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The bigger the company the more difficult things become when things go wrong.
We are not superhuman and things do get missed like not up dating flight plans when there are delays or missing a plan on a positioning flight.
We rely on information received when aircraft and crews are operating away from the operations base we rely on the hanling agents to keep us updated and we do our best to do this
Sometimes things will slip through the net the company is getting bigger but does not mean the operations office will increase in propotion.
When the operations staff have major problem days and the result at the end of the day it has all worked out with out bringing in a third party operator to mop up every one feels good but very tired.
Every one from the bottom to the top needs to help out when problems arize and get things sorted without major finiacial outlay
Hope this may help some of you out there and make ops life a little less stressful in hard times.
We are not superhuman and things do get missed like not up dating flight plans when there are delays or missing a plan on a positioning flight.
We rely on information received when aircraft and crews are operating away from the operations base we rely on the hanling agents to keep us updated and we do our best to do this
Sometimes things will slip through the net the company is getting bigger but does not mean the operations office will increase in propotion.
When the operations staff have major problem days and the result at the end of the day it has all worked out with out bringing in a third party operator to mop up every one feels good but very tired.
Every one from the bottom to the top needs to help out when problems arize and get things sorted without major finiacial outlay
Hope this may help some of you out there and make ops life a little less stressful in hard times.
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I am fully aware that ops do a lot more than just file flight plans. But that was the main point of the debate here. Even so, the general tone of the debate was "pilots cannot survive without ops", and I am saying that they can. Granted it might not be easy, and in a big outfit, nigh on impossible, but not completly impossible !!!
Just for the record, I do work in the industry in a repair facility as it happens. I am fully aware of what others do, as I have to deal with them from time to time. If you want a clarification, why not ask MOL which he can do without for a day, ops or pilots??, or out another way, which one is the overhead, and which one makes a profit???
But then that wouldn't really fit with a union ethos would it? Your name says it all, now isn't there a picket line somewhere you should be joining?
I am fully aware that ops do a lot more than just file flight plans. But that was the main point of the debate here. Even so, the general tone of the debate was "pilots cannot survive without ops", and I am saying that they can. Granted it might not be easy, and in a big outfit, nigh on impossible, but not completly impossible !!!
Just for the record, I do work in the industry in a repair facility as it happens. I am fully aware of what others do, as I have to deal with them from time to time. If you want a clarification, why not ask MOL which he can do without for a day, ops or pilots??, or out another way, which one is the overhead, and which one makes a profit???
But then that wouldn't really fit with a union ethos would it? Your name says it all, now isn't there a picket line somewhere you should be joining?
Cessnaplate you have lost the argument if you have to resort to avery cheap jibe like that!! Have you not noticed that more than one thread on the R&N area is pilots balloting for strike action?
If you are taught how to fill out a flight plan, route plan, load plan, etc then it doesn't matter whether you are a pilot or an ops bod.................you can do the job because you have been taught how. So being a CPL or ATPL holder is of no benefit at all. The fact that Ops people do these job functions every day would probably make them more proficient because they are used to it, just like some of the worst load sheets I have seen filled out have been by pilots who haven't completed one in ages because ops/load control people normally do it. Of course they would get the hang of it after a while, but not straight away.
It is ridiculous to suggest that an airline such as RYR would last more then 5 minutes without an ops/crewing dept!
It is ideal in a well run airline if both pilots and Ops bods talk with each other and respect each other. Unfortunately some pilots think Ops staff beneath them and treat them with disdain, and some Ops staff think pilots are arrogant and conceited $ossers. Probably both are right about a small number in each area, but there are more that get on with each other than don't.
If you are taught how to fill out a flight plan, route plan, load plan, etc then it doesn't matter whether you are a pilot or an ops bod.................you can do the job because you have been taught how. So being a CPL or ATPL holder is of no benefit at all. The fact that Ops people do these job functions every day would probably make them more proficient because they are used to it, just like some of the worst load sheets I have seen filled out have been by pilots who haven't completed one in ages because ops/load control people normally do it. Of course they would get the hang of it after a while, but not straight away.
It is ridiculous to suggest that an airline such as RYR would last more then 5 minutes without an ops/crewing dept!
It is ideal in a well run airline if both pilots and Ops bods talk with each other and respect each other. Unfortunately some pilots think Ops staff beneath them and treat them with disdain, and some Ops staff think pilots are arrogant and conceited $ossers. Probably both are right about a small number in each area, but there are more that get on with each other than don't.
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Fairly extensive information regarding the location and movements of a specific FlyBe aircraft formerly posted on this thread may now be found here: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=242050
Please press on with the FlyBe big picture.
Please press on with the FlyBe big picture.
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Flybe at BHX
Not a red letter day at BHX!
Not only having BMI Baby jump ahead of them on the BHX - ABZ they
have also sneaked in some winter cutbacks from the original schedule.
BHX - Murcia ends in October
BHX - Toulouse reduced to 4 a week (this has been done before)
BHX - Aberdeen once again showing twice daily from March (was 3 daily)
Re-timings on Brest (Tue, Thu & Sun) plus Hanover becomes an afternoon
departure and Isle of Man a midday route.
The Malaga (Tu/Thu/Sat) and Alicante (Mo/We/Fri) are re-timed to mid
morning thus enabling a loss of one aircraft based from the current 5.
I think it was also mentioned Bristol - Toulouse has gone but I forgot
to check.
Pete
Not only having BMI Baby jump ahead of them on the BHX - ABZ they
have also sneaked in some winter cutbacks from the original schedule.
BHX - Murcia ends in October
BHX - Toulouse reduced to 4 a week (this has been done before)
BHX - Aberdeen once again showing twice daily from March (was 3 daily)
Re-timings on Brest (Tue, Thu & Sun) plus Hanover becomes an afternoon
departure and Isle of Man a midday route.
The Malaga (Tu/Thu/Sat) and Alicante (Mo/We/Fri) are re-timed to mid
morning thus enabling a loss of one aircraft based from the current 5.
I think it was also mentioned Bristol - Toulouse has gone but I forgot
to check.
Pete
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Guys you need to look at the wider picture:
A) With BACON disintegrating around the UK Flybe have being moving capacity around to take advantage of better profit opportunities (eg GLA-SOU/BHD-MAN/BHD-BHX)
B) BRS was never strategic to them. They may be interested in BRS when BACON implode. I understand BRS-JER will go double daily.
C) I don't think they will worry about BMI BABY starting in Nov. 737 can't compete with Q400 economics on this size/length of route, Baby are starting in Nov with less than 7 weeks notice, and will lose their shirts. BACON will leave by end March- leaving a staight fight between Flybe and Baby.
D) BMI just walked away from straight fight versus Flybe in SOU.
I think it will be an interesting 6 months at BHX
A) With BACON disintegrating around the UK Flybe have being moving capacity around to take advantage of better profit opportunities (eg GLA-SOU/BHD-MAN/BHD-BHX)
B) BRS was never strategic to them. They may be interested in BRS when BACON implode. I understand BRS-JER will go double daily.
C) I don't think they will worry about BMI BABY starting in Nov. 737 can't compete with Q400 economics on this size/length of route, Baby are starting in Nov with less than 7 weeks notice, and will lose their shirts. BACON will leave by end March- leaving a staight fight between Flybe and Baby.
D) BMI just walked away from straight fight versus Flybe in SOU.
I think it will be an interesting 6 months at BHX
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If the BRS - BOD route is finishing I will be completely stunned. The flights are totally rammed full this time of year and definately full enough over the winter to make it worthwhile!!!
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Indeed but i dont think Flybe want to do what happened last year when they had to cancel alot of flights from Norwich because they were less than half full in the winter. NWI - BOD has been full but they also will stop it this winter but will return next summer!
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Did I read this right? All Flybe routes from Bristol are stopping? Must have missed that (curse of going on hols at this time of year!) Wheer did you see this Devon Guy?
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BHX-ABZ: only the afternoon flight - that now apparently has disappeared - was an E195 flight. The other two are Q400s. The E195 flight was sold at max. fare for some time before it was eventually pulled completely.
There are only ten - now eigth - domestic sectors scheduled with the E195 (SOU/EDI 2, SOU/GLA 4, SOUNCL 2, BHX-ABZ 2). It is mainly runs down to the Costas.
There are only ten - now eigth - domestic sectors scheduled with the E195 (SOU/EDI 2, SOU/GLA 4, SOUNCL 2, BHX-ABZ 2). It is mainly runs down to the Costas.
Buzz off with BAF!!
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Seems to be that if Flybe are pulling all these routes whilst adding more
and more aircraft there has to be a contradiction somewhere, or else
a cunning plan!!
and more aircraft there has to be a contradiction somewhere, or else
a cunning plan!!
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BHD-LPL and ABZ
what are flybe playin at? BHD-LPL will have no weekday flights from 27 October yet two saturday flights and one sunday flight will remain! for frig sake see the sense and just close the route altogether!
Finally they learnt that nobody wants to fly to ABZ on a saturday!
BA NEW THAT FOR 7 YEARS!
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Finally they learnt that nobody wants to fly to ABZ on a saturday! BA NEW THAT FOR 7 YEARS!
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