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Maybe BA were a bad example, how about Eastern's pax? I was just trying to make the point about pax types, you can't just quote a little bit of what I said it needs to be all taken into account.
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July CAA stats
The latest CAA stats for July show:
EUROPEAN FLIGHTS - SCHEDULED
BRU - down by 19% to 4408 pax but not surprising as SN have dropped one flight per day. Still better than other UK regional airports.
CPH - down by 1% to 2889. I can't believe we're losing this route!!
NCE - down by 8% to 7114 pax.
CDG - up by 8% to 17623.
SXF - down by 22% to 6041.
DUS - up by 11% to 1630.
HAJ - down by 20% to 3076.
ORK - 3637 pax in July versus 2860 pax in June so good improvement.
DUB - up by 32% to 14136.
BGY - down by 51% to 4532 mainly due to FR cutting frequency.
PSA - 3181 pax in July vs 2507 pax in June so good improvement.
CIA - up by 1% to 7173.
AMS - up by 38% to 32052 mainly due to Jet2 starting on the route.
FAO - 5508 Scheduled pax carried. No comparison data.
BCN - up by 2% to 7884.
MAH - 2069 scheduled pax in July versus 1654 scheduled pax in June.
BGO - 3470 scheduled pax in July versus 2440 scheduled pax in June.
TRF - 5477 scheduled pax in July versus 4499 scheduled pax in June.
GVA - down 34% to 5381. Reduced frequency.
PRG - up 1% to 7899.
BUD - down 41% to 4490. Reduced frequency on route.
DOMESTIC FLIGHTS - SCHEDULED
LGW - up by 13% to 22596.
LHR - down 11% to 40340.
LCY - 1467 pax. No comparison data.
STN - down 7% to 25707.
ABZ - up 37% to 2200.
BFS - up 14% to 20786.
BHX - up 1% to 2192.
BRS - down 3% at 21211.
CWL - down 11% to 1568.
EXT - up 24% to 5435.
INV - 276 pax. No comparison data.
IOM - down 16% to 687.
SOU - up 16% to 11760
EUROPEAN FLIGHTS - SCHEDULED
BRU - down by 19% to 4408 pax but not surprising as SN have dropped one flight per day. Still better than other UK regional airports.
CPH - down by 1% to 2889. I can't believe we're losing this route!!
NCE - down by 8% to 7114 pax.
CDG - up by 8% to 17623.
SXF - down by 22% to 6041.
DUS - up by 11% to 1630.
HAJ - down by 20% to 3076.
ORK - 3637 pax in July versus 2860 pax in June so good improvement.
DUB - up by 32% to 14136.
BGY - down by 51% to 4532 mainly due to FR cutting frequency.
PSA - 3181 pax in July vs 2507 pax in June so good improvement.
CIA - up by 1% to 7173.
AMS - up by 38% to 32052 mainly due to Jet2 starting on the route.
FAO - 5508 Scheduled pax carried. No comparison data.
BCN - up by 2% to 7884.
MAH - 2069 scheduled pax in July versus 1654 scheduled pax in June.
BGO - 3470 scheduled pax in July versus 2440 scheduled pax in June.
TRF - 5477 scheduled pax in July versus 4499 scheduled pax in June.
GVA - down 34% to 5381. Reduced frequency.
PRG - up 1% to 7899.
BUD - down 41% to 4490. Reduced frequency on route.
DOMESTIC FLIGHTS - SCHEDULED
LGW - up by 13% to 22596.
LHR - down 11% to 40340.
LCY - 1467 pax. No comparison data.
STN - down 7% to 25707.
ABZ - up 37% to 2200.
BFS - up 14% to 20786.
BHX - up 1% to 2192.
BRS - down 3% at 21211.
CWL - down 11% to 1568.
EXT - up 24% to 5435.
INV - 276 pax. No comparison data.
IOM - down 16% to 687.
SOU - up 16% to 11760
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Judging by those figures, it doesn't really surprise me that certain routes are being cut, even though some of the drops are due to reduced frequency. Nice to see some vast improvement on certain routes, some of them showing that seasonal routes can actually work, as long as the airline adapts the route to the season. Interesting to see how routes perform over the winter, including the new Jet2 flights to KRK and CMF, as well as established routes.
What is happening with Thomsonfly and their ontime performance? They have suffered again over the past 48 hours, a big difference compared with their previous OTP performance - bring back the Britannia name! Would actually be interested to know how the charter carriers are performing in terms of OTP at NCL this summer, so far. I have a feeling it would be interesting reading.
What is happening with Thomsonfly and their ontime performance? They have suffered again over the past 48 hours, a big difference compared with their previous OTP performance - bring back the Britannia name! Would actually be interested to know how the charter carriers are performing in terms of OTP at NCL this summer, so far. I have a feeling it would be interesting reading.
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sorry this is abit random but... if a service to JFK or EWR was to be announced from NCL for spring 2007, it would roughly be around this time or in a couple of months... so how likely is it that this route is going to be announced? and which airline is most likely to operate it?
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I somehow think that NCL won't get a New York service anytime soon, however I think that it would most probably come from Globespan or Continental. I know which one I would prefer 
, however I have heard that GSM have lost interest in NCL, so who knows, anything could happen.
, however I have heard that GSM have lost interest in NCL, so who knows, anything could happen.
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I can see this saga running for some yet. I'm sure that CO & DL ? have done their homework as regards NCL as a new route, but unless they have spare 757's chasing new routes & are prepared to take a considerable risk in an environment that is hardly becoming less ' risk averse' then the time is not yet right.
For me there is also the over looked question, why when things were looking up some 18 months ago or thereabouts, with CO undoubtedly the more likely candidate to add further UK routes, did they allow AA to ostensibly move into NCL ?
Finally I must reluctantly, from the infra-structure side, now question as to wheter NCL has the spare capacity to support such an operation. Even access & parking are becoming ever more problematic, reflecting a combination of lack of land and investment that is necessary, on top of that currently being expended on the much mooted new control tower & proposed hotel development.
Oh......! & no one will ever convince me that NCL would not significantly benefit from further airbridges.
Anyway who actually wants to travel to NYC at this time ?
For me there is also the over looked question, why when things were looking up some 18 months ago or thereabouts, with CO undoubtedly the more likely candidate to add further UK routes, did they allow AA to ostensibly move into NCL ?
Finally I must reluctantly, from the infra-structure side, now question as to wheter NCL has the spare capacity to support such an operation. Even access & parking are becoming ever more problematic, reflecting a combination of lack of land and investment that is necessary, on top of that currently being expended on the much mooted new control tower & proposed hotel development.
Oh......! & no one will ever convince me that NCL would not significantly benefit from further airbridges.
Anyway who actually wants to travel to NYC at this time ?
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I have just been on the SN Brussels airline site to book a flight to Brussels from Newcastle in May, and found that they have upped the number of flights from 2 to 3. Departures from Newcastle are 06.35, 08.15 and 16.30.
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BGY-NCL together with the BGY-LPL were routes that Ryanair had decided to close and to replace with other from BGY base, but to the last minute had a change of mind and were both confirmed.
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looking at pax figures this yr to last. if you work out the same days last year to this year are the figures not close if not better for milan?
12 flights was it during the month.
12 flights was it during the month.
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HH6702 how and where have you heard this? Could it just be a slot replacing the currently operated Air Transat weekly YYZ service?
From Airports Of The World magazine:
Also says that the airport have been approached by a number of new operators, who could they be and what new routes? Possibly something else from Jet2? What other markets are left for NCL?
Also:
Maybe the supposed slots from GSM are YYZ, SFB, CUN....however the possibilities are endless. Dubai, I think is a long long way off for NCL.
The magazine article also says that the airport are trying to attract big freight operations. Could NCL see the arrival of DHL, FedEx, UPS etc with large freight a/c. This attraction is due to expansion on number of stands, apron space with 3 new stands being operational early next year.
Maybe expansion at NCL is about to start quickly again.
From Airports Of The World magazine:
Discussions are ongoing with a number of airlines regarding short-haul network expansion and new routes for Summer 2007 will be announced towards the end of this year.
Also:
Dubai remains a big target for the airport
Another is the popular Mexican resort of Cancun....a "big wish" for the airport
The magazine article also says that the airport are trying to attract big freight operations. Could NCL see the arrival of DHL, FedEx, UPS etc with large freight a/c. This attraction is due to expansion on number of stands, apron space with 3 new stands being operational early next year.
Maybe expansion at NCL is about to start quickly again.
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TCX to YYZ is a new flight nothing to do with globespan
canadian affairs is one of many new operators to ncl for summer 2007.
GSM will being some flights but not sure where yet.
globespan may use Zoom to replace TS
canadian affairs is one of many new operators to ncl for summer 2007.
GSM will being some flights but not sure where yet.
globespan may use Zoom to replace TS
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skyman771 if the airport are serious in trying to attract freight operators then it may not be "irrational fantasisng". However looking back on that post maybe NCL could never sustain the likes of DHL, UPS etc but smaller freight operators with smaller aircraft could well be attracted.
And yes, the TCX YYZ service is a brand new flight with a brand new charter operator for NCL, Canadian Affair using Canadian based 757 aircraft, in 187 config (?). The Globespan chartered flight will still run, but with whom is anyones guess. NCL could sustain a regular, not daily though, YYZ service. Its been done before. TS years ago used to operate 2 x weekly and the defunct Canada 3000 also had a weekly charter. Maybe operators could consider a number of other Canadian destinations - sorry is that irrational fantasising again??!!!
However if the airport are in discussions regarding new shorthaul routes with short haul operators, what could they be, lets throw that question open to everyone.................?
And yes, the TCX YYZ service is a brand new flight with a brand new charter operator for NCL, Canadian Affair using Canadian based 757 aircraft, in 187 config (?). The Globespan chartered flight will still run, but with whom is anyones guess. NCL could sustain a regular, not daily though, YYZ service. Its been done before. TS years ago used to operate 2 x weekly and the defunct Canada 3000 also had a weekly charter. Maybe operators could consider a number of other Canadian destinations - sorry is that irrational fantasising again??!!!
However if the airport are in discussions regarding new shorthaul routes with short haul operators, what could they be, lets throw that question open to everyone.................?
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Banjul
Cancun
Goa
Dubai
Taba
Hurghada
Stockholme
Frankfurt
Hamburg
munich
Cologne
spilt
dubrovnik
tallinn
The list could go on and on and on.
So what abut airlines
Wizz
germanywings
Air Berlin
sky europe
That list could go on ans on also
Any new routes and airlines would be good
Cancun
Goa
Dubai
Taba
Hurghada
Stockholme
Frankfurt
Hamburg
munich
Cologne
spilt
dubrovnik
tallinn
The list could go on and on and on.
So what abut airlines
Wizz
germanywings
Air Berlin
sky europe
That list could go on ans on also
Any new routes and airlines would be good
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Stick my neck out here, in my opinion you won't see any of those airlines flying into NCL within the next 2 years. As for the destinations prehaps 2. I posted a while back that the airport were trying desperately to get a Cancun, but nobody would do it.
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Most likely out of that list is probably a charter to Hurghada. Having said that, charter companies seem to be reluctant to introduce 'different' charter destinations out of NCL. Maybe if they took a risk, it could work, same for the likes of DBV, SPU etc.
Hopefully the discussions the airport are having are serious and far advanced and NCL could be in for another bumper year of pax numbers, though with expansion at a little steadier pace.
Nice to see another airbridge being added, though I'm sure it has been discussed here already but airlines don't seem too keen to use them at NCL. Indeed with the exception of BA and TOM, it is used very little for other airlines. Are only Swissport despacthers trained on its use? Easy/ryan/Jet2 certainly wouldn't be interested as it lengthens loco turnarounds!
What would be nice to see in say 10 years is a truely international airport with two piers, fully equipped with jettys with charter, full service and loco carriers parked, flying to a full range of destinations both business and leisure. A thought or reality...............
Hopefully the discussions the airport are having are serious and far advanced and NCL could be in for another bumper year of pax numbers, though with expansion at a little steadier pace.
Nice to see another airbridge being added, though I'm sure it has been discussed here already but airlines don't seem too keen to use them at NCL. Indeed with the exception of BA and TOM, it is used very little for other airlines. Are only Swissport despacthers trained on its use? Easy/ryan/Jet2 certainly wouldn't be interested as it lengthens loco turnarounds!
What would be nice to see in say 10 years is a truely international airport with two piers, fully equipped with jettys with charter, full service and loco carriers parked, flying to a full range of destinations both business and leisure. A thought or reality...............
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Maybe the second air-bridge is for use by a company we don't know about yet. Any new long haul operator to New York/ Dubai etc would certainly need this equipment for their passengers.
Other threads on pprune are suggesting that Delta might be interested in a JFK - NCL route as part of their transatlantic expansion plans (which are to be announced in November).
Other threads on pprune are suggesting that Delta might be interested in a JFK - NCL route as part of their transatlantic expansion plans (which are to be announced in November).