get everything for free like the old terminal. What is galling though is that if they wanted Ryanair could at at the drop of a hat show a gesture of good will towards Cork and very easily introduce a new British or European service from anywhere at all at around three a week. Look at how well their profile would be raised in the public's mind in Cork.
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Sory lads I couldn't get it out in one
What has been said on the official CAE forum: We won't get a r/w extension for the simple reason we don't need one. For the moment a B757 can take off and that would mean Continental or AA could come in so could United and NW though I doubt any of them will.
I don't think the cargo development is going ahead either?
Last year the paralell taxiway got turned down because if you look where the club is if any heavies come in, it'll tear the roof off, so what was suggested to me by a friend is that if the cargo development gets built that the club should beput in right next to it it makes sense cause if the light a/c come out they can just turn to the left or the right and take off, it's genius that idea and I'm surprised nobody in the DAA or CAA thought of it.
Originally Posted by ryan2000
The develoment of a cargo area in the 40 acres and the demolition of the 3 Cargo warehouses to the north of the new terminal has gone to the top of the agenda.
Runway extension and parallel taxiways not on the horizon at present.
However a breakthrough on open skies could change that.
Runway extension and parallel taxiways not on the horizon at present.
However a breakthrough on open skies could change that.
I don't think the cargo development is going ahead either?
Last year the paralell taxiway got turned down because if you look where the club is if any heavies come in, it'll tear the roof off, so what was suggested to me by a friend is that if the cargo development gets built that the club should beput in right next to it it makes sense cause if the light a/c come out they can just turn to the left or the right and take off, it's genius that idea and I'm surprised nobody in the DAA or CAA thought of it.
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Oh right, but no the VOR was not available cause he asked the controller about diverting to EINN by saying "We think we might look at our options about diverting to EINN because you have no approach."