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I also have a number of friends affected by the withdrawal of this service. For example one guy who flies regularly Cork to Stuttgart via Prague
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Excel Airways announcing this deal yesterday
http://www.unison.ie/irish_independe...issue_id=14600
sorry for slight off-topic (as usual)....what does he mean by a "broking airline" half way through the article
that link needs a free subscription so here's the sentence.....
" he added over the weekend that the Excel group had much more vaunted plans for its new Irish service in the years ahead. "Within five years I expect to be the top broking airline in Ireland."
http://www.unison.ie/irish_independe...issue_id=14600
sorry for slight off-topic (as usual)....what does he mean by a "broking airline" half way through the article
that link needs a free subscription so here's the sentence.....
" he added over the weekend that the Excel group had much more vaunted plans for its new Irish service in the years ahead. "Within five years I expect to be the top broking airline in Ireland."
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I assume he means a wet-lease carrier, i.e. one that sells capacity to tour operators, other airlines, etc rather than directly to Joe Public.
This is what would hitherto have been called a "charter carrier" but these days the charter boys are all relabelling themselves "leisure carriers" and selling seat-only.
His reference to being the "top broking airline in Ireland" in a couple of years thus translates as "We're going to be bigger than Eirjet and bigger than Aer Lingus's/Futura's/Flyjet's Irish charter operations."
This is what would hitherto have been called a "charter carrier" but these days the charter boys are all relabelling themselves "leisure carriers" and selling seat-only.
His reference to being the "top broking airline in Ireland" in a couple of years thus translates as "We're going to be bigger than Eirjet and bigger than Aer Lingus's/Futura's/Flyjet's Irish charter operations."
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Bad night for Cork last night with Wizzair diverting to Shannon and Aer Arann 466 (i think) diverting to Kerry. 466 was circling for 30 minutes and at 12:20 they decided to try an approach to see if the rvr would go to at leats 600 but it remained at 500 to 550 for the approach which forced them to go to Kerry. The Wizzair didn't even attempt the approach as it was only CAT1 rated (strange for an a320) and requested busses to bring pax from cork to shannon. The worst thing was that the minute 466 was handed off to Shannon the RVR went upto 600 and got better throughout the night then with callsign "K320" landing with a CAT1 approach at an rvr of 600.......
It's going to be a long winter if it stays like this. I can see Wizzair changing to Shannon fulltime if they will have to divert nearly every flight. Why did they choose a flight time of so late anyway
It's going to be a long winter if it stays like this. I can see Wizzair changing to Shannon fulltime if they will have to divert nearly every flight. Why did they choose a flight time of so late anyway
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Cork weather
Can't imagine WIZZ having to divert nearly every flight ! Amazing that the based Ryanair aircraft hasn't diverted once since 24th November last. The trick when holding at Cork is to patient as the RVR does fluctuate and rarely stays below CAT 2 limits for very long.
Aircraft which bring enough fuel to hold generally though not always get in.
Airlines which send aircraft and crews to Cork that are not CAT 2 compliant are only storing up trouble for themselves.
Aircraft which bring enough fuel to hold generally though not always get in.
Airlines which send aircraft and crews to Cork that are not CAT 2 compliant are only storing up trouble for themselves.
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The Czech Airlines announcement that they are pulling out of Cork has gone from the website. Wishful thinking or maybe there's some hope?
As regards the weather in Cork and airlines flying CAT I. How many days a year would you fail to get into Shannon on CAT I? The weather up there isn't exactly brilliant and while they have better navigation aids, it doesn't really matter if the airline is unable to use them.
As regards the weather in Cork and airlines flying CAT I. How many days a year would you fail to get into Shannon on CAT I? The weather up there isn't exactly brilliant and while they have better navigation aids, it doesn't really matter if the airline is unable to use them.
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Good news! Check the CSA booking engine, you can book flight for February and March and April and June and July and August of 2007!
Just not in september or nov, oct or dec. Its probably that they don't let you book that far ahead.
YIPPEE! YIPPEE!
Looks like they are staying after all!
Maybe they are going to try it again!
Just not in september or nov, oct or dec. Its probably that they don't let you book that far ahead.
YIPPEE! YIPPEE!
Looks like they are staying after all!
Maybe they are going to try it again!
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No Chance of CSA returning
Lads what are you on about? There is no chance that CSA are returning most airlines delete there press realeases when bad news comes up, Ryanair deleted there press realease after they droped from a supposed three flights a day to one, but then again I never saw it? easyJet when they announced their press realease I saw it only to see 2 days later it was gone, same with Loganair, BA CitiExpress I didn't even here they discontinued flights, and again same with BMI Regional, BMI Baby to EMA and so on so forth, this is bull sh*t someone is spreading rumours when there is no need to.
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OK, fof those of you who dont know what an airline broker does, here goes. The broker, e.g XL, agrees to find capacity for an IT company(these are usually smaller, independant companies) and then scours the market for that capacity. XL will then contract an airline to operate these services. Air Malta charters are a good example of this, Air Malta has an agreement to supply 2x A320s to XL, it is then XLs liability to fill this capacity.
Earlier on there was mention that perhaps there were some new route announcement to be made? Can anyone elaborate?
Earlier on there was mention that perhaps there were some new route announcement to be made? Can anyone elaborate?
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New Routes
Cork are sending 4 people to the Routes Conference in Dubai so maybe that will generate some new business.
We're looking at negative growth for 2007 if things stay as they are with Easyjet,BMI Regional, Loganair and CSA gone and Ryanair back to just one a day on Gatwick.
The 4th EI 320 based here should provide some additional capacity for the 1st six months of the year but not enough to counter the negatives.
We're looking at negative growth for 2007 if things stay as they are with Easyjet,BMI Regional, Loganair and CSA gone and Ryanair back to just one a day on Gatwick.
The 4th EI 320 based here should provide some additional capacity for the 1st six months of the year but not enough to counter the negatives.
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Its down to visibility and crew/aircraft/rwy certification. Once the vis (rvrs) drop less than 550m cat II becomes active.
Generally during low vis operations the aircraft will do an auto land so its a very much monitored approach...allas not for Cork which from a pilots perspective is a dump. The approach is very undullating that the aircraft tend to flare early and land deep if the automatics are left in so we have to disconnect at the latest 80 ft which is a crook of sh@te as it defeats the ideology of the appr in low vis. This leaves its own challenges murking round in low vis trying to get a snap shot of how close the rwy is to you before ones buries it or floats, there is a hump on the 1000ft point on 17 and then it goes away from you ....not easy when the rvrs are 300m and your in fast moving fog as in cross winds and cloud on the deck assoc with cork.
Have to say its not one of my favourite approachs.....beamish in Cork, a balti in the indian palace and treats in the english market you cant beat!
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so as landings go it's a tough one at cork ?
what would the cost be to flatten the rwy in those offending places to then allow cat II and III equipment / conditions ?
surely not that much over 10yr period ?
so the crew have to be rated for such types of landings and not all are...have i got that right ?
what would the cost be to flatten the rwy in those offending places to then allow cat II and III equipment / conditions ?
surely not that much over 10yr period ?
so the crew have to be rated for such types of landings and not all are...have i got that right ?
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its not just smoothening a hump and putting in a piece of equipment for CAT3,its the actual airport too,there has to be CAT3 rated fire facilities,CAT3 holds on the apron etc etc the list is endless.It will never happen at cork.
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Thanks for that Beatcat and EI-Mick....sounds like building the airport on the top of a hill was not exactly an enlightened decision. Some things have always struck me about the airport....firstly, the way fog can descend on the airport within minutes, and then just as quickly disappear again! Secondly, the slope on the runway is quite visible from the terminal. And finally, has anyone ever noticed that they (ATC I presume) switch off the runway lights after every departure and arrival. I could understand it if there were only a few movements a day. Surely the electricity bill is not the issue
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Thats odd?
asianfly
Weird I say. On average there is a take-off or landing every 11 minutes according to world airport facts March and July 2006. Trying to save up for the money that was spent on the new terminal .
(I presume)
Weird I say. On average there is a take-off or landing every 11 minutes according to world airport facts March and July 2006. Trying to save up for the money that was spent on the new terminal .
(I presume)