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Well, how many times have we seen locos pull out of UK bases completely - it seems quite rare. Is there an element of the baby screaming to be treated like a grown up, and throwing its rattle out of the pram in an attempt to be seen as a big boy like Ryanair?
If there's an element of repetition here, it is that FR have already dumped all but one of their Brum routes, and that Baby are now trying to be the big player down here.
Why all the speculation about just one airline coming in? I doubt Peel would want to get their fingers burnt. Yes, sure, they could go cap in hand to Ryanair - just because they pulled CIA doesn't mean they couldn't test out a few other routes - GRO etc, and why wouldn't other airlines also operate routes IN to MME, without having to take the immediate risk of setting up a base operation?
I'm not sure about MME being BE territory - they seem to prefer airports near larger cities, and wouldn't they want decent yields to cover the capital costs of their new a/c? Globespan would make sense, as would TOM - both have presence at other Peel airports, so I'm sure the negotiations are well underway.
Now probably isn't the best of times to have to deal with this withdrawal - so will we see a rapid recovery, or will we see some poker playing before the start of the summer season.
My money would be on a couple of Ryanair routes to be announced before the end of the year, but no new base. I could then see GSM sticking in a smaller 737, but not announcing it until the start of next year.
If there's an element of repetition here, it is that FR have already dumped all but one of their Brum routes, and that Baby are now trying to be the big player down here.
Why all the speculation about just one airline coming in? I doubt Peel would want to get their fingers burnt. Yes, sure, they could go cap in hand to Ryanair - just because they pulled CIA doesn't mean they couldn't test out a few other routes - GRO etc, and why wouldn't other airlines also operate routes IN to MME, without having to take the immediate risk of setting up a base operation?
I'm not sure about MME being BE territory - they seem to prefer airports near larger cities, and wouldn't they want decent yields to cover the capital costs of their new a/c? Globespan would make sense, as would TOM - both have presence at other Peel airports, so I'm sure the negotiations are well underway.
Now probably isn't the best of times to have to deal with this withdrawal - so will we see a rapid recovery, or will we see some poker playing before the start of the summer season.
My money would be on a couple of Ryanair routes to be announced before the end of the year, but no new base. I could then see GSM sticking in a smaller 737, but not announcing it until the start of next year.
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I suspect some serious pontificating in your posting. What I tend to agree with however is that it is unlikely that between now & next summer that any Loco will jump in '100%' and take up what were two based units at MME. These things take time, marketing & equipment for starters have long lead times.
The down side is that as the BMIbaby MME operation was in itself fairly small in global terms, albeit large in terms of MME's op's. Ecconomies of scale are surely lost on single based units in what is already a very competitive market, and so any incumbent Loco is at a disadvantage to the competion at NCL & LBA before it even commences.
I also don't go too much on W's, one would need a serious number of this type of op to fill the gaps. As for Wizz unsure where this came from...probably more likely in that 'destination based' carriers may incur lower overheads / setup costs than other options. One has to ask, is such a service likely to be a sustainable high volume Loco route ? I suspect that LS developments elsewhere may have some impact on the success or failure of this.
I suspect some serious pontificating in your posting. What I tend to agree with however is that it is unlikely that between now & next summer that any Loco will jump in '100%' and take up what were two based units at MME. These things take time, marketing & equipment for starters have long lead times.
The down side is that as the BMIbaby MME operation was in itself fairly small in global terms, albeit large in terms of MME's op's. Ecconomies of scale are surely lost on single based units in what is already a very competitive market, and so any incumbent Loco is at a disadvantage to the competion at NCL & LBA before it even commences.
I also don't go too much on W's, one would need a serious number of this type of op to fill the gaps. As for Wizz unsure where this came from...probably more likely in that 'destination based' carriers may incur lower overheads / setup costs than other options. One has to ask, is such a service likely to be a sustainable high volume Loco route ? I suspect that LS developments elsewhere may have some impact on the success or failure of this.
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Well, from what I'm hearing I don't think it's going to be TOM that will be basing here.
However, does anyone know whats happening with regards to TOM Summer 2007 from DTV? Is it to be a 738, or is it to be a 752? Is there to be an aircraft at all?
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However, does anyone know whats happening with regards to TOM Summer 2007 from DTV? Is it to be a 738, or is it to be a 752? Is there to be an aircraft at all?
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Journal this morning (20th Sept)
2 pages full about the growth of the north east airports by low cost carriers and the future of both NCL and DTV.
Talks about management from both airports out in dubai at the minute.
The main point was that DTV hope to announce new routes within the next two weeks.
Talks about management from both airports out in dubai at the minute.
The main point was that DTV hope to announce new routes within the next two weeks.
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This thing in Dubai, it sounds kinda like a trade show a bit like Farnborough or Paris Air Shows? Let's hope the airport management bring a little more than themselves back to the northeast!
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Good riddance BmiBaby-MME needs a decent airline!
nice to see WW treatin the flying public of the Tees Valley region with the usual contempt and incompetence:
Yet again today a 2 hr delay on the JER and knock on cancellation of the LGW rotation and a 2 hr delay on the ALC!
Really makes me glad they're going as they're a joke...never a day goes by without a lenghtly delay it seems with WW
MME deserves better!
Yet again today a 2 hr delay on the JER and knock on cancellation of the LGW rotation and a 2 hr delay on the ALC!
Really makes me glad they're going as they're a joke...never a day goes by without a lenghtly delay it seems with WW
MME deserves better!
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From this mornings Northern Echo Friday 22 Sept:
Ryanair investigates taking off where bmibaby closed the door
RYANAIR last night said it was in discussions with Durham Tees Valley airport with a view to expanding its presence there, following the exit of low-cost rival bmibaby.
The no-frills airline, which operates flights from Teesside to Dublin, may look at launching new routes from the region over the next 18 months.
Ryanair's European sales and marketing manager, Caroline Baldwin, said: "We are growing significantly in terms of numbers of routes this year.
"I couldn't give any exact details, but it is a possibility that we would launch new routes over the next 18 months or so as we are always looking for new opportunities.
"I don't know if we would do any London routes, but we have a big presence in Spain, and we could be looking at routes to Shannon, as well as European countries, including Italy, Germany or the Nordic states."
She said Ryanair was in talks with airport bosses.
Ryanair investigates taking off where bmibaby closed the door
RYANAIR last night said it was in discussions with Durham Tees Valley airport with a view to expanding its presence there, following the exit of low-cost rival bmibaby.
The no-frills airline, which operates flights from Teesside to Dublin, may look at launching new routes from the region over the next 18 months.
Ryanair's European sales and marketing manager, Caroline Baldwin, said: "We are growing significantly in terms of numbers of routes this year.
"I couldn't give any exact details, but it is a possibility that we would launch new routes over the next 18 months or so as we are always looking for new opportunities.
"I don't know if we would do any London routes, but we have a big presence in Spain, and we could be looking at routes to Shannon, as well as European countries, including Italy, Germany or the Nordic states."
She said Ryanair was in talks with airport bosses.
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I personally don't want to see Ryanair at MME, mainly because they fly to unheard of airports rather than the main ones, e.g. Stockholm Skavsta instead of Stockholm Arlanda.
But I suppose beggars can't be choosers...
But I suppose beggars can't be choosers...
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So you think the following are airports people have never heard of !
LEI,BRI,BLL,BRE,FAO,FEZ,FUE,GRZ,MAD,AGP,MLA,RAK,MRS,PSA,OPO, REU,
RIX,SZG,TRN,VLC. To name afew.
I would put it to you that pax living in the above listed places might
not have heard of DURHAM AIRPORT.
If you dont want the routes there are many other that do.
LEI,BRI,BLL,BRE,FAO,FEZ,FUE,GRZ,MAD,AGP,MLA,RAK,MRS,PSA,OPO, REU,
RIX,SZG,TRN,VLC. To name afew.
I would put it to you that pax living in the above listed places might
not have heard of DURHAM AIRPORT.
If you dont want the routes there are many other that do.
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The only airports in the list you provided which are unheard of are BRI, FEZ, GRZ, MRS and RIX. The rest are pretty commonly known, and I've just partially contradicted myself I know.
I never said I didn't want the routes, I just said I would prefer Flyglobespan flying to Barcelona than Ryanair flying to Girona and calling it Barcelona.
I never said I didn't want the routes, I just said I would prefer Flyglobespan flying to Barcelona than Ryanair flying to Girona and calling it Barcelona.
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I think that what was meant that when you choose to fly to say Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Oslo or Milan, you actually bloody well end up there. Taking people there is a bit like bringing people to Darlington, Newcastle or York and calling the airport Durham (or will it be renamed Newcastle South or London North).
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PS. I recon the people who do the ads for RY are the same ones who do the ads for the cosmetic companies.
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PS. I recon the people who do the ads for RY are the same ones who do the ads for the cosmetic companies.
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I've heard of them, but the average passenger hasn't. Piltdown Man has the right idea, if you go to Frankfurt Hahn, you're not in Frankfurt, if you go to Frankfurt Main, you are. Unfortunately, MME is one of the airports that is named after a place it is not in.
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People must be happy with Ryanair or the company wouldnt be so big would it, and not all pax want to travel to the city centre, some are not like sheep and have a mind of their own, some want to see more of a country than just the city, lets not forget the people in these countries how live outside the city, secondry airports are convinient for alot of people just look at Stansted and Luton in this country.
There is always transport provided say for eg at CIA airport to take you to the city of Rome if thats where you want to go, and if you didnt know CIA is closer to ROME than FCO.
Ryanair do not hide the fact that they fly to secondery airports if you dont like it dont use it, there are plenty others that will.
There is always transport provided say for eg at CIA airport to take you to the city of Rome if thats where you want to go, and if you didnt know CIA is closer to ROME than FCO.
Ryanair do not hide the fact that they fly to secondery airports if you dont like it dont use it, there are plenty others that will.
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Doing deals
If one of the earlier posts is correct and the airport would not do a suitable deal for Baby over landing fees to keep them there hence the move out I might bet a pond to a penny they end up doing a far bigger deal to get Ryaniar there.
Perhaps they should have done one in the first place. Who knows.
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Perhaps they should have done one in the first place. Who knows.
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Northern Echo and DTVA road signs
There have been a number of comments about the Echo's attitude towards the airport previously, and this piece from yesterday does seem to go out of its way to be negative.
However, whether you agree with the renaming or not this isn't the way to build up the 'brand'...
"Airport asked public to pay for new signs
ROAD signs directing travellers to an airport have still not been updated - two years after its change of name caused outrage in the region.
Opponents criticised the decision to re-brand Teesside Airport and claimed that the cost of altering the signs - estimated at £250,000 - was a waste of money.
Last night, on the eve of the second anniversary of the switch to Durham Tees Valley, The Northern Echo learned that airport bosses had tried to get public cash to pay for the changes.
continued...
Airport owners Peel Holdings wanted a contribution from regional development agency One NorthEast - but were told: "You've had enough from us, already."
A spokesman for One NorthEast said: "We were approached for funding for new signage, but declined as we considered this a matter for the airport operators.
"However, One NorthEast has invested heavily in the future of the airport, funding a new £2m access road, the £530,000 passenger shuttle bus link from the main terminal to Darlington railway station and helped route development into Durham Tees Valley, such as the new Brussels service."
A total of 135 signs need to be replaced - some with wording and some with an aeroplane image - but bosses at the airport said that they were confident that they will be updated by the end of the year.
Project manager Gordon Smith said that the airport owners were on the verge of finalising an agreement with the Highways Agency to begin the work.
"Unfortunately, it has taken longer than we would have expected," said Mr Smith. "But we should be in a position fairly soon to get things under way."
The name-change was criticised by, among others, Middlesbrough Mayor Ray Mallon, Stockton South MP Dari Taylor, and Redcar and Cleveland Council cabinet chairman, Eric Empsom.
But supporters of the move insisted that the name should reflect the entire region - saying the move was favoured by the airlines operating from the airport.
Bmibaby was among a number of airlines which pushed hard for the change in the hope that the Durham name would attract more passengers from Europe.
Last week, it was announced that the company was withdrawing its low-cost services from the airport - six year-round flights and two seasonal ones.
Source: Nothern Echo website - 9:22am Saturday 23rd September 2006"
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However, whether you agree with the renaming or not this isn't the way to build up the 'brand'...
"Airport asked public to pay for new signs
ROAD signs directing travellers to an airport have still not been updated - two years after its change of name caused outrage in the region.
Opponents criticised the decision to re-brand Teesside Airport and claimed that the cost of altering the signs - estimated at £250,000 - was a waste of money.
Last night, on the eve of the second anniversary of the switch to Durham Tees Valley, The Northern Echo learned that airport bosses had tried to get public cash to pay for the changes.
continued...
Airport owners Peel Holdings wanted a contribution from regional development agency One NorthEast - but were told: "You've had enough from us, already."
A spokesman for One NorthEast said: "We were approached for funding for new signage, but declined as we considered this a matter for the airport operators.
"However, One NorthEast has invested heavily in the future of the airport, funding a new £2m access road, the £530,000 passenger shuttle bus link from the main terminal to Darlington railway station and helped route development into Durham Tees Valley, such as the new Brussels service."
A total of 135 signs need to be replaced - some with wording and some with an aeroplane image - but bosses at the airport said that they were confident that they will be updated by the end of the year.
Project manager Gordon Smith said that the airport owners were on the verge of finalising an agreement with the Highways Agency to begin the work.
"Unfortunately, it has taken longer than we would have expected," said Mr Smith. "But we should be in a position fairly soon to get things under way."
The name-change was criticised by, among others, Middlesbrough Mayor Ray Mallon, Stockton South MP Dari Taylor, and Redcar and Cleveland Council cabinet chairman, Eric Empsom.
But supporters of the move insisted that the name should reflect the entire region - saying the move was favoured by the airlines operating from the airport.
Bmibaby was among a number of airlines which pushed hard for the change in the hope that the Durham name would attract more passengers from Europe.
Last week, it was announced that the company was withdrawing its low-cost services from the airport - six year-round flights and two seasonal ones.
Source: Nothern Echo website - 9:22am Saturday 23rd September 2006"
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Looks like BMI Babyhave done the dirty on MME again!! They have reduced the based 737 to one aircraft due to a tech problem with a BHX based 737. This has caused the cancellation and delay on many flights over the last few days as they dont want to disrupt the BHX programme!! Good riddance to you from MME and lets hope you never return!! I hope the local press pick this up.
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Road signs
Not sure about road signs SWBKCB, most of us around here know where the airport is anyway, and dont like the idea of our taxes being used to prop up a daft marketing idea dreamed up by mancunians who think that running airports can be carried out by remote control yon side of the Pennines
But I can say that the departures board at Alicante was showing TEES-SIDE airport on Friday afternoon!
Whats in a name anyway?
But I can say that the departures board at Alicante was showing TEES-SIDE airport on Friday afternoon!
Whats in a name anyway?
not saying that the road signs are significant in themselves, but is this an indication of either the attitude/commitment of Peel or the competence of the local management? Whether or not you agree with the name change (and like you I don't think it makes much difference), if you're going to do it why not do it properly??
