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Conflicting reports about Cork seem to be doing the rounds. On the one hand Easyjet, CSA,Loganair and BMI Baby are either leaving or cutting back while rumours are rife that both EI and Ryanair are planning to expand from there very shortly.
Latest prediction is that the airport will not reach the 3million mark for 2006 which will be a major dissapointment.
Latest prediction is that the airport will not reach the 3million mark for 2006 which will be a major dissapointment.
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On the subject of lost routes, Aer Arann are not operating Newquay, Nantes or Lorient for the Winter.
Hopefully, we'll see them return next summer.
Nantes is a particular pity becaue with Ryanair not operating Nantes-Shannon for a period, there was probably a bit of business to be picked up.
Hopefully, we'll see them return next summer.
Nantes is a particular pity becaue with Ryanair not operating Nantes-Shannon for a period, there was probably a bit of business to be picked up.
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Were any of you listening to the local radio, 96FM, in Cork this morning? I was working and missed out on it myself but the boss's wife whom heard a few minutes said there was a hell for leather discussion about the airport on the Neil Prendeville Show for a good while this morning.
There were people ringing in and texting with their stories and complaints about the new Cork Airport. Among other things some of the topics included passengers off of 3 flights on one day last week having to wait up to 1.5 hours for their baggage all of which was delivered to just one carousel. That is just a little too long?
Another was how a deaf and blind man and his wheelchair bound wife arriving from the UK were left to their own devices in the arrivals hall and only for the help of another fellow passenger they might still be there now! Now, I know the handler probably did their little bit but after that does the CAA have any other duty towards their more needy passengers or is a smile and some words of kindness just too expensive to buy at an airport whose charges are all ready on the high side?
There was a rep from bmi baby on and it seems the company are keen to try the new airbridge but they might as well be waiting until the cows come home at Cork Airport for that to happen! There were complaints from people not being able to see out to their loved ones arrive and depart like was possible in the old terminal but it is just too late now to do anything about that, isn't it?
The airside area between the boarding gates and the passageway is said to be too narrow to let people pass by up and down to other gates, the shops and the bar etc. It was suggested that there are not enough toilets in the new terminal and the lack of more men's urinals came in for special notice! You'll just have to hold your beer, men!
What galled the host of the show, Neil Prendeville, was the lack of comment from Cork Airport on the matters and the line being spun is it is not the airport's policy to discuss operational issues and from a throway newspaper in Cork this week it looks like it is deemed a security risk to discuss whether the sole airbridge is working or not!
Uniquely Cork or wha'? Does anyone know if an on-line version of this show is available? I'd say it'd be a scream to listen to!
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There were people ringing in and texting with their stories and complaints about the new Cork Airport. Among other things some of the topics included passengers off of 3 flights on one day last week having to wait up to 1.5 hours for their baggage all of which was delivered to just one carousel. That is just a little too long?
Another was how a deaf and blind man and his wheelchair bound wife arriving from the UK were left to their own devices in the arrivals hall and only for the help of another fellow passenger they might still be there now! Now, I know the handler probably did their little bit but after that does the CAA have any other duty towards their more needy passengers or is a smile and some words of kindness just too expensive to buy at an airport whose charges are all ready on the high side?
There was a rep from bmi baby on and it seems the company are keen to try the new airbridge but they might as well be waiting until the cows come home at Cork Airport for that to happen! There were complaints from people not being able to see out to their loved ones arrive and depart like was possible in the old terminal but it is just too late now to do anything about that, isn't it?
The airside area between the boarding gates and the passageway is said to be too narrow to let people pass by up and down to other gates, the shops and the bar etc. It was suggested that there are not enough toilets in the new terminal and the lack of more men's urinals came in for special notice! You'll just have to hold your beer, men!
What galled the host of the show, Neil Prendeville, was the lack of comment from Cork Airport on the matters and the line being spun is it is not the airport's policy to discuss operational issues and from a throway newspaper in Cork this week it looks like it is deemed a security risk to discuss whether the sole airbridge is working or not!
Uniquely Cork or wha'? Does anyone know if an on-line version of this show is available? I'd say it'd be a scream to listen to!
Stone mad!
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This weeks wet weather will help Corkonians wake up to the fact that they will continue to get drenched due to the failure of the DAA to install airbridges and walkways.
Of course there is little point in spending more money on airbridges if we can't repair and operate the one that's there.
Further more the Discount cards for the Car Parks have been out of order for almost a month. Car Park attendants couldn't be more helpful. It's most unfair that these young people listen to irate customers for something that's totally outside their control.
What are the DAA and the CAA doing about these issues? When is Cullen going to make his mind up about the debt?
It's about time that the media highlighted the worsening situation at Cork Airport.
Of course there is little point in spending more money on airbridges if we can't repair and operate the one that's there.
Further more the Discount cards for the Car Parks have been out of order for almost a month. Car Park attendants couldn't be more helpful. It's most unfair that these young people listen to irate customers for something that's totally outside their control.
What are the DAA and the CAA doing about these issues? When is Cullen going to make his mind up about the debt?
It's about time that the media highlighted the worsening situation at Cork Airport.
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Moreover, someone with "the control" should have taken action on this situation ages ago if that's the case!
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Hmm. I heard the airport has reached 2.27 million yesterday, but they still mightent reach the 3million mark. Predictions at the start of the year said that it would be 3.1million but it looks like it wont even make 3million now.
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Tom - Sounds like the gang on the radio had a good natter about developments up at the airport on the hill. The point about the lack of urinals is one that particularly amuses me. Whenever I go through the airport, there is always a line of arriving pax waiting to go for a 'wazz' but thoughtfully the new airport's designers decided in their wisdom that three urinals is more than enough. An absolute disgrace, and one of many absurdities in Cork.
I think the time is fast approaching when people say enough is enough and revolt. Who is the airport being run for - the employees, the unions, or the passengers? And how long can pax be fleeced in the name of a service that quite clearly does not exist.
Re immigration, a friend recently had to go through the usual security check before boarding the AerArann to Dublin, and on arrival had to line up and go through the lenghty immigration line! The boys on duty got very offended when he told them that they should be down at the train station as well, checking arrivals off the Cork-Dublin train. Next thing we know, we will have immigration checks at the county bounds. Farcical in the extreme.
Given that the DAA (and their minnions at Cork and Shannon) are obviously incompetent in almost every aspect of running an airport, they should be relinquished of their responsibilities and the management of the airports should be contracted out to someone who is willing to at least make an effort to do the job properly.
I think the time is fast approaching when people say enough is enough and revolt. Who is the airport being run for - the employees, the unions, or the passengers? And how long can pax be fleeced in the name of a service that quite clearly does not exist.
Re immigration, a friend recently had to go through the usual security check before boarding the AerArann to Dublin, and on arrival had to line up and go through the lenghty immigration line! The boys on duty got very offended when he told them that they should be down at the train station as well, checking arrivals off the Cork-Dublin train. Next thing we know, we will have immigration checks at the county bounds. Farcical in the extreme.
Given that the DAA (and their minnions at Cork and Shannon) are obviously incompetent in almost every aspect of running an airport, they should be relinquished of their responsibilities and the management of the airports should be contracted out to someone who is willing to at least make an effort to do the job properly.
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Airbridges and covered walkways are not going to be installed in the forseeable future. In any case, as the airport has been in operation for over forty years and this year will see a record number of passengers using the facility, it is hard to see how the absence of airbridges has affected its performance.
A number of airports are abandoning the use of airbridges to cater for the LoCo airlines e.g. Pier A at Dublin where FR and increasingly EI base their operations and Pier H at AMS. In most cases the walk from the terminal to the plane is the same distance as that in ORK.
Don't know if there is a study showing that tourists are avoiding the Cork region due to the absence of airbridges or covered walkways at ORK.
As the glass in the old terminal was tinted on the outside, seem to recall that passengers were unable to see their relatives frantically waving at them when boarding.
A number of airports are abandoning the use of airbridges to cater for the LoCo airlines e.g. Pier A at Dublin where FR and increasingly EI base their operations and Pier H at AMS. In most cases the walk from the terminal to the plane is the same distance as that in ORK.
Don't know if there is a study showing that tourists are avoiding the Cork region due to the absence of airbridges or covered walkways at ORK.
As the glass in the old terminal was tinted on the outside, seem to recall that passengers were unable to see their relatives frantically waving at them when boarding.
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So Ryanair are apparently cancelling Prestwick to Eindhoven and replacing the service by Prestwick to Derry.
No offence to Derry but I think Ryanair could have put the aircraft to better use and introduce Prestwick to Cork now that our Glasgow service is gone...
No offence to Derry but I think Ryanair could have put the aircraft to better use and introduce Prestwick to Cork now that our Glasgow service is gone...
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Airbridges and covered walkways are not going to be installed in the forseeable future. In any case, as the airport has been in operation for over forty years and this year will see a record number of passengers using the facility, it is hard to see how the absence of airbridges has affected its performance.
A number of airports are abandoning the use of airbridges to cater for the LoCo airlines e.g. Pier A at Dublin where FR and increasingly EI base their operations and Pier H at AMS. In most cases the walk from the terminal to the plane is the same distance as that in ORK.
A number of airports are abandoning the use of airbridges to cater for the LoCo airlines e.g. Pier A at Dublin where FR and increasingly EI base their operations and Pier H at AMS. In most cases the walk from the terminal to the plane is the same distance as that in ORK.
Secondly, I regularly walk to distant stands (esp for the AerArann flights to Dublin) and whilst I don't object to walking, I do object to a lenghty walk in the wind and rain with absolutley no protection from the elements (and many pax at ORK are travelling onwards so have no change of clothes for the duration of their journey). So while the CAA will argue it is the airlines responsibility and the airlines say it is the CAA responsibilty, the pax continue to pay airport charges, fees, exorbitant parking charges, overpriced food....and still get pissed on!
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When will it be finished ?
If you manage to spend almost €200M on a new terminal, car parks and roads - you would think that perhaps a manager would have spent a day walking around the airport terminal and grounds and making sure that it looked the part. This has clearly not been the case.
The Car Parks in Cork Airport are not finished. There are bits of rubbish, building materials, bollards, and temporary signage all over the place. Some lights are not working, barriers are blocking access, one lifts in the short term car park has been out of order since it opened and another doesn't look like it's even been installed. The pay points are not all in working condition and some parts of the place look like they haven't been cleaned since it opened.
There is a portacabin stuck next to the short term car park and and empty office in the car park being used as a store.
These are small items that detract from what should be a really good facility. They don't cost anything much to fix but left unresolved create a poor first impression.
The terminal itself is fairly well laid out and does look like a 21st century airport (barring the problems and issues with the airbridges). But we've settled for an expensive nearly finshed airport project - minus the new tower, minus the walkway to the old terminal, minus 3 airbridges.
And how do we advertise this new facility - With a poor website redesign (compared to DUB & SNN) and radio advertising proclaming that it is now harder for a child to get lost in the new terminal !!
One wonders if the same professionalism is being applied to route development and retention ....
I would be happy if somebody could tell me that I'm wrong !
The Car Parks in Cork Airport are not finished. There are bits of rubbish, building materials, bollards, and temporary signage all over the place. Some lights are not working, barriers are blocking access, one lifts in the short term car park has been out of order since it opened and another doesn't look like it's even been installed. The pay points are not all in working condition and some parts of the place look like they haven't been cleaned since it opened.
There is a portacabin stuck next to the short term car park and and empty office in the car park being used as a store.
These are small items that detract from what should be a really good facility. They don't cost anything much to fix but left unresolved create a poor first impression.
The terminal itself is fairly well laid out and does look like a 21st century airport (barring the problems and issues with the airbridges). But we've settled for an expensive nearly finshed airport project - minus the new tower, minus the walkway to the old terminal, minus 3 airbridges.
And how do we advertise this new facility - With a poor website redesign (compared to DUB & SNN) and radio advertising proclaming that it is now harder for a child to get lost in the new terminal !!
One wonders if the same professionalism is being applied to route development and retention ....
I would be happy if somebody could tell me that I'm wrong !
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the choice of LDY-PIK may have to do with flight time - that they can squeeze in a quickie to Derry but routing to Cork would exceed the available time freed up on the rotation.
the choice of LDY-PIK may have to do with flight time - that they can squeeze in a quickie to Derry but routing to Cork would exceed the available time freed up on the rotation.
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Ya, PIK-LDY is a really short sector alright! I'm wondering is it Ryanair's shortest route ever?
However, Prestwick to Eindhoven was cancelled and then in place of that service, this Derry service was launched. Eindhoven and Cork are similar flying distances from Prestwick, so it could have worked
Anyway, at the end of the day, I don't begrudge Derry this new route, and I'm happy for them
Ya, PIK-LDY is a really short sector alright! I'm wondering is it Ryanair's shortest route ever?
However, Prestwick to Eindhoven was cancelled and then in place of that service, this Derry service was launched. Eindhoven and Cork are similar flying distances from Prestwick, so it could have worked
Anyway, at the end of the day, I don't begrudge Derry this new route, and I'm happy for them
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hmm....this place has been quiet for a while...
News that Scheduled services from Cork-Gibraltar will start in march.
God, last week the A380 was planning to come to Cork and film Approaches because it can not land in Cork (i hope yee all knew that).
Would have been great. It came to Shannon yesterday.
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News that Scheduled services from Cork-Gibraltar will start in march.
God, last week the A380 was planning to come to Cork and film Approaches because it can not land in Cork (i hope yee all knew that).
Would have been great. It came to Shannon yesterday.
They get all the action.
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Fanatic.... To shoot approaches means to attempt an approach but then not continue with it (not to film it). Doubt they would have done them though to be honest, It's only wee ole cork 
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A380 and Cork
The Cork runway is the same width as Shannon so the A380 should be capable of landing there unless the length at Cork is the issue. The turning circle at the 35 end was widened two years ago.
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No actually hafez, Airbus were going to film the A380 landing in the horible weather at Cork.
See Airbus website.
Cant post link because I've alreday got two warnings from the mods.
Go to press releases.
And ryan2000. I think the length of the cork runway is too short.
Wish it was longer. I know, I know we dont need an extension!
Any experts no the minimum landing length for the A380?
See Airbus website.
Cant post link because I've alreday got two warnings from the mods.
Go to press releases.
And ryan2000. I think the length of the cork runway is too short.
Wish it was longer. I know, I know we dont need an extension!
Any experts no the minimum landing length for the A380?