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Channel Islands Route
Now Flybe has released more of the summer timetable the Channel Islands are almost wiped away, the only flight is to Jersey on a Saturday.
Did these routes not peform as expected??
With Jersey having a Stansted connection did this have a possible effect for the route to Jersey being cut down in size??
Jersey has always been a difficult area going back to the good old days Air Anglia operated two Fokker Friendships down first thing on a Saturday in the summer and return late afernoon.
The market has always been Saturday one or two week holiday type traffic for the last forty plus years.
More to the point could it be they need the aircraft for new routes to try??
Did these routes not peform as expected??
With Jersey having a Stansted connection did this have a possible effect for the route to Jersey being cut down in size??
Jersey has always been a difficult area going back to the good old days Air Anglia operated two Fokker Friendships down first thing on a Saturday in the summer and return late afernoon.
The market has always been Saturday one or two week holiday type traffic for the last forty plus years.
More to the point could it be they need the aircraft for new routes to try??
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Well i would hope they release more flights to Jesey next summer from NWI because the load factors for July 06 were around 80%,so i can't see why they would cut it back.
But they might be trying new routes, they wanted to do Frankfurt, Bergerac and limoges.
But theres room at NWI for them to base another 2 aircraft.
just have to wait untill they finally release full summer 07 schedule which is coming out within the next 2 weeks
But they might be trying new routes, they wanted to do Frankfurt, Bergerac and limoges.
But theres room at NWI for them to base another 2 aircraft.
just have to wait untill they finally release full summer 07 schedule which is coming out within the next 2 weeks
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Looks like Norwich Are trying to get a new airline in for the Alicante and Malaga routes
http://www.uk-airport-news.info/norw...ews-010807.htm
dunno who they could be?
looks like Flybe may lose out because i can see 2 airlines operating it not even in the summer
http://www.uk-airport-news.info/norw...ews-010807.htm
dunno who they could be?
looks like Flybe may lose out because i can see 2 airlines operating it not even in the summer
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Speaking of NWI - I flew from there to AMS a few weeks ago.
I thought I'd take advantage of the KLM online check-in service - using it was no problem, but at the airport, neither the woman at the desk before security, nor the girls at the gate had seen one before and didn't know what to do - especially at the gate, because there wasn't at 'tear-off' section of the boarding card!
You would certainly think that, in these times of heightened security, staff would be fully briefed on new paperwork?
I thought I'd take advantage of the KLM online check-in service - using it was no problem, but at the airport, neither the woman at the desk before security, nor the girls at the gate had seen one before and didn't know what to do - especially at the gate, because there wasn't at 'tear-off' section of the boarding card!
You would certainly think that, in these times of heightened security, staff would be fully briefed on new paperwork?
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flybe will suspend its own flights from NWI to both ALC and AGP during the winter schedule. hope they'll come back for next summer, at least.
perhaps someone else could step in to take over these two services to the spanish costa ?
perhaps someone else could step in to take over these two services to the spanish costa ?
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Was just looking at CAA stats in August and came up with these for for Norwichs Scheduled services
Total Ave.Pax LF
Aberdeen 5761 25 50%
Edinburgh 5710 51 66%
Exeter 3512 57 73% well done Flybe!!
Glasgow 3335 54 69%
Jersey/Guernsey 3429 56 71%
Manchester 3868 35 44%
Paris 2540 43 56%
Dublin 3581 59 75% well done Flybe!!
Amsterdam 14071 48 68%
Alicante 2699 96 81%
Malaga 1638 91 77%
Manchester seems to be the worst route with just 44% Load Factor but in other months Manchester seems to get over 4000pax, and when i flew back to Norwich last night there were 55 people on board, so it doesn't seem to be doing to bad to me.
Exeter and Dublin seem to be doing very well along with Edinburgh, Glasgow, and Jersey/ Guernsey
Most routes are down 2-3% on last year, so the new ADF doesn't seem to have done to much to passenger figures so Flybe can't complain
Total Ave.Pax LF
Aberdeen 5761 25 50%
Edinburgh 5710 51 66%
Exeter 3512 57 73% well done Flybe!!
Glasgow 3335 54 69%
Jersey/Guernsey 3429 56 71%
Manchester 3868 35 44%
Paris 2540 43 56%
Dublin 3581 59 75% well done Flybe!!
Amsterdam 14071 48 68%
Alicante 2699 96 81%
Malaga 1638 91 77%
Manchester seems to be the worst route with just 44% Load Factor but in other months Manchester seems to get over 4000pax, and when i flew back to Norwich last night there were 55 people on board, so it doesn't seem to be doing to bad to me.
Exeter and Dublin seem to be doing very well along with Edinburgh, Glasgow, and Jersey/ Guernsey
Most routes are down 2-3% on last year, so the new ADF doesn't seem to have done to much to passenger figures so Flybe can't complain
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Beware of statistics!
NWI - MAN may seem to be an underperforming route, but it is also one of the most expensive out of NWI as Flybe know that it's almost exclusively used by the business user, I've absolutely no doubt that they're making as much money from that route as any other.
NWI - MAN may seem to be an underperforming route, but it is also one of the most expensive out of NWI as Flybe know that it's almost exclusively used by the business user, I've absolutely no doubt that they're making as much money from that route as any other.
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i was too when i saw that come out at 57, when i did i again it was the same!
perhaps it should go twice daily on week days for the summer season?
should also say the NWI - EXT in July had ave PAX of 56 and 71% load factor.
also there were passenger increases from last year on that route 4% in July and 9% in August.
altough it's going down to 4 weekly this winter
perhaps it should go twice daily on week days for the summer season?
should also say the NWI - EXT in July had ave PAX of 56 and 71% load factor.
also there were passenger increases from last year on that route 4% in July and 9% in August.
altough it's going down to 4 weekly this winter
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Just had my sister on the phone. She was passing Norwich airport earlier today and saw lots of fire engines, ambulances etc.
Probably nothing of course, but she is asking what was going on.
Clues?
Probably nothing of course, but she is asking what was going on.
Clues?
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always handy and great fun for those of us who work in one of the services!!
raf used to do a brilliant one prior to the st mawgan air day at NQY
very realistic and very good training for all involved
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Flybe and the crass attitude of Norwich Airport (NWI) ...
While you might have to wonder about Flybe signing up to such an agreement, it is hard to believe that a small provincial UK airport like NWI with a less than exemplary record in fostering their commercial aviation development, would really go down this route to screw the only airline that is interested in trying to make a real go of operating 'from the back of beyond' !
A few years ago I used to fly for a small company which was also forced out of NWI operations by this sort of stupidity ... do NWI want to develop or don't they ?
Please read this BBC news link ...
Flybe and Norwich Airport agreement (BBC news)
A few years ago I used to fly for a small company which was also forced out of NWI operations by this sort of stupidity ... do NWI want to develop or don't they ?
Please read this BBC news link ...
Flybe and Norwich Airport agreement (BBC news)
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Red Eyed Dog I think you are wrong to place 100% of the blame at NWI's feet.
I have negotiated many deals similar to the FlyBe/NWI one with my airline hat on and these deals are nearly always done on throughput of passengers through the airport. FlyBe agreed to this contractactual agreement so they knew what they were letting themselves into. I have been on the end of a contractual agreement with them on a JEY flight which was so severely delayed I could not make my meeting in JEY. FlyBe held me to my contract and did not allow me a refund. What is good for the goose etc etc.
FlyBe would have received in excess of a £280K rebate for operating the DUB route on basis of an agreed passenger throughput which they were in danger of not meeting. Personally I think FlyBe should have offered rebated seats earlier than they did rather than make a high profile onslaught against NWI at the last knockings of the agreed period.
That said for the sake of less than 200 passengers to reach the cut off figure the NWI airport management are not doing the airfield owners any favours.
I have negotiated many deals similar to the FlyBe/NWI one with my airline hat on and these deals are nearly always done on throughput of passengers through the airport. FlyBe agreed to this contractactual agreement so they knew what they were letting themselves into. I have been on the end of a contractual agreement with them on a JEY flight which was so severely delayed I could not make my meeting in JEY. FlyBe held me to my contract and did not allow me a refund. What is good for the goose etc etc.
FlyBe would have received in excess of a £280K rebate for operating the DUB route on basis of an agreed passenger throughput which they were in danger of not meeting. Personally I think FlyBe should have offered rebated seats earlier than they did rather than make a high profile onslaught against NWI at the last knockings of the agreed period.
That said for the sake of less than 200 passengers to reach the cut off figure the NWI airport management are not doing the airfield owners any favours.
These sorts of deals are the mainstay of airline/airport business these days.
The days of airports making their money out of landing fees and a healthy (£10-15) amount per passenger on top are long gone. These days a typical deal will be £2-3 per passenger (less if it is Ryanair) and no landing fees.
In return the airline pledges to bring in many more passengers, which the airport knows will spend an average of £x on parking/food/shopping etc thereby making up the shortfall.
If the airline fails to bring in the passengers it is only fair that the airport is compensated, which is why penalties are often brought into the contract.
Flybe has been operating out of NWI for 3 years so it is not as if the airport has hammered them in the first difficult months of the operation.
I know the airport MD at Norwich personally. He is one of the nicest and most honest people I have met in the industry and certainly not someone who would take unfair advantage of another party.
In my opinion it is unfair to lay the blame with the airport for this.
The days of airports making their money out of landing fees and a healthy (£10-15) amount per passenger on top are long gone. These days a typical deal will be £2-3 per passenger (less if it is Ryanair) and no landing fees.
In return the airline pledges to bring in many more passengers, which the airport knows will spend an average of £x on parking/food/shopping etc thereby making up the shortfall.
If the airline fails to bring in the passengers it is only fair that the airport is compensated, which is why penalties are often brought into the contract.
Flybe has been operating out of NWI for 3 years so it is not as if the airport has hammered them in the first difficult months of the operation.
I know the airport MD at Norwich personally. He is one of the nicest and most honest people I have met in the industry and certainly not someone who would take unfair advantage of another party.
In my opinion it is unfair to lay the blame with the airport for this.
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Donkey497 : so often cynicism edges fairly close to truth.
The Member : a superbly balanced point of view. Indeed it probably is a little unfair of me to implicate NWI Airport as 100% villains of the piece but they do have a 'history'.
Wings folded : Oh that £3 ! ... well, what more can be said, probably best to just not go there
cheers, Red Eyed Dog
The Member : a superbly balanced point of view. Indeed it probably is a little unfair of me to implicate NWI Airport as 100% villains of the piece but they do have a 'history'.
Wings folded : Oh that £3 ! ... well, what more can be said, probably best to just not go there
cheers, Red Eyed Dog