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excuse me
let me tell you people very clearly and honestly that i have no relationship or the ownerhip in UKIA first of all clear your minds friend what i wrote becuase since long when ukia was launched when it ets the AOC , they start their operations and then suspended it i was completely following it up and i never had a good comments from any one this forums give us the information about the aviation it dosent mean that we critisize all the time there are people who worked for ukia as well , my request with those people are ukia has given you a job a career to start unfortunately things goes wrong . if they are not getting the investers its that ukia owner and staff fault ?
i would like to tell all my friend be positive sometimes fo a change always critisiom doesnt make any diffrence to ukia owners but your 1 word of support will definetly support them..
one last thing i would say that did they ever said that they dont give you the salary they will definetly paid every one that 1 thing is sure ....and why you people who worked there sine the start they were paying you since they dind get the AOC at that time they paid your dues now if they are really in a problem we should realize this .
again iam not an owner neither a employee or relative but as a industry person i would say i think ....
i would like to tell all my friend be positive sometimes fo a change always critisiom doesnt make any diffrence to ukia owners but your 1 word of support will definetly support them..
one last thing i would say that did they ever said that they dont give you the salary they will definetly paid every one that 1 thing is sure ....and why you people who worked there sine the start they were paying you since they dind get the AOC at that time they paid your dues now if they are really in a problem we should realize this .
again iam not an owner neither a employee or relative but as a industry person i would say i think ....
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No, sorry, I didn't quite catch that, say again.
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David007, Your comments smack of someone either very close to UKIA and its founding family or you are an eternal optimist. I suggest you read and then re-read this thread in its entirety, from beginning to end. Only then will you get a clear picture of what has happened at UKIA, and only then might you understand why support for your opinion is lacking on here.
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David007, Your comments smack of someone either very close to UKIA and its founding family or you are an eternal optimist. I suggest you read and then re-read this thread in its entirety, from beginning to end. Only then will you get a clear picture of what has happened at UKIA, and only then might you understand why support for your opinion is lacking on here.
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Im sorry but I dont believe you, you know far too much information be be an outsider.
Is it the owners fault that they cant get investors? YES! If they didn't run such a shoddy outfit and actually LISTENED to the professionals who knew what they were doing then UKIA would not be in this mess.
You say that the employees will be paid what they are owed? Well lets see, I think thy have waited far too long and suffered dearly as a consequence. AND LET ME POINT OUT TO YOU that UKIA employees were NOT jobless individuals looking for a quick entry into the aviation industry, nearly all of them left good jobs to join this "wonderful new airline" and believed everything the owner told them, but look waht has happened to them now. UKIA has NOT provided them with a job or career. UKIA has left them stranded, pennyless with severe financial problems. They have NOTHING to thank UKIA for!
Take your pleas for support somewhere else because you wont find it here!
P.S If your support for UKIA was slammed months ago? How come you have only made 3 posts?
Is it the owners fault that they cant get investors? YES! If they didn't run such a shoddy outfit and actually LISTENED to the professionals who knew what they were doing then UKIA would not be in this mess.
You say that the employees will be paid what they are owed? Well lets see, I think thy have waited far too long and suffered dearly as a consequence. AND LET ME POINT OUT TO YOU that UKIA employees were NOT jobless individuals looking for a quick entry into the aviation industry, nearly all of them left good jobs to join this "wonderful new airline" and believed everything the owner told them, but look waht has happened to them now. UKIA has NOT provided them with a job or career. UKIA has left them stranded, pennyless with severe financial problems. They have NOTHING to thank UKIA for!
Take your pleas for support somewhere else because you wont find it here!
P.S If your support for UKIA was slammed months ago? How come you have only made 3 posts?
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I have to agree with Aviator10 and the others: when UKIA was first mooted as Air Tigra and the owner proposed to use the 767EM and tech stop, various places were put forward by him as being suitable. These ranged from Odessa to Ankara and Istanbul.
The inherent problems of this strategy, and the patent unsuitability of the aircraft for the stage length, were completely ignored. As a result of this, and other issues, the first group of designated managers bailed out because their protestations were being ignored; regrettably , there are always others who will rise to an impossible challenge and try to make a silk purse from the proverbial.
The inherent problems of this strategy, and the patent unsuitability of the aircraft for the stage length, were completely ignored. As a result of this, and other issues, the first group of designated managers bailed out because their protestations were being ignored; regrettably , there are always others who will rise to an impossible challenge and try to make a silk purse from the proverbial.
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ok friends if you think that iam one of them so thats your mistake iam outsider with no relations with ukia , what i have written is what i feel and saw you people cant see the realities my suggestion to you friends that always see the reality what exactly happened then post your comments. what you people discussed on this forum are based on rumour or might be happened with some of the individuals. so MY INDUSTRY PROFFESIONALS instead of spreading rumours be positive for a change ....
I know some people who are working in UKIA till to date they strongly believe that they will start the airline again they are not wasting the time on reading this forum posts which are based on rumors..
anyways my job as a industry proffesional to give the message to my friends in this forum to make this airline start again but what i fell now that nobody wants this ailine to grow ....
but my prayers and best wishes are always with the owners that they will again start this airline and change the mind of the people on this forum
I know some people who are working in UKIA till to date they strongly believe that they will start the airline again they are not wasting the time on reading this forum posts which are based on rumors..
anyways my job as a industry proffesional to give the message to my friends in this forum to make this airline start again but what i fell now that nobody wants this ailine to grow ....
but my prayers and best wishes are always with the owners that they will again start this airline and change the mind of the people on this forum
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David007
What "industry professional" sector are you in ?
I am intrigued, as it might help me understand your position on UKIA.
Stoney
What "industry professional" sector are you in ?
I am intrigued, as it might help me understand your position on UKIA.
Stoney
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come on stoney ,
iam not in UKIA i informed everybody so many times if you dont belive what can i say and suppose if iam in UKIA so then i am giving you a clear picture based on reality so come on start believing what i said.. one more thing why are you people stick to 1 thing that iam one of them just becuase iam favouring them if i was against them then nobody asked thse quetions... so my friend take things positives some times always look at the both side of the mirror that will help you in future
iam not in UKIA i informed everybody so many times if you dont belive what can i say and suppose if iam in UKIA so then i am giving you a clear picture based on reality so come on start believing what i said.. one more thing why are you people stick to 1 thing that iam one of them just becuase iam favouring them if i was against them then nobody asked thse quetions... so my friend take things positives some times always look at the both side of the mirror that will help you in future
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Oh stop your waffling and tell someone who cares. Until UKIA show solid evidence that they are changing and are truely sorry for the way they have treated their employees then Im not the slightest bit interested in anything you have to say.
UKIA is DEAD and the sooner the owners realise this the better.
Where is the money coming from? - NOWHERE
Where will UKIA find employees to work for them? - NOWHERE
Will the CAA ever give them ther license back?- NO
Have all of the pax who paid for flights recieved their money back?- NO
Would pax ever trust UKIA with their money again if it was to start up again?- NO
Have the employees recieved their money?- NO
WAKE UP
UKIA is DEAD and the sooner the owners realise this the better.
Where is the money coming from? - NOWHERE
Where will UKIA find employees to work for them? - NOWHERE
Will the CAA ever give them ther license back?- NO
Have all of the pax who paid for flights recieved their money back?- NO
Would pax ever trust UKIA with their money again if it was to start up again?- NO
Have the employees recieved their money?- NO
WAKE UP
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why are you getting upset did you worked for ukia ?
they are not dead they are still ailive working hard to start up again if this not the case they will file bank currapcy uptill now and the employess who are still working there will be at their home ...
for your kind info CAA has not confisicate their licence it was UKIA who have voluntry suspended their license and i will release in a day time when ever UKIA wants..
iam sure and its cast on the stone that once ukia starts if you were the part of UKIA will be the first to resume your duty if you are still un employed or you can ask your othe collegue they have confirm their availabilty ...
the rest if you think that you will ot get the passenger you are living in a fools heaven the time will tell my dear ...
yeh on this point iam agreed that they have not paid the salary or the dues from the passenger the reason they have no money if they do so they will do it long time back ...they really want to pay the money of every one once they get it thats the reason they have not declared the bank currapcy becuase it they do that they dont have to pay any one and they will go home happily but as far as my assumption i know they wont do that....
so my friend there are other things in this world to do except critisisom dont assume yourself and make other people assume that they are shady charachters every body is not same like the fingers of your hand ...
they are not dead they are still ailive working hard to start up again if this not the case they will file bank currapcy uptill now and the employess who are still working there will be at their home ...
for your kind info CAA has not confisicate their licence it was UKIA who have voluntry suspended their license and i will release in a day time when ever UKIA wants..
iam sure and its cast on the stone that once ukia starts if you were the part of UKIA will be the first to resume your duty if you are still un employed or you can ask your othe collegue they have confirm their availabilty ...
the rest if you think that you will ot get the passenger you are living in a fools heaven the time will tell my dear ...
yeh on this point iam agreed that they have not paid the salary or the dues from the passenger the reason they have no money if they do so they will do it long time back ...they really want to pay the money of every one once they get it thats the reason they have not declared the bank currapcy becuase it they do that they dont have to pay any one and they will go home happily but as far as my assumption i know they wont do that....
so my friend there are other things in this world to do except critisisom dont assume yourself and make other people assume that they are shady charachters every body is not same like the fingers of your hand ...
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and one more thing my friend aviato that if you really want to see ukia is changing go and discussed with the owner he is a changed man now he wants this airline to grow with the people of Britian but iam sorry to say this the people of our industry have so many things to do except face the reality .... so my suggestion to you please be optimistic and for a change think positive for someone
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While awaiting every word from our Dave with bated breath for the amusement quality of his prose I did a little checking.
I can see more about him than you. The subject is actually serious and, without impinging on his anonymity, I am satisfied that that he isn't offering opinion but blatant spin on behalf of UKIA. You should be very careful what you place on social networking sites like facebook and LinkedIn folks
As and until the creditors are dealt with and aviation professionals treated as such Davy boy is blocked from this thread. His quite remarkable style makes reregistering a deeply entertaining prospect for you all though.
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I can see more about him than you. The subject is actually serious and, without impinging on his anonymity, I am satisfied that that he isn't offering opinion but blatant spin on behalf of UKIA. You should be very careful what you place on social networking sites like facebook and LinkedIn folks
As and until the creditors are dealt with and aviation professionals treated as such Davy boy is blocked from this thread. His quite remarkable style makes reregistering a deeply entertaining prospect for you all though.
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Its more than clear from the English you are useing you are in fact the manageing director of UKIA. You and UKIA have left the loyal and hardworking Cabin Crew, Pilots and Management in a financial hole due to the inability to pay the staff.
You want to forgive and forget? Would you if the shoe was on the other foot?
I think the fact you can ignor so many e-mails and telephone calls from very worried staff trying to reclaim lost money from you and then sit on here writing messages speaks volumes.
As for a changed man? Don't make us laugh! Crooks never change!
You want to forgive and forget? Would you if the shoe was on the other foot?
I think the fact you can ignor so many e-mails and telephone calls from very worried staff trying to reclaim lost money from you and then sit on here writing messages speaks volumes.
As for a changed man? Don't make us laugh! Crooks never change!
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Problems of UKIA
I didn't work for UKIA so I have been trying to get some information. It seems like it didn't have clear cut between ownership and management. Maybe their finance wasn't good enough so leaving all to management may was not acceptable to UKIA ownership. I saw some people saying its HQ is inside furniture showroom and office. Is it true? Maybe owners of UKIA didn't have experience on running an airline. Like Stelios of EasyJet, owners of UKIA should left management to management staff if those who worked there were proper experts. I don't know degree of experience management staff there had. If non Industry experts set up airlines then they should hire professional experts to run it instead of making decisions of their own against experts. I now know what has been going on in UKIA and I have sympathy for ex-employees. On the other hands I feel sorry to see another airline is going to disappear.
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I rang the owner of ukia and he was rude, abrupt and he has no peoples skills and because he knows he has not paid taxes and wages he is not willing to talk to anyone in regards to this. He has no intention of paying anyone and he is buying time to get himself out of trouble . He had no intention for this company to work.
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I think you are being a little harsh on Manawar Khaliq when you state he had no intention for the company to work. Mr K had every intention of making the company work and the plans he had were ambitious and seemed realisable, although perhaps not within the timespan he envisaged. He certainly managed to get buy in and financial backing of some serious players, both in the UK and abroad. For all I know may still have.
His problem (as I saw it) was he simply would not listen to the people who were trying to help him, whether with getting the project off the ground or the ancilliary stuff that goes with such a large project. There was a great deal of will from without for his dreams to succeed, but the ego was greater than the skills. He would not listen to advice and when challenged would simply say one of "I have poeple who will do this if you won't/can't/are unwilling to do what I want rather than what you advise." A somewhat overbearing and almost bullying stance, if you wish.
It is a shame, because the potential for the service he wanted to provide was and remains massive.
The furniture store is pretty downmarket dreadful in my opinion, too.
His problem (as I saw it) was he simply would not listen to the people who were trying to help him, whether with getting the project off the ground or the ancilliary stuff that goes with such a large project. There was a great deal of will from without for his dreams to succeed, but the ego was greater than the skills. He would not listen to advice and when challenged would simply say one of "I have poeple who will do this if you won't/can't/are unwilling to do what I want rather than what you advise." A somewhat overbearing and almost bullying stance, if you wish.
It is a shame, because the potential for the service he wanted to provide was and remains massive.
The furniture store is pretty downmarket dreadful in my opinion, too.
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Why not end it now?
If owner of UKIA is not interested in saving UKIA, why doesn't he close down the company now? Once it is gone, people here wouldn't talk about UKIA anymore. It is a limited liability company so its closure would end all the criticism and be a part of history. Agony, hope of ex-employees would end too and open the door for them to look for job opportunities else where. Buying time wouldn't help him either. Don't you think ending it now is better option than keeping it long?
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well..
As i see it .... i am not being harsh on the owner because i now know his family history he has done a tax scam before.
To be fair I may of been at slight fault as i should of listened to family and friends before joining a organisation that was owned by Del Boy.
He is remaining to trade because as a limited company you have to wait for a date to go to court to justify your cost and expenditures whilst in operation for the court to put a company into liquidisation and also transfer anything of value into a one of his millions of brothers name. This can take up to months.
The only thing Great at UKIA was all staff members that where not related to the owner, and the reason why many stayed was because of the fantastic people at east midlands operations, head of flight operations and cabin crew manager.
Why would a business man not pay taxs for his employees if he had the intention to run a scamfree operation.
The owner has such a bad reputation within the industrys, i spoke to a GSA and said no one would go near him... so he now is he pinning his hope on the Luton GSA.
Loads of debt, One aircraft... not his any more,no aoc, one GSA.. No post holders.. no cabin crew... Looks like it will take off pretty soon.. (NOT)
AND i never knew that investers invested in debt... Does he think we was all born yesterday. Really he needs to give what he owes and go back to his furniture shop which i think he probably doesn't have the skill to do.
To be fair I may of been at slight fault as i should of listened to family and friends before joining a organisation that was owned by Del Boy.
He is remaining to trade because as a limited company you have to wait for a date to go to court to justify your cost and expenditures whilst in operation for the court to put a company into liquidisation and also transfer anything of value into a one of his millions of brothers name. This can take up to months.
The only thing Great at UKIA was all staff members that where not related to the owner, and the reason why many stayed was because of the fantastic people at east midlands operations, head of flight operations and cabin crew manager.
Why would a business man not pay taxs for his employees if he had the intention to run a scamfree operation.
The owner has such a bad reputation within the industrys, i spoke to a GSA and said no one would go near him... so he now is he pinning his hope on the Luton GSA.
Loads of debt, One aircraft... not his any more,no aoc, one GSA.. No post holders.. no cabin crew... Looks like it will take off pretty soon.. (NOT)
AND i never knew that investers invested in debt... Does he think we was all born yesterday. Really he needs to give what he owes and go back to his furniture shop which i think he probably doesn't have the skill to do.
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S'funny that no-one has picked up on Xtypeman's comments, a page back....
A few months ago, UKIA would have had their business plan analysed in some considerable depth by our friends in the CAA. The CAA would have stress tested all the assumptions in the plan - lease charges, loads, yields, fuel prices, engineering costs - the works - in order to come up with the magic number, the level of funding that UKIA would have had to prove they had, to ensure that they could run for 24 months, at hand prior to the operating licence being granted - and this cannot take into account monies paid for tickets, since you aren't allowed to flog tickets until you have an operating licence.
The CAA are not naive, and are not stupid. The plan they would have seen and approved must have held water. They would certainly have made some nasty assumptions on fuel prices!
Now, certain factors can blow a business plan apart - if Boeing had grounded the 767 for months, or the UK suddenly fell out with the countries that UKIA wanted to fly to - you can't really allow for such nasties. But I wasn't aware there had been any since UKIA launched....
But the fact remains, that a matter of months in to the 24 month plan, UKIA have seemingly run out of cash. Wool has been pulled over eyes here, I think...
TA
A few months ago, UKIA would have had their business plan analysed in some considerable depth by our friends in the CAA. The CAA would have stress tested all the assumptions in the plan - lease charges, loads, yields, fuel prices, engineering costs - the works - in order to come up with the magic number, the level of funding that UKIA would have had to prove they had, to ensure that they could run for 24 months, at hand prior to the operating licence being granted - and this cannot take into account monies paid for tickets, since you aren't allowed to flog tickets until you have an operating licence.
The CAA are not naive, and are not stupid. The plan they would have seen and approved must have held water. They would certainly have made some nasty assumptions on fuel prices!
Now, certain factors can blow a business plan apart - if Boeing had grounded the 767 for months, or the UK suddenly fell out with the countries that UKIA wanted to fly to - you can't really allow for such nasties. But I wasn't aware there had been any since UKIA launched....
But the fact remains, that a matter of months in to the 24 month plan, UKIA have seemingly run out of cash. Wool has been pulled over eyes here, I think...
TA