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Wow, Canada really is big business at Gatwick now with Air Transat, Air Canada Rouge and Westjet and a whole raft of routes. Great stuff.
I wonder what it is about the Canadian market that makes all this possible and if there are lessons for elsewhere?
I wonder what it is about the Canadian market that makes all this possible and if there are lessons for elsewhere?
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I've not read it and as I don't connect through LGW - I probably won't!
Gatwick unveils flight connection guarantee to eliminate financial risk of 'self-connecting' - News & Advice - Travel - The Independent
Gatwick unveils flight connection guarantee to eliminate financial risk of 'self-connecting' - News & Advice - Travel - The Independent
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That is an interesting idea, will be interesting to see how it pans out, although it is good to see some innovation with regard to making LGW more of a 'hub' airport.
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I've not read it and as I don't connect through LGW - I probably won't!
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Hardly an innovative idea....Milan have been doing it for a few years now
http://www.flyviamilano.eu/en/how-it-works
http://www.flyviamilano.eu/en/how-it-works
I realize that you are being sarcastic here but, the fact is that many "High Profile" airlines did precisely what you deride ie. use Gatwick as a waiting room for Heathrow. AAL, DAL, USA, CCA, CPA, ANZ, Air Vietnam Nam to name just a few. It doesn't detract from the attraction of Gatwick, it simply illustrates that to many of these sorts of airlines Heathrow is more attractive. But, it also does not mean that Gatwick is unattractive to many other airlines. West Jet is one of these & I wish them well with their services, especially as it means greater connectivity for me from the only really useable London airport with a good service to Jersey.
I think you would begin to understand the reality of the Heathrow/Gatwick relationship if you could accept the fact that Heathrow, for whatever reasons (& maybe, irrational ones at times) is more attractive to the sorts of airlines which have abandoned Gatwick for it.
I think you would begin to understand the reality of the Heathrow/Gatwick relationship if you could accept the fact that Heathrow, for whatever reasons (& maybe, irrational ones at times) is more attractive to the sorts of airlines which have abandoned Gatwick for it.
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I can understand quite well the attractions of Lhr. Lhr has almost monopoly power now for the reasons you state, airlines want to move there. In the process, keep Lgw from becoming a competitor and in turn, you are able to push up prices due supply and demand. He presto, everyone wins except the paying passenger, that is you and me. So it is in the interests of most of the travel industry to convince us that Lhr is the best option for everything and with that happening, make Lhr even more appealing for airlines. It is revealing that the recent report states that Lhr will only provide 2/3 new destinations more than an expanded Lgw could provide. Yet the tone of that report is that Lhr is far and away the best option. For who? Because as I see it, support for an expanded Lhr means higher fares for all of us who have to use it. That is the way the providers have it now and want it to stay.
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I am willing to accept that there is something in what you say about the airlines & their charges, & the associated reasons for them wanting Heathrow to be further developed & to be the recipient of the new runway.
However, I take Boris Johnson's latest claims about the reduction in domestic routes & failure to increase international routes from Heathrow with a very great pinch of salt.
Until it happens, there can be absolutely no certainty about what happens at Heathrow consequent upon it receiving the new runway. For BJ to make these claims is nothing short of clutching at straws & saying anything to desperately try & achieve his aims.
However, I don't mean to include you in this , as I do agree that you have a creditable argument in what you have said in reply to my last post. Time will tell.
However, I take Boris Johnson's latest claims about the reduction in domestic routes & failure to increase international routes from Heathrow with a very great pinch of salt.
Until it happens, there can be absolutely no certainty about what happens at Heathrow consequent upon it receiving the new runway. For BJ to make these claims is nothing short of clutching at straws & saying anything to desperately try & achieve his aims.
However, I don't mean to include you in this , as I do agree that you have a creditable argument in what you have said in reply to my last post. Time will tell.
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I would say Westjet is a Gatwick keeper as is Air Canada Rouge. Transat tried LHR for a few years but settled back on LGW. P2P leisure with little premium frills is a market LGW excels at.
There's no upside in chasing higher yield at LHR when you're aiming almost exclusively and squarely at the price conscious market.
Why do you say LGW is not allowed to compete with LHR? It's been a competitor since day one, it just cannot possibly succeed in certain markets with LHR so close and with a critical mass of legacy / protected connections and alliance partners. LHR doesn't mind if LGW gets a second runway, LGW does violently object to LHR getting another runway as the market for many routes will simply not be at LGW if that restriction is lifted.
There's no upside in chasing higher yield at LHR when you're aiming almost exclusively and squarely at the price conscious market.
Why do you say LGW is not allowed to compete with LHR? It's been a competitor since day one, it just cannot possibly succeed in certain markets with LHR so close and with a critical mass of legacy / protected connections and alliance partners. LHR doesn't mind if LGW gets a second runway, LGW does violently object to LHR getting another runway as the market for many routes will simply not be at LGW if that restriction is lifted.
Could well be wrong but I thought Westjet announced recently they want to move away from the bargain basement crowd and aim more at passengers who will pay more for a more comfortable environment. Maybe not ready for LHR yet but heading in that direction long term...
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LHR doesn't mind if LGW gets a second runway, LGW does violently object to LHR getting another runway as the market for many routes will simply not be at LGW if that restriction is lifted.
Clearly Heathrow management would be in there from day 1 irrespective of what happens at Gatwick, but not convinced that the reverse is also the case.
Perhaps indicative of which option is really the stronger business case and therefore viable.
Gatwick management is currently spending a hell of a lot of dosh on regular 4-page spreads in the London Evening Standard rubbishing Heathrow.....
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I think the context is in terms of LGW getting the one runway at the expense of LHR. If we get an additional runway at LHR and LGW, it's little skin off LHR's nose.
