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Just a thought....
How on earth would Virgin introduce 777s onto the Caribbean when they don't have ETOPS clearance presumably?
How on earth would Virgin introduce 777s onto the Caribbean when they don't have ETOPS clearance presumably?
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From an earlier post on this thread:
As Guadeloupe and Martinique are departements of mainland France, and are by far the most sophisticated islands in the Caribbean, I would not be surprised if they could handle the B773/A346.
Virgin does not currently have ETOPS clearance, but it can obtain it in the same way as all other ETOPS airlines.
Originally Posted by Digitalis
The B777 is being considered solely as a B747 replacement, and that only for those areas where the A380 (and A346) are not practicable. For that reason, the likely variant is the B777-200, as the -300 has similar ground manoeuvrability problems to the A346.
It may be that there is a developing requirement to replace the A343 more exactly for 'long/thin' routes, and here the B777-200 also fits well, but then so does the A330/350.
It may be that there is a developing requirement to replace the A343 more exactly for 'long/thin' routes, and here the B777-200 also fits well, but then so does the A330/350.
Virgin does not currently have ETOPS clearance, but it can obtain it in the same way as all other ETOPS airlines.
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Agreed Scroggs, VS is a VERY competent airline and can get ETOPS. But won't this take a year of twin operations? In the meantime, which routes will the hypothetical 777/350s be on?
Makes even more sense to take on the long haul part of bmi?
Makes even more sense to take on the long haul part of bmi?
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I'm not au fait with either ETOPS or non-ETOPS twin-engine operations, but the answer to your question would depend on what is the furthest a non-ETPS twin can be from a suitable diversion, and what other restrictions may be placed on it - or not. For instance, is ETOPS only relevant over sea, or is it a legal requirement overland also? If it's not a consideration overland, Lagos would be a player. Dubai, Delhi and Mumbai shouldn't be any real problem, though the routes may not be as flexible as on a four-engined type. In summer at least, I would have thought that the East Coast USA destinations would probably be OK too.
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Not my specialist subject either, but my understanding is that it relates to the furthest distance a twin-engined aircraft is allowed to fly away from a field capable of taking it in case things go quiet. To be allowed to do the trick, the airline has to demonstrate the reliability of the aircraft and its engines in their operation - for a year. I would imagine, thinking about it, that VS would use a twin on DXB, the Indian routes, possibly Lagos, but I can't see it on the Atlantic in VS colours any time soon.
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etops does not just cover over the sea, i think you will find parts of africa can be classified as etops as no suitable diversion airfield available.
etops can be operated off the back of someone elses approval initially anyway, did bmi not use monarch when they took delivery of the 330's ?.
etops can be operated off the back of someone elses approval initially anyway, did bmi not use monarch when they took delivery of the 330's ?.
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Hey was on another website, was a guy saying the flights from GLA - MCO next year were just about sold out from JUN/JUL. So I looked on VH myself, looks about right, the first flight is only selling Upper seats, so that could be anything up to 14 seats left, not bad with 50 weeks to go, the second and third flights only have Premium and Upper left, so a max of 72 seats. the last of that period has economy left. On an aircraft with 451seats these are good load factors. If things continue this way could the managent extend the season, after all there is plenty of time to do so. Eitherway it bodes well for Summer `08. 
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BHX VS????
Donk know if anyone can cast any light on this , rumour that Virgin may be looking at the possiblilty of either MCO or EWR routes from BHX? . Other current widebody carriers from BHX are , Air India (Delhi and Toronto on 777) , and Emirates (Dubai 777) , Continental (Newark 757) , PIA (Airbus A310).