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Sounds like there was at least an attempt to reach a compromise between the two:
http://new.edp24.co.uk/content/news/...A25%3A11%3A687
Assuming the figures are correct in the article, I doubt those extra 172 pax would have been worth £140,000 to the airport.
http://new.edp24.co.uk/content/news/...A25%3A11%3A687
Assuming the figures are correct in the article, I doubt those extra 172 pax would have been worth £140,000 to the airport.
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Don't have the advantage of knowing the MD of NWI, which Doors to Automatic has, and therefore have no reason to disagree with him. I am sure he is a thoroughly decent chap. He probably has, however, to satisfy evil accountants whose long term vision does not quite extend to envisaging that Flybe might just decide that it is too much hard work, and sod Norwich. What good would that do for Norfolk travellers? NWI used to be owned by a consortium of local and county public authorities - not perhaps the most dynamic of a team, and not especially clued up on aviation, but I am starting to sound like a nostalgic as well as cynical old fart in wishing a return to those days.
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Hang on a second, flybe were short by 172 pax, they paid or offered free flights to people to try and meet that target or faced a big fine? Hope I'm not missing too much here but smart move and well done flybe
! I think the last laugh has been on the NWI airport managers
. £3 to pass through the airport where has that money gone and do they know exactly what they are going to do with it? There is a good catchment of passengers who would use the airport but with probably the highest airport tax in the country Stansted seems like a well worth journey. Wake up NWI or me thinks job cuts on the way at the airport.
! I think the last laugh has been on the NWI airport managers. £3 to pass through the airport where has that money gone and do they know exactly what they are going to do with it? There is a good catchment of passengers who would use the airport but with probably the highest airport tax in the country Stansted seems like a well worth journey. Wake up NWI or me thinks job cuts on the way at the airport.
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I have to say I like using Norwich to fly long distance.( AMS )
However I object to the surcharge.
Norwich is on the road to nowhere.
FlyBe are in a strong position.
The managers have to climb down or lose the traffic to Stansted
However I object to the surcharge.
Norwich is on the road to nowhere.
FlyBe are in a strong position.
The managers have to climb down or lose the traffic to Stansted
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> £3 to pass through the airport where has that money gone and do they
> know exactly what they are going to do with it?
Part new tower as part of an £18m package announced a year ago...
http://www.uk-airport-news.info/norw...ews-190308.htm
"New Norwich Airport control tower opens
19.03.08
£400,000 upgrade of part of an air traffic control tower is set to open at Norwich Airport. The tower gains a new weather reporting systems and radar screens, as well as a modern communications system"
> know exactly what they are going to do with it?
Part new tower as part of an £18m package announced a year ago...
http://www.uk-airport-news.info/norw...ews-190308.htm
"New Norwich Airport control tower opens
19.03.08
£400,000 upgrade of part of an air traffic control tower is set to open at Norwich Airport. The tower gains a new weather reporting systems and radar screens, as well as a modern communications system"
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I have a suggestion for the usage of the £3 fine.
Give it to the refuellers as an incentive to stay on duty until the airport closes. NWI-MAN cancelled on 3rd March as Flybe's replacement aircraft which landed at 21:30 (flight delayed till then as earlier A/C had gone tech) because they couldn't get hold of the fuellers, dspite the AD being open until 22:15.
Yes, I am aware prior notice is required after 1930(local) and perhaps Flybe were at fault here for not informing them but still not something you'd expect at an 'INTERNATIONAL' airport......
Give it to the refuellers as an incentive to stay on duty until the airport closes. NWI-MAN cancelled on 3rd March as Flybe's replacement aircraft which landed at 21:30 (flight delayed till then as earlier A/C had gone tech) because they couldn't get hold of the fuellers, dspite the AD being open until 22:15.
Yes, I am aware prior notice is required after 1930(local) and perhaps Flybe were at fault here for not informing them but still not something you'd expect at an 'INTERNATIONAL' airport......
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Other side of the story: Norwich Airport lost £500,000 last year
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For the airport to start going whinging about the environment in these circumstances is one of the most pathetic things I have ever heard... or do they want to be a Sheffield City Airport?
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Sorry to contradict you but Eastern are there are also with a Saab 2000 which operates to ABerdeen and a twice weekly charter to Groningen, and before Flybe entrenched into Norwich Eastern also operated to Edinburgh
Sorry to contradict you but Eastern are there are also with a Saab 2000 which operates to ABerdeen and a twice weekly charter to Groningen, and before Flybe entrenched into Norwich Eastern also operated to Edinburgh
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There is plenty of doubt, as has been expressed here!
So... if you were flyBE, what would you have done? Manufactured 172 pax or paid NWI £280k?
And what did NWI achieve by "Standing up to them"? Specifically, in these circumstances, what is the difference between "standing up to them" and "throwing their toys out the pram in a huff at losing £280k"
So... if you were flyBE, what would you have done? Manufactured 172 pax or paid NWI £280k?
And what did NWI achieve by "Standing up to them"? Specifically, in these circumstances, what is the difference between "standing up to them" and "throwing their toys out the pram in a huff at losing £280k"
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Aren't both parties at fault here?
NWI at fault for offering such a strange deal on the face of it (targets are all very well, but how can you guarantee "x" no. of passengers will fly a particular route in a given timeframe?). And Flybe at fault for agreeing to it & thus risking a fine!
OK, you can FORECAST your passengers for the year ahead, but that's all it will EVER be - a forecast, NOT a guarantee.
NWI at fault for offering such a strange deal on the face of it (targets are all very well, but how can you guarantee "x" no. of passengers will fly a particular route in a given timeframe?). And Flybe at fault for agreeing to it & thus risking a fine!
OK, you can FORECAST your passengers for the year ahead, but that's all it will EVER be - a forecast, NOT a guarantee.
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nicnak, you said "There's no doubt that this complete and utter madness must be laid fair and square at the Flybe door".
Not sure what hallucenagenics you're on but if its true that BE have flown 136k over the last year, as opposed to the 70 k they were contracted to fly, its got to be a brave MD at NWI that goes on the telly to criticise his biggest customer. And an even braver MD that reports to his Board that he's turned down a no-strings attached £50k and preferred instead to try and play the eco-warrior with the media - the cretin runs an airport, not an organic asparagus farm!
Not sure what hallucenagenics you're on but if its true that BE have flown 136k over the last year, as opposed to the 70 k they were contracted to fly, its got to be a brave MD at NWI that goes on the telly to criticise his biggest customer. And an even braver MD that reports to his Board that he's turned down a no-strings attached £50k and preferred instead to try and play the eco-warrior with the media - the cretin runs an airport, not an organic asparagus farm!
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I can't see how flybe are in the wrong here.
They met their target, flew more passengers than they agreed to with the airport by nearly 100% but were falling short until tonight on one route. Airport gets more passengers, flybe don't get fined approx £250k. Wake up NWI.
Think it all comes down to money which Nwi sound like they are desperate for and probably gutted more than anything that a huge amount may slip by. Think every airline would do the same as flybe. I hope flybe stay cause I and lots off my friends use them a lot and hope they introduce some more routes
, Eastern and BMIregional will are too expensive and will bring numbers of passengers down more.
They met their target, flew more passengers than they agreed to with the airport by nearly 100% but were falling short until tonight on one route. Airport gets more passengers, flybe don't get fined approx £250k. Wake up NWI. Think it all comes down to money which Nwi sound like they are desperate for and probably gutted more than anything that a huge amount may slip by. Think every airline would do the same as flybe. I hope flybe stay cause I and lots off my friends use them a lot and hope they introduce some more routes, Eastern and BMIregional will are too expensive and will bring numbers of passengers down more.
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Sorry to reiterate the point but I cannot believe the NWI management has used the environment card, the saying those who live in greenhouses musn't throw stones is very apt here one thinks!
How some people on here can only blame flyBe is utter madness. I don't see what they have actually done wrong?
How some people on here can only blame flyBe is utter madness. I don't see what they have actually done wrong?
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The MD of FlyBE is very familiar with the ways of NWI, he is ex Air UK.
I'm sure when FlyBE signed such an agreement they had already figured out that they could give tickets away to make up the numbers, if NWI couldn't see such a loophole in the agreement well that's 'hard cheese'.
Good on FlyBE, I, and many of you, would have done exactly the same thing ourselves
I'm sure when FlyBE signed such an agreement they had already figured out that they could give tickets away to make up the numbers, if NWI couldn't see such a loophole in the agreement well that's 'hard cheese'.
Good on FlyBE, I, and many of you, would have done exactly the same thing ourselves
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