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Chitty, the 2011 summer brochure came out today,that's how.
the flight will be by Tmomas cook Airline.
the flight will be by Tmomas cook Airline.
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there is already serious talk of Thomas Cook adding some completely new destinations for 2011 (as opposed to NEW destination Tunisia which HUY have actually had before), and also FlyBe! 
Keep your lugholes to the ground.......could be big!
kin 'ell
Security wont know what's hit them. No more cups of tea every 30 minutes....there are jobs to be done!
Keep your lugholes to the ground.......could be big!
kin 'ellSecurity wont know what's hit them. No more cups of tea every 30 minutes....there are jobs to be done!
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I'd take it with a pinch of salt, rumours like these usualy come straight off the forums.
It would be good if it were to happen though, but i dont understand what 'brand new' destinations TCX could offer except perhaps SSH? The return of TFS and LPA would perhaps make sense if they were to add anything to their current plans.
I guess what BE do all depends on how well AGP and to a lesser extent BHD perform. I have a feeling BHD may be short lived, though AGP may well work so perhaps additions such as ALC and FAO for S11. At a push DUB could be considered again.
It would be good if it were to happen though, but i dont understand what 'brand new' destinations TCX could offer except perhaps SSH? The return of TFS and LPA would perhaps make sense if they were to add anything to their current plans.
I guess what BE do all depends on how well AGP and to a lesser extent BHD perform. I have a feeling BHD may be short lived, though AGP may well work so perhaps additions such as ALC and FAO for S11. At a push DUB could be considered again.
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A shame but cant say im surprised, sales must have been dreadful to non existant for them to pull it. All bets are off for a DUB flight from them now. Hopefuly AGP is selling alot better.
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I agree.
I get the impression that this route was not a serious attempt to become established, more just using an aircraft that would have otherwise been sat on the ground. Obviously there were hardly any seats sold if any at all. Must have been dreadful for them to not even operate one service. I dont think any potential pax actually knew of it either, the advertising budget must have been pretty small, hence my belief that it was not a serious attempt.
I do believe/hope that AGP is a different matter however, afterall it did get more attention from the media.
I get the impression that this route was not a serious attempt to become established, more just using an aircraft that would have otherwise been sat on the ground. Obviously there were hardly any seats sold if any at all. Must have been dreadful for them to not even operate one service. I dont think any potential pax actually knew of it either, the advertising budget must have been pretty small, hence my belief that it was not a serious attempt.
I do believe/hope that AGP is a different matter however, afterall it did get more attention from the media.
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Maybe if the route had been launched as a Loganair franchise one, it might have worked. A lot easier to fill a SF340 than a Q400 - just a thought but then, maybe, LC wouldn't have an a/c to spare unless they retimed the DND - BHD to run DND - BHD - HUY - BHD - DND.
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As i say, i dont believe it was a serious attempt at setting up a route, more trying to use aircraft which would otherwise have been sat on the ground, so using Loganair would have been a non-starter, afterall they have a route from DSA which hardly fills the aircraft. Obviously the bookings were that bad that it would be more cost effective having the aircraft sat on the ground. It is a shame and could preclude any further short hop flights from BE, though with the right routes and marketing im sure they could work. Not likely to happen though.
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May I be bold enough to go one step futher and hypothosise thus:
As I have previously posted, there were a number of UK regional airports trying to establish the route to BHD, they were all offering considerable concessions to whichever airline took up the route and all of them had greater revenue potential than the HUY - BHD service.
I happen to know that, believe it or not, Belfast City Airport have a local authority planning permission limit regarding the number of passengers allowed to use the terminal each year (2 million i think) and there is also a strict limit on the opening times of the airfield.
For last couple of years, BHD have been sailing very close to the wind regarding the passenger figures, if the local authority can prove that there aren't the routes to sustain the agreed limit, they can reduce the numbers permitted.
This leads me to suspect that BHD may have been agreeing to certain routes in advance to convince the planners that there is an established need by agreeing to additional services (such as BHD - HUY), which can then be thrown into the bin when the summer season comes along and more viable and sustainable (bums to the sun) flights come along.
Pure theory of course, but ...................
As I have previously posted, there were a number of UK regional airports trying to establish the route to BHD, they were all offering considerable concessions to whichever airline took up the route and all of them had greater revenue potential than the HUY - BHD service.
I happen to know that, believe it or not, Belfast City Airport have a local authority planning permission limit regarding the number of passengers allowed to use the terminal each year (2 million i think) and there is also a strict limit on the opening times of the airfield.
For last couple of years, BHD have been sailing very close to the wind regarding the passenger figures, if the local authority can prove that there aren't the routes to sustain the agreed limit, they can reduce the numbers permitted.
This leads me to suspect that BHD may have been agreeing to certain routes in advance to convince the planners that there is an established need by agreeing to additional services (such as BHD - HUY), which can then be thrown into the bin when the summer season comes along and more viable and sustainable (bums to the sun) flights come along.
Pure theory of course, but ...................
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That could have some weight in it niknak. It would certainly explain the lack of advertising (except for adding it to the current Malaga ad in the local papers) and also perhaps why Tony Lavan didnt sound too impressed with the news when the route was announced. There has certainly been no visible attempt at selling the route.
There is certainly some interest in HUY by BE, i dont think you could apply the same principles to the AGP route this summer, so its clear there is some interest with a view to establishing niche routes from HUY. It was clear when the BHD route was announced that it was unlikely to do well, and was a surprising choice of route when i would argue DUB would come head in terms of bums on seats and revenue potential.
Im still hopeful there will be more from them next summer, though i suspect it will be the likes of ALC and FAO rather than more frequent routes.
There is certainly some interest in HUY by BE, i dont think you could apply the same principles to the AGP route this summer, so its clear there is some interest with a view to establishing niche routes from HUY. It was clear when the BHD route was announced that it was unlikely to do well, and was a surprising choice of route when i would argue DUB would come head in terms of bums on seats and revenue potential.
Im still hopeful there will be more from them next summer, though i suspect it will be the likes of ALC and FAO rather than more frequent routes.
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I rather suspect that HUY would struggle to get the DUB route reinstated given the cat fight over charges that ensued and led to Ryanair pulling out of what the vast majority of people considering to be a very worthwhile venture at HUY.
Who was finally responsible for the pulling of HUY - DUB route operated by Ryanair will probably be revealed when we know the length of a piece of string, but BE are not in a strong position to operate routes to and from DUB.
BE operated a service from our place to DUB and, like the HUY - DUB route it was very well patronised - the average payload was greater than 75% but it stopped when BE decided not to base aircraft with us and had to start the route at DUB.
Because they don't have a base in Dublin, and are extremely unlikely to do so at any time in the future, it meant them having to operate an aircraft into DUB from elsewhere to then operate to us - the costs just didn't add up.
The same will apply to HUY, even if BE based an aircraft and crews there during the summer for other flights, it wouldn't be cost effective to have sufficent numbers of staff there to operate a year round service to DUB.
I think that our new management are keeping close tabs on Ryanair and the market trends, possibly with a view to biting the bullet, inviting them in on a "free charges - passenger numbers performance basis", perhaps the bean counters at MAG should consider doing the same.
Who was finally responsible for the pulling of HUY - DUB route operated by Ryanair will probably be revealed when we know the length of a piece of string, but BE are not in a strong position to operate routes to and from DUB.
BE operated a service from our place to DUB and, like the HUY - DUB route it was very well patronised - the average payload was greater than 75% but it stopped when BE decided not to base aircraft with us and had to start the route at DUB.
Because they don't have a base in Dublin, and are extremely unlikely to do so at any time in the future, it meant them having to operate an aircraft into DUB from elsewhere to then operate to us - the costs just didn't add up.
The same will apply to HUY, even if BE based an aircraft and crews there during the summer for other flights, it wouldn't be cost effective to have sufficent numbers of staff there to operate a year round service to DUB.
I think that our new management are keeping close tabs on Ryanair and the market trends, possibly with a view to biting the bullet, inviting them in on a "free charges - passenger numbers performance basis", perhaps the bean counters at MAG should consider doing the same.
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I realise that a DUB route would most likely require a based machine at HUY which would also require other routes in order to require a based machine, so it is unlikely.
I dont think they problem was fees with Ryanair, more than likely it was the low loads they were achieving, i think the load factor was only around 50% but then it was running alongside the DSA route at the time.
I do believe there have been other cases of not willing to 'sell out' to airlines, a couple of them spring to mind, though i can never be 100% on that.
Still maintain that BE could be one to watch with regards to the summer sun routes that the tour operators have neglected in recent years.
I dont think they problem was fees with Ryanair, more than likely it was the low loads they were achieving, i think the load factor was only around 50% but then it was running alongside the DSA route at the time.
I do believe there have been other cases of not willing to 'sell out' to airlines, a couple of them spring to mind, though i can never be 100% on that.
Still maintain that BE could be one to watch with regards to the summer sun routes that the tour operators have neglected in recent years.
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With regards to FR/DUB the average load factor was indeed around 50% but reports indicated busy weekend flights, therefore the midweek flights must have been seriously empty
As for Flybe adding more 'sun' routes, I'm not sure it will be anything significant. Firstly they are w patterns, and will probably require a crew change at HUY. Secondly most Flybe EMB-195's are busy in weekday morning/evening with domestics (BE's core business) and don't have time to do say SOU-AGP-HUY-AGP-SOU in between domestic flights. So apart from maybe peak summer when domestics get cut back, I don't see any weekday Flybe flights. Hopefully for Summer 2011 Malaga will get a longer operating season, maybe a midweek flight in August. Maybe a Palma or Alicante on a Saturday. But not much more than that.
The only option for significant growth at HUY I can see is Jet 2, and how long has that been talked about ... Sadly I think we will be getting excited about extended operating seasons and a new weekly flight to Tunisia for quite a while yet. Talking of charters, I hope the HUY team have been taking note of NWI's recent charter growth
As for Flybe adding more 'sun' routes, I'm not sure it will be anything significant. Firstly they are w patterns, and will probably require a crew change at HUY. Secondly most Flybe EMB-195's are busy in weekday morning/evening with domestics (BE's core business) and don't have time to do say SOU-AGP-HUY-AGP-SOU in between domestic flights. So apart from maybe peak summer when domestics get cut back, I don't see any weekday Flybe flights. Hopefully for Summer 2011 Malaga will get a longer operating season, maybe a midweek flight in August. Maybe a Palma or Alicante on a Saturday. But not much more than that.
The only option for significant growth at HUY I can see is Jet 2, and how long has that been talked about ... Sadly I think we will be getting excited about extended operating seasons and a new weekly flight to Tunisia for quite a while yet. Talking of charters, I hope the HUY team have been taking note of NWI's recent charter growth
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H4u are adding two more weekly flights, for a total of 3 in S11.
Weekly Bodrum on Wednesdays
Weekly Dalamans on Thursdays and Fridays(high season)
Good additions, fingers crossed Goldtrail come up with something new too!
Monastir, Bodrum and Dalaman is'nt a bad start!
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Mike
Weekly Bodrum on Wednesdays
Weekly Dalamans on Thursdays and Fridays(high season)
Good additions, fingers crossed Goldtrail come up with something new too!
Monastir, Bodrum and Dalaman is'nt a bad start!
Regards
Mike