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There is always some churn of LHR slots, but the slots people want to allow feed into other European and domestic services are not available.
Personally i refuse to buy into this either LGW or LHR get a new runway argument, any Government with an ounce of sense post May should take Davis and say if either or both of the above want additional runway capacity get on with it. LGW would have it in use in half the time that LHR could and the UK needs it yesterday!! it would be easy to PR the LGW case which already has two independent but independently unusable runways to say no net increase in runways because we would close 26R/08L.
Assuming that both can finance these projects? the jobs boost to the South would be enormous, the South is the UK's power house no amount of money spent in the North of England will bring the same ROI, most visitors to the UK come to visit London, then perhaps York or maybe Edinburgh, but London is the number one pull by a million miles.
LHR is ideal for a vast range of destinations and connecting flights using the alliances, LGW is quick for central London and ideal for European visitors, mid size aircraft and point2point long haul flights
Personally i refuse to buy into this either LGW or LHR get a new runway argument, any Government with an ounce of sense post May should take Davis and say if either or both of the above want additional runway capacity get on with it. LGW would have it in use in half the time that LHR could and the UK needs it yesterday!! it would be easy to PR the LGW case which already has two independent but independently unusable runways to say no net increase in runways because we would close 26R/08L.
Assuming that both can finance these projects? the jobs boost to the South would be enormous, the South is the UK's power house no amount of money spent in the North of England will bring the same ROI, most visitors to the UK come to visit London, then perhaps York or maybe Edinburgh, but London is the number one pull by a million miles.
LHR is ideal for a vast range of destinations and connecting flights using the alliances, LGW is quick for central London and ideal for European visitors, mid size aircraft and point2point long haul flights
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In an ideal world Gatwick would get a 2nd runway and Heathrow a 3rd, with preparations made for a 4th when 3 reach 85-90% capacity. But since that would be logical, effective and involves some long term thinking and consideration it will never get past any dithering politicians. 
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1. It is surprising the number of people who do not want to see Lgw have any success in the long haul market. It seems Lhr has a right to this business.
The obsession by airlines to operate from Lhr, whether there is a good business reason or not. Not all decisions to operate from Lhr have proved successful either. How many more pax will now use this service because it uses Lhr rather than Lgw who would otherwise not have travelled?
3. I was reading today a comment that Lhr had been talking to VN for years and have a waiting list of 30 airlines. Well would they not be better operating from Lgw than waiting for years?
For many years now we have been listening to the fact that Lhr is full, yet it is still able to take airlines from Lgw. When does full actually mean full? I see Agean had obtained slots quickly for a new service from Lhr to Lca!
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Since MSE was so far east......it was almost in Belgium I dont think you can count MSE as SE England. Even then it mostly Freighters and not SLF and what SLF there was, was odd charters and KLM being the only schedule service ? Unless I have forgotten any other scheduled carriers for SLF use.
LGW would have it in use in half the time
Actually I believe that if Heathrow had presented its case a few years ago as a "Runway 23 realignment" rather than a "new runway" they could have made a much better and less confrontational case than has happened. It could all have been dressed up as "for safety reasons .... realigned so as not to be conflicting .... just a transfer of a runway .... saving noise in Northolt and Harrow" etc.
Though the Heathrow PR machine is already doing pretty well in selling propositions like this to the media:
A third runway at Heathrow would mean less noise for 300,000 residents ? new analysis - Airport World Magazine
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Since MSE was so far east......it was almost in Belgium I dont think you can count MSE as SE England. Even then it mostly Freighters and not SLF and what SLF there was, was odd charters and KLM being the only schedule service ? Unless I have forgotten any other scheduled carriers for SLF use.
The nature of the business using the rwy does not matter, nor does the frequency of use. The loss of a rwy is a loss of a rwy, just like the demise of 05/23 at LHR (and others before it at LHR).
Two new rwys at LHR could meet the criteria of "one net new rwy", the other being a replacement for MSE.
Actually I believe that if Heathrow had presented its case a few years ago as a "Runway 23 realignment" rather than a "new runway" they could have made a much better and less confrontational case than has happened. It could all have been dressed up as "for safety reasons .... realigned so as not to be conflicting .... just a transfer of a runway .... saving noise in Northolt and Harrow" etc.
Unlike the loss of Manston's only runway, which reduced its capacity by 100%.
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When you say that the North Terminal will be all 'Orange' apart from Emirates, does that mean that the other airlines that are currently at the North Terminal be moving South including for example Caribbean Airlines, Garuda, Thomson, Turkish, etc?
Also it was planned that Virgin Atlantic would be moving in the opposite direction if and when BA moved South and North went Orange, is still the case in the recent confirmation of terminal moves?
As a regular BA customer at LGW I must admit I am disappointed with this move and was hoping it would not happen and in some way was hoping that Easyjet would consolidate their LGW operations at the South Terminal.
I know that the South Terminal is a lot different than it was due to the huge investment made by GIP but I much prefer the North Terminal as I find it far more of a pleasurable experience and the departure lounge and shopping area is by far superior in lay out to that of South Terminal which I find hideous.
Is there a link?
When you say that the North Terminal will be all 'Orange' apart from Emirates, does that mean that the other airlines that are currently at the North Terminal be moving South including for example Caribbean Airlines, Garuda, Thomson, Turkish, etc?
Also it was planned that Virgin Atlantic would be moving in the opposite direction if and when BA moved South and North went Orange, is still the case in the recent confirmation of terminal moves?
As a regular BA customer at LGW I must admit I am disappointed with this move and was hoping it would not happen and in some way was hoping that Easyjet would consolidate their LGW operations at the South Terminal.
I know that the South Terminal is a lot different than it was due to the huge investment made by GIP but I much prefer the North Terminal as I find it far more of a pleasurable experience and the departure lounge and shopping area is by far superior in lay out to that of South Terminal which I find hideous.
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Isn't the South Terminal too small to consolidate all of easyJets flights hence why they are heading North which has greater capacity and BA heading the other way?
Presume this means other airlines will move in either direction too?
Presume this means other airlines will move in either direction too?
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South terminal will at some point be opening I think up to 10 new stands/gates on the new pier 1 refurbishment/project.
However, in terms of widebody stands, south terminal is going to be very limited as it currently stands with all airlines there currently. Some will have to move to North terminal to facilitate BA in the South I would have thought.
Otherwise I'm not sure how you will accommodate up to 5-6 BA 777s, 5-6 VS 747s/330s, the Air Transat flights and a couple of Norwegian 787s within a few peak time hours in the morning 0700-1200 all at the same time and in the same terminal. Could be possible (just about) but would be a squeeze!
However, in terms of widebody stands, south terminal is going to be very limited as it currently stands with all airlines there currently. Some will have to move to North terminal to facilitate BA in the South I would have thought.
Otherwise I'm not sure how you will accommodate up to 5-6 BA 777s, 5-6 VS 747s/330s, the Air Transat flights and a couple of Norwegian 787s within a few peak time hours in the morning 0700-1200 all at the same time and in the same terminal. Could be possible (just about) but would be a squeeze!
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T250, I think the plan is for Virgin to move north with EZY which should leave plenty of space for BA/TS/DU/TCX to use the widebody stands. I wonder if Iberia Express and Qatar(if they do return) will move South with BA?
Just to add Norwegian are starting a weekly flight to Kefalonia next summer on Saturdays.
Just to add Norwegian are starting a weekly flight to Kefalonia next summer on Saturdays.
I see Gatwick has started an ad campaign alongside the M4 from Central London out to Heathrow, saying if Heathrow gets another runway this road is going to be overcrowded beyond use ......
They've obviously never tried coming in by car from Gatwick to Central London then. By the way, how much is a cab from Gatwick to say Piccadilly Circus nowadays ?
They've obviously never tried coming in by car from Gatwick to Central London then. By the way, how much is a cab from Gatwick to say Piccadilly Circus nowadays ?