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With LGW-LUX gone, I assume plan will be that the 737 will be used to replace current A319 ops at LGW and release all/any (?) remaining A319s to go back to LHR and then, via a bit of a slots re-juggle, BA will be able use some of the slots release to help "fund" Air Berlin's move into LGW.
I'd be surprised if any other new LGW routes for Summer 2011 were announced at this point...but wait to be proven wrong!
I'd be surprised if any other new LGW routes for Summer 2011 were announced at this point...but wait to be proven wrong!
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I don't think they have any A319 operations left at LGW except as cover for tech B737s. It may be that they just need a spare B737 to keep the operation on schedule now all the B733s and B735s are gone.
Last couple of times I have been through the North Terrible there's only been a handful of BA, all Boeing.
Last couple of times I have been through the North Terrible there's only been a handful of BA, all Boeing.
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As far as i am aware for the summer schedule there was some A319 ops, with the backup capacity being from one or two A320's which are parked up at LGW awaiting return. G-BUSI for instance was kept in a ready state to be used as a short notice sub
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Why has LGW been snow closed since midnight last night and not expected to open until 06.00Z tomorrow ? After last years debacle I thought they may have made some effort to provide the services for which the airlines pay a fortune. Is it the wrong kind of snow or just a lack of management and investment ? That being the case perhaps the owners should be made to compensate the passengers since this Euro Passenger Charter is proving to be utter madness in terms of making the airlines accountable for everybody elses ineptitude.
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If you buy a product from Tesco and it is faulty, who is liable to compensate the consumer?
It is Tesco, not the manufacturer.
So if the airline cannot fly THEIR pax, they have to provide the stipulated care.
Of course, the airline may seek redress against the airport and that is quite right. The EU assumes that businesses (airlines) can look after themselves, but it protects the consumer.
It is an arguable point as to whether snow in winter is considered óutside the control' of the airline, I tend to think that it is not, the airlines need to satisfy themselves that their airports have the right equipment to deal with snow and ice or run the risk of paying the penalty in the form of 261/2004 compo.
If LHR is open and not LGW, why? Was there an apocalyptic storm in Sussex or just a lack of equipment/consumables?
If you buy a product from Tesco and it is faulty, who is liable to compensate the consumer?
It is Tesco, not the manufacturer.
So if the airline cannot fly THEIR pax, they have to provide the stipulated care.
Of course, the airline may seek redress against the airport and that is quite right. The EU assumes that businesses (airlines) can look after themselves, but it protects the consumer.
It is an arguable point as to whether snow in winter is considered óutside the control' of the airline, I tend to think that it is not, the airlines need to satisfy themselves that their airports have the right equipment to deal with snow and ice or run the risk of paying the penalty in the form of 261/2004 compo.
If LHR is open and not LGW, why? Was there an apocalyptic storm in Sussex or just a lack of equipment/consumables?
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I was at a meeting at LGW back in March where a senior LGW manager stated that "Coming from the US, the Feb snow closures at LGW would never have happened there. He was going to write a cheque to get some modern state of the art snow clearing equipment to ensure it wouldn't happen again. And it wouldn't have happened in the US. And he came from the US etc etc" 
So, as the first snow hits LGW the question is:
Did he write that cheque?
So, as the first snow hits LGW the question is:
Did he write that cheque?
Joao,
It was primarily the former, with a dash of the latter thrown in.
YouTube - Snow closes Gatwick Airport
It was primarily the former, with a dash of the latter thrown in.
YouTube - Snow closes Gatwick Airport
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YouTube - Snow closes Gatwick Airport
Has anyone got a copy of Gatwick Airport Snow plan......looking at the footage its clear they dont have one....not a good advert is it...oh deah
Has anyone got a copy of Gatwick Airport Snow plan......looking at the footage its clear they dont have one....not a good advert is it...oh deah
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Reason Heathrow open and Gatwick closed is obvious when you consider the weather. There was heavy snow over southeast England but virtually none around Heathrow. Simple - not rocket science!
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Reason Heathrow open and Gatwick closed is obvious when you consider the weather. There was heavy snow over southeast England but virtually none around Heathrow. Simple - not rocket science!
This is not heavy snow, please get a grip.
]All over the world airports close because it is difficult to clear.
If you watch the snow ploughs in the video, they are clearing it easily and the roads have self cleared.
Just more excuses from a country that cannot manage normal winter conditions and prefers to wimp out.
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It's a very sad state.
Taxiing out on Sunday, it looked like all of gatwick's snow clearing equipment was out on show.
The equipment was 8 sweepers and some tractors with large scoops on the front and some other bits.
How are 8 sweepers enough to clear a runway and the major taxiways? Gatwick and maybe the UK's problem is that they insist on clearing back to black. Operating up to scandi and finland they are capable of providing braking actions on the runway and apron allowing us, the company and pilots, to make a judgement.
Taxiing out on Sunday, it looked like all of gatwick's snow clearing equipment was out on show.
The equipment was 8 sweepers and some tractors with large scoops on the front and some other bits.
How are 8 sweepers enough to clear a runway and the major taxiways? Gatwick and maybe the UK's problem is that they insist on clearing back to black. Operating up to scandi and finland they are capable of providing braking actions on the runway and apron allowing us, the company and pilots, to make a judgement.
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Along with thousands of others, I was caught up in the LGW closure today. I had a late afternoon flight out and was staying in a hotel nearby.
It snowed fairly constantly during the night and at about 0730 when I went out there were about 5cm. of snow on the roads, and a short car journey was difficult but possible. I was surprised at 0900 to hear that the airport had closed due to such a comparatively small snowfall. Easyjet texted me within 10 minutes advising of the cancellation. Can't fault that.
Later in the day I was in the Heathrow area (after a long and freezing journey from Gatwick to Weybridge) where there was far less snow than in Surrey.
It snowed fairly constantly during the night and at about 0730 when I went out there were about 5cm. of snow on the roads, and a short car journey was difficult but possible. I was surprised at 0900 to hear that the airport had closed due to such a comparatively small snowfall. Easyjet texted me within 10 minutes advising of the cancellation. Can't fault that.
Later in the day I was in the Heathrow area (after a long and freezing journey from Gatwick to Weybridge) where there was far less snow than in Surrey.
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<<This is not heavy snow, please get a grip.>>
I don't need to get a grip, as you put it, it's now snowing here. I refer you to TV pictures of Gatwick and surrounding areas......
I don't need to get a grip, as you put it, it's now snowing here. I refer you to TV pictures of Gatwick and surrounding areas......
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Ha ha.
This is not heavy snow, please get a grip.
This is not heavy snow, please get a grip.
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Just more excuses from a country that cannot manage normal winter conditions and prefers to wimp out.
If every airport in the country was shut you may just have a point, they are clearly not and in a lot of cases have coped well with the snow.
Please do not generalise or tar us all with the same brush, clearly something has gone badly wrong at Gatwick, it has not elsewhere.
If every airport in the country was shut you may just have a point, they are clearly not and in a lot of cases have coped well with the snow.
Please do not generalise or tar us all with the same brush, clearly something has gone badly wrong at Gatwick, it has not elsewhere.
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I wonder what all these clever dicks would suggest in the event of fog - which I've seen many, many more times than snow at Heathrow? Perhaps employ a 1000 people full time to blow the fog away? It would not be commercially viable, I venture to suggest, to have adequate resources available on a full-time basis to combat the rare occasions when snow becomes a major problem. One airfield manager, speaking on BBC News, said they had a large number of people attempting to clear the runway but as they cleared a path, the snow fell behind them filling in what they had just cleared? Any sensible ideas for combatting that little problem?