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Only a couple of rumours which have been repeated here such as
Glasgow and Paris.
However I think BHX is thinking more like new destinations, Rome (ex BA)
has been mentioned, in fact Italy is absolutely pathetic from BHX with
just two BA 145's to MXP.
For summer there must be room for Rome, Pisa & Venice and if they
are after Bacon, MXP.
Also BHX is still a bit weak on ex Eastern block flights and Prague
could probably take two a day as well at the moment.
All good stuff for once unless BACON announce another round
of cuts or seat reductions (these RJ100's just keep slipping away).
Pete
Glasgow and Paris.
However I think BHX is thinking more like new destinations, Rome (ex BA)
has been mentioned, in fact Italy is absolutely pathetic from BHX with
just two BA 145's to MXP.
For summer there must be room for Rome, Pisa & Venice and if they
are after Bacon, MXP.
Also BHX is still a bit weak on ex Eastern block flights and Prague
could probably take two a day as well at the moment.
All good stuff for once unless BACON announce another round
of cuts or seat reductions (these RJ100's just keep slipping away).
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I see a couple of Wizz Minibuses have diverted to Brum tonight due to the runway closure at Luton. I know Wizz have diverted to Brum several times in the past so it appears to be their alternate should Luton be unavailable. Will we ever see them operating scheduled passenger services to BHX? They certianly have an interesting route structure
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Considering the number of times they divert in and the lack of
Eastern European destinations from BHX you would expect a few
rumours but I can't say that I have heard any credible ones.
Centralwings, LOT and even Malev were rumoured a couple of
years ago but not Wizz.
Perhaps the infamous BHX landing fees have kept them away
on a more permanent basis.
Pete
Considering the number of times they divert in and the lack of
Eastern European destinations from BHX you would expect a few
rumours but I can't say that I have heard any credible ones.
Centralwings, LOT and even Malev were rumoured a couple of
years ago but not Wizz.
Perhaps the infamous BHX landing fees have kept them away
on a more permanent basis.
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Talking of Eastern European services
Per CAA provisional stats for August: -
BHX-KRK 2177 pax or 121 per flight, 81% load factor.
Shame SkyEurope cease for 6 weeks until mid December.
Not sure how much money was made in August as there were offers, I believe
but at least an improvement.
Will Baby be looking East with their new routes?
Pete
BHX-KRK 2177 pax or 121 per flight, 81% load factor.
Shame SkyEurope cease for 6 weeks until mid December.
Not sure how much money was made in August as there were offers, I believe
but at least an improvement.
Will Baby be looking East with their new routes?
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BMI Baby summer 2007 partial release
Alicante, Bordeaux, Malaga, Nice & Palma released for summer 2007.
Obviously no new routes yet but certainly some major changes in respect
of times.
The Alicante and Malaga on a Monday - Friday has barely changed within
a 30 minute time span since 7/1/05.
However Malage now departs at 6am (Palma at 6.05am) which is 50
minutes earlier than the first departure now on a Monday - Friday.
Hopefully (for Joe public if not the crew) this is to fit in plenty of
new destinations.
Any news on potential routes?
Pete
Obviously no new routes yet but certainly some major changes in respect
of times.
The Alicante and Malaga on a Monday - Friday has barely changed within
a 30 minute time span since 7/1/05.
However Malage now departs at 6am (Palma at 6.05am) which is 50
minutes earlier than the first departure now on a Monday - Friday.
Hopefully (for Joe public if not the crew) this is to fit in plenty of
new destinations.
Any news on potential routes?
Pete
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Pete - I gather you are talking ZULU time, aren't you? Otherwise I have made a habit of seeing these flights out an hour late...
I agree baby should definitely be looking East (and South-East, to Italy) for new routes, instead of doing more AGP/ALC/PMI etc. where there is a choice of probably half a dozen airlines (including the charter outfits) out of BHX.
Cheers
Pete - I gather you are talking ZULU time, aren't you? Otherwise I have made a habit of seeing these flights out an hour late...
I agree baby should definitely be looking East (and South-East, to Italy) for new routes, instead of doing more AGP/ALC/PMI etc. where there is a choice of probably half a dozen airlines (including the charter outfits) out of BHX.
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Rumour has it that BA are to contract out all ground handling!! I suppose all the "VULTURES" will now be fighting over who gets the contract. My moneys on Aviance..Then after they lose it 3 weeks later maybe Swissport,then servisair, then ASS.
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Does anyone know if the airline has applied for slots as they are due to commence ops within the next few weeks (
) and well slots are useful to have, well first an a/c might help as well. Heard it said they had an ex tap 310 but no-one has seen it and surely by now they must be fitting it and painting it for there launch
) and well slots are useful to have, well first an a/c might help as well. Heard it said they had an ex tap 310 but no-one has seen it and surely by now they must be fitting it and painting it for there launch
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Shame I cant get a flight down to ALC on a Friday pm over the winter.
BMI's release is still too early fo next summer (13:20) and with MON at 06:45 I am hoping that FlyBe will have held onto the 15:15 slot.
Any guesses anyone ?
Now that MON & BMI have released (Summer 2007) I cant understand why FlyBe are dragging their feet. There customer services said "sometime in November"
Do I try and book time off or wait hopefully for FlyBe to have retained 15:15
BMI's release is still too early fo next summer (13:20) and with MON at 06:45 I am hoping that FlyBe will have held onto the 15:15 slot.
Any guesses anyone ?
Now that MON & BMI have released (Summer 2007) I cant understand why FlyBe are dragging their feet. There customer services said "sometime in November"
Do I try and book time off or wait hopefully for FlyBe to have retained 15:15
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Three way bun fight at BHX
The year 2006 will probably be classed as one to forget for BHX but
things seem to be hotting up for 2007. With Baby's announcement of three more aircraft for 2007 (rumour 10 by 2008) it has prompted flybe
to react.
Although I have not seen the ads myself, it is believed that they claim
to be (or will be) BHX's largest operator with 1.2 Million pax compared
to BA's 370000 (BACON is probably double this figure).
However the reality is that BHX goes down to four flybe based aircraft
from November (until March) whilst Baby are to add a sixth in January
and BA still have eight night stoppers and five early morning inbounds.
Anyone have any idea of flybe's plans or is this just spin in the
style of MOL?
Considering Baby will have eight craft with around 50 movements a day
(2 million+ seats) it will take some flybe expansion to match .
Pete
things seem to be hotting up for 2007. With Baby's announcement of three more aircraft for 2007 (rumour 10 by 2008) it has prompted flybe
to react.
Although I have not seen the ads myself, it is believed that they claim
to be (or will be) BHX's largest operator with 1.2 Million pax compared
to BA's 370000 (BACON is probably double this figure).
However the reality is that BHX goes down to four flybe based aircraft
from November (until March) whilst Baby are to add a sixth in January
and BA still have eight night stoppers and five early morning inbounds.
Anyone have any idea of flybe's plans or is this just spin in the
style of MOL?
Considering Baby will have eight craft with around 50 movements a day
(2 million+ seats) it will take some flybe expansion to match .
Pete
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Things can only get better. When I looked at BHX website earlier in the summer I was surprised at some of the glaring omissions from the European network, even given that BE proclaim BHX as one of their greatest hubs.
It'll be interesting to see where WW will operate next year. I'm guessing Shannon, Rome and Perpignan as definites, they could easily knock BA off BHX-BCN too and anything that competes with EMA's Polish routes would seem like a shrewd move (WAW?) I'd be surprised though if they started ARN or another Stockholm airport, it just doesn't seem like WW territory.
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It'll be interesting to see where WW will operate next year. I'm guessing Shannon, Rome and Perpignan as definites, they could easily knock BA off BHX-BCN too and anything that competes with EMA's Polish routes would seem like a shrewd move (WAW?) I'd be surprised though if they started ARN or another Stockholm airport, it just doesn't seem like WW territory.
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I'd say Shannon is very unlikely given Ryanair's dominating presence there. Bar Aer Lingus to Heathrow there are now no other short haul operators from Shannon to the UK and Ryanair will do everything possible to keep it that way.
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Very little leaking out, which I suppose is the way it should be.
Also if they go down the 4/5 a week service there could be a load
of new destinations. PGF would be interesting as that would be head
to head with flybe but I would not be too surprised if they try
Shannon & Jersey.
Some routes as you say are crying out for services such as Rome,
Stockholm, Budapest (3 or 4 a week), Pisa, Venice and I assume
that there will be some BACON hunting such as Glasgow and
perhaps Paris.
I still find it hard to believe, 9 miliion pax a year but no Rome
or Stockholm but 15 EDI's, 12 Gla's & 11 CDG's (no lo cost) etc.
Supply and demand I suppose.
Pete
Very little leaking out, which I suppose is the way it should be.
Also if they go down the 4/5 a week service there could be a load
of new destinations. PGF would be interesting as that would be head
to head with flybe but I would not be too surprised if they try
Shannon & Jersey.
Some routes as you say are crying out for services such as Rome,
Stockholm, Budapest (3 or 4 a week), Pisa, Venice and I assume
that there will be some BACON hunting such as Glasgow and
perhaps Paris.
I still find it hard to believe, 9 miliion pax a year but no Rome
or Stockholm but 15 EDI's, 12 Gla's & 11 CDG's (no lo cost) etc.
Supply and demand I suppose.
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Regarding Shannon, Flybe tried the route before. I remember on Sunday evenings my flight to Charleroi was at the same time as the BHX flight. Flybe's loads were very poor! But indeed I think someone else like WW could make it work. A bit of marketing like. Nice short flight too.
(Out of spite Aerlingus will probably then introduce SNN - BHX
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I see Wizz operated a Gdansk flight through Brum early this morning (using an MD82) due to the nightly runway closures at Luton. Come on Wizz, start some flights from Brum, you know you want to! 
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Sorry . . . . ..
. . . . if I'm getting boring but could anyone on the "inside" tell me of FlyBe's BHX to ALC route plans for next summer ?
As you are aware they have released all the southern routes leaving just BHX out in the cold for 2007 post March.
If they know their routes and slots for Southampton, exeter and Norwich why not BHX ?
I really am keen to know if they are going to do a 15:15 Friday to 19:35 Sunday as my family live by ALC and I am looking at time of work for the ZB and WW flights because theya re too early on Fri.
Thanks in advance ....
Rich
As you are aware they have released all the southern routes leaving just BHX out in the cold for 2007 post March.
If they know their routes and slots for Southampton, exeter and Norwich why not BHX ?
I really am keen to know if they are going to do a 15:15 Friday to 19:35 Sunday as my family live by ALC and I am looking at time of work for the ZB and WW flights because theya re too early on Fri.
Thanks in advance ....
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Flybe are building new offices in the middle of the remote 70's and 80's stands at the moment so an expansion of services looks promising
IMA possible routes desperately needed from BHX by anyone as previously mentioned are Rome FCO (much more convenient than CIA and was doing well before BACON ruined it with their ARJ) also Easy are virtually filling their A319s daily out of EMA and in competition with Ryan, VIE , ARN, GVA, CPH (give SAS some low cost competition!).
How about a crack at MOW?, RAK?, ATH?, OSL?, SOF?, LAX? (weight restricted 767 or 777?), ATL?, or BUD? anyone? or am i dreamin?
IMA possible routes desperately needed from BHX by anyone as previously mentioned are Rome FCO (much more convenient than CIA and was doing well before BACON ruined it with their ARJ) also Easy are virtually filling their A319s daily out of EMA and in competition with Ryan, VIE , ARN, GVA, CPH (give SAS some low cost competition!).
How about a crack at MOW?, RAK?, ATH?, OSL?, SOF?, LAX? (weight restricted 767 or 777?), ATL?, or BUD? anyone? or am i dreamin?
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"How about a crack at MOW?, RAK?, ATH?, OSL?, SOF?, LAX? (weight restricted 767 or 777?), ATL?, or BUD? anyone? or am i dreamin?"
LAX - definitely dreamin
RAK - Maybe in the future, seems to be all the rage at the moment
ATH - I would use it but I don't think that is a particularly good basis
for a new service - could this be done as an overnight in
summer?
Budapest - Got to be at least 4 a week
Oslo - should be a service but what type - WW a bit big with 149 seats?
ATL - Bring it on but I fear a 757 to JFK is the best we can hope for
from DL in 2008 perhaps
SOF, MOW - If it was my money - no chance.
CPH - Definitely after SAS downgrading the evening to a Dash
ARN -
VIE -
GVA - Okay at the moment BACON daily and WW 5 a week in winter.
CVTDog - After Faro and Murcia were pulled for the winter I thought
that was it for the sun routes but rumour has it AGP and
ALC safe for next summer but can't help with the times
or frequencies.
Just want to know what flybe have in mind let alone Baby.
Pete
"How about a crack at MOW?, RAK?, ATH?, OSL?, SOF?, LAX? (weight restricted 767 or 777?), ATL?, or BUD? anyone? or am i dreamin?"
LAX - definitely dreamin
RAK - Maybe in the future, seems to be all the rage at the moment
ATH - I would use it but I don't think that is a particularly good basis
for a new service
- could this be done as an overnight insummer?
Budapest - Got to be at least 4 a week
Oslo - should be a service but what type - WW a bit big with 149 seats?
ATL - Bring it on but I fear a 757 to JFK is the best we can hope for
from DL in 2008 perhaps
SOF, MOW - If it was my money - no chance.
CPH - Definitely after SAS downgrading the evening to a Dash
ARN -
VIE -
GVA - Okay at the moment BACON daily and WW 5 a week in winter.
CVTDog - After Faro and Murcia were pulled for the winter I thought
that was it for the sun routes but rumour has it AGP and
ALC safe for next summer but can't help with the times
or frequencies.
Just want to know what flybe have in mind let alone Baby.
Pete
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Charlie Roy,
Regarding Flybe's SNN operation, the loads were not all that bad, even at the end. The real problem was yield after FR began the EMA route. Even in the final days, the loads were still quite healthy. Plus, break even load on the Dash 8 is quite low.
Certain days had low loads yes, but that's not uncommon. I was watching the loads on SNN-BHX with interest being from the SNN part of the world but employed by flybe at the time.
Regarding Flybe's SNN operation, the loads were not all that bad, even at the end. The real problem was yield after FR began the EMA route. Even in the final days, the loads were still quite healthy. Plus, break even load on the Dash 8 is quite low.
Certain days had low loads yes, but that's not uncommon. I was watching the loads on SNN-BHX with interest being from the SNN part of the world but employed by flybe at the time.