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Doesn't the process for gaining an AOC take a couple of months at least? Also, particularly for VFR traffic, surely they need to get the seats out on sale a few months in advance. Any idea where their Boeing 767-200s are coming from, and if there are serious talks going on between UKIA, the airport and the handling agents?
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If you look at the 3 private Pakistan carriers they all harbour ambitions to operate to the UK.
Their differences with UKIA are obvious: they are already operating and hold landing and traffic rights at ISB and KHI. They are all, alledgedly, examining opportunities to compete with PAI and sourcing aircraft, although Shaheen are apparently more interested in either a code share or joint venture. Air Blue and AeroAsia have been looking for suitable Airbus aircraft, however, the market is fairly hard at the moment.
Whether any of them go it alone remains to be seen.
Of course there is also Royal Bengal Airline, a new UK venture with plans to operate to Dacca.
Their differences with UKIA are obvious: they are already operating and hold landing and traffic rights at ISB and KHI. They are all, alledgedly, examining opportunities to compete with PAI and sourcing aircraft, although Shaheen are apparently more interested in either a code share or joint venture. Air Blue and AeroAsia have been looking for suitable Airbus aircraft, however, the market is fairly hard at the moment.
Whether any of them go it alone remains to be seen.
Of course there is also Royal Bengal Airline, a new UK venture with plans to operate to Dacca.
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Just asked a few questions to their director. this is his response:
Hi Stuart
No problem at all. We have purchased 3 aircraft's. They are ex- United Airlines and our first aircraft is in Brunei having its final maintenance done. It has already been transferred onto UK register and should be here by end of December or first week of January. Our second aircraft is being ferried to Brunei as we speak for its maintenance. Our Ground Ops Manager has been talking to Service Air for handling at NEMA and seats will go on for sale only after we have received our AOC which is in its final stages and should be getting issued in Jan or Feb. We had applied our AOC in the month of July this year. You know the market that we want to go there is no need for advance sales at all. It is busy through out the year and hence no selling in advance.
Hope this answers your queries.
Asifa Rehana
Finance & HR Director
UK International Airlines
308-318 Queens Road, Queens House
Sheffield, S2 4DL
South Yorkshire
United Kingdom
Regards
Stu
Hi Stuart
No problem at all. We have purchased 3 aircraft's. They are ex- United Airlines and our first aircraft is in Brunei having its final maintenance done. It has already been transferred onto UK register and should be here by end of December or first week of January. Our second aircraft is being ferried to Brunei as we speak for its maintenance. Our Ground Ops Manager has been talking to Service Air for handling at NEMA and seats will go on for sale only after we have received our AOC which is in its final stages and should be getting issued in Jan or Feb. We had applied our AOC in the month of July this year. You know the market that we want to go there is no need for advance sales at all. It is busy through out the year and hence no selling in advance.
Hope this answers your queries.
Asifa Rehana
Finance & HR Director
UK International Airlines
308-318 Queens Road, Queens House
Sheffield, S2 4DL
South Yorkshire
United Kingdom
Regards
Stu
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Don't really want to p1ss all over your parade but the fact is that UKIA don't have rights, at the moment, to operate to ISB or KHI. They may well have rights to operate to Sharjah or DXB.
The ex United 200s are short range EM models built for the US domestic market and won't make ISB or the Gulf non stop with any reasonable payload. Also if you check the Companies House website their accounts haven't been filed; they were due 11 Oct 06.
Stuart
The email is very interesting:
but it doesn't appear on the G-Info database.
My contact, a travel agent with a major presence in the market, tells me that the market is very seasonal; peak season is Mid Nov - 31 Dec, Jan - Easter is shoulder and Easter through to Jun is low season.
Good luck to them, but don't get carried away.
Don't really want to p1ss all over your parade but the fact is that UKIA don't have rights, at the moment, to operate to ISB or KHI. They may well have rights to operate to Sharjah or DXB.
The ex United 200s are short range EM models built for the US domestic market and won't make ISB or the Gulf non stop with any reasonable payload. Also if you check the Companies House website their accounts haven't been filed; they were due 11 Oct 06.
Stuart
The email is very interesting:
It has already been transferred onto UK register
You know the market that we want to go there is no need for advance sales at all. It is busy through out the year and hence no selling in advance.
Good luck to them, but don't get carried away.
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That's really my point Stu, they say one thing but then change it when it is shown to be in error. Don't take anything at face value; plans are not the same as reality.
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Just asked a few questions to their director. this is his response:
Hi Stuart
No problem at all. We have purchased 3 aircraft's. They are ex- United Airlines and our first aircraft is in Brunei having its final maintenance done. It has already been transferred onto UK register and should be here by end of December or first week of January. Our second aircraft is being ferried to Brunei as we speak for its maintenance. Our Ground Ops Manager has been talking to Service Air for handling at NEMA and seats will go on for sale only after we have received our AOC which is in its final stages and should be getting issued in Jan or Feb. We had applied our AOC in the month of July this year. You know the market that we want to go there is no need for advance sales at all. It is busy through out the year and hence no selling in advance.
Hi Stuart
No problem at all. We have purchased 3 aircraft's. They are ex- United Airlines and our first aircraft is in Brunei having its final maintenance done. It has already been transferred onto UK register and should be here by end of December or first week of January. Our second aircraft is being ferried to Brunei as we speak for its maintenance. Our Ground Ops Manager has been talking to Service Air for handling at NEMA and seats will go on for sale only after we have received our AOC which is in its final stages and should be getting issued in Jan or Feb. We had applied our AOC in the month of July this year. You know the market that we want to go there is no need for advance sales at all. It is busy through out the year and hence no selling in advance.
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Not to discredit what UKIA stands for, but based on the general lexicon of this official email I'd say it is pretty unprofessional for a UK based airline. Poor grammar, incorrect spelling of the handling agent they claim to be using - it doesn't bode very well really. I would love for UKIA to succeed, there is a real need for an airline to connect the Midlands with longhaul destinations particularly in Asia, however I would not like this to become the Midlands' answer to an airline like Air Scotland. It's a shame really that a more established airline (dare I say bmi) hasn't had the thought of launching flights to this market.
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Good that there is progress towards getting the aircraft on the register.
I note that that the C of A hasn't yet been issued.
The aircraft (MSN 21864) is ex-United, 767 line number 004
built in 1981, and has been parked up for the last 18+ months. I would imagine there'll be some work involved to make it JAA-compliant, but hopefully that's already been done.
I note that that the C of A hasn't yet been issued.
The aircraft (MSN 21864) is ex-United, 767 line number 004
built in 1981, and has been parked up for the last 18+ months. I would imagine there'll be some work involved to make it JAA-compliant, but hopefully that's already been done.
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Sounds promising, when are the flights due to start because the airline's website just says starting soon. Any ideas?
If and when the flights start it will be a major break-through for EMA. Is the airline actually going to be EMA based, because they have plans for flights out of Manchester and Gatwick too?
Thanks SAM-EMA
If and when the flights start it will be a major break-through for EMA. Is the airline actually going to be EMA based, because they have plans for flights out of Manchester and Gatwick too?
Thanks SAM-EMA
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I have called UKIA and spoken to them. Have to admire their honesty. They said their new website is being developed "because the current one is....well, crap basically."
That is exactly what they said!
And exactly what i thought!! lol
That is exactly what they said!
And exactly what i thought!! lol
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