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Somewhat disturbed by contents of post by 'Interpreter'. Is anyone able to comment on his rather extreme claims?
I did mention a few months ago that as decision time approaches regarding the extra runway in the South-East there may be lobbying and claims by both sides to derail (probably not the correct term here, maybe deplane would be better!) the case put forward by the opposition. I am wondering if this is one such example.
I did mention a few months ago that as decision time approaches regarding the extra runway in the South-East there may be lobbying and claims by both sides to derail (probably not the correct term here, maybe deplane would be better!) the case put forward by the opposition. I am wondering if this is one such example.
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Be interesting to know the source of Interpreter's £31 and £51 extra charge per one way pax. About 3-5 times what I'm expecting provided the project is financed by some pension funds which will accept a moderate payback period on a regulated asset.
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Amazing how reports are starting to appear in the press suggesting that Heathrow will be favoured in the report to be released next week for the new runway. I thought information like this would have been kept confidential.
Be interesting to know the source of Interpreter's £31 and £51 extra charge per one way pax. About 3-5 times what I'm expecting provided the project is financed by some pension funds which will accept a moderate payback period on a regulated asset.
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The recent flight path trial was an unmitigated disaster and demonstrated complete incompetence on the part of Gatwick and NATS who thought they could ride rough shod over the Kent, Surrey and Sussex populace.
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GACC Protest Meeting.
Anyone who is interested. Gatwick Area Conservation Campaign - Latest News
Anyone who is interested. Gatwick Area Conservation Campaign - Latest News
Gatwick is in a semi rural area with very low unemployment, so where do the extra workers come from? outside the area.
Therefore they'll need houses and other infrastructure, this means urban expansion, and more people affected by noise than is accounted for.
This happened when LHR expanded in the 1950s post-war recovery with many moving (from Glamorgan and around Bristol in particular) to Middlesex to work on the airport and this lead to the expansion of former villages like Stanwell, Cranford, etc. into towns.
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Gatwick is in a semi rural area with very low unemployment, so where do the extra workers come from? outside the area.
Therefore they'll need houses and other infrastructure, this means urban expansion, and more people affected by noise than is accounted for.
This happened when LHR expanded in the 1950s post-war recovery with many moving (from Glamorgan and around Bristol in particular) to Middlesex to work on the airport and this lead to the expansion of former villages like Stanwell, Cranford, etc. into towns.
Therefore they'll need houses and other infrastructure, this means urban expansion, and more people affected by noise than is accounted for.
This happened when LHR expanded in the 1950s post-war recovery with many moving (from Glamorgan and around Bristol in particular) to Middlesex to work on the airport and this lead to the expansion of former villages like Stanwell, Cranford, etc. into towns.
The current thousands of kids who will reach 18 and leave school in the areas around Gatwick will need jobs and wonder where they will come from.
Crawley was fairly major manufacturing in Manor Royal 30 years ago, drive through it now and its offices or empty areas which are used for airport parking.
GACC don't of course attempt to address in any way where all the new jobs are going to come from for even the existing population never mind the natural increase that will happy, rather its a case of No. No. No.
I am fully in favour of a new runway as can see the economic benefits it will bring to the area. Where as the Nimbys have all got to an age where their house prices are of more concern than jobs for people.
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Crawley would be an excellent place to build the new runway.
What a dump.
With apologies to John Betjeman. :
Come friendly bombs and fall on Crawley!
It wasn't fit for humans ever
There isn’t room to park a car
Swarm over, Death!
>
Come, bombs and blow to bits
Those nasty discos full of flabby chicks,
Who've overdosed on alcopops
And flash their flabby tits
>
Mess up the mess they call a town-
A house for ninety-seven down
And once a week a half a crown
For twenty years.
>
And get that man with double chin
Who’ll always cheat and always win,
Who washes his repulsive skin
In women’s tears:
>
And smash his desk of polished oak
And smash his hands so used to stroke
And stop his boring dirty joke
And make him yell.
>
But spare the bald young clerks who add
The profits of the stinking cad;
It’s not their fault that they are mad,
They’ve tasted Hell.
>
It’s not their fault they do not know
The birdsong from the radio,
It’s not their fault they often go
To nearby Brighton
>
And talk of flying and makes of planes
In various bogus-burger bars
And daren’t look up and see the Boeings
But belch instead.
>
In labour-saving homes, with care
Their wives frizz out peroxide hair
And dry it in synthetic air
And paint their nails.
>
Come, friendly bombs and fall on Crawley
To get it ready for the runway
The cabbages are coming now;
The earth exhales.
What a dump.
With apologies to John Betjeman. :
Come friendly bombs and fall on Crawley!
It wasn't fit for humans ever
There isn’t room to park a car
Swarm over, Death!
>
Come, bombs and blow to bits
Those nasty discos full of flabby chicks,
Who've overdosed on alcopops
And flash their flabby tits
>
Mess up the mess they call a town-
A house for ninety-seven down
And once a week a half a crown
For twenty years.
>
And get that man with double chin
Who’ll always cheat and always win,
Who washes his repulsive skin
In women’s tears:
>
And smash his desk of polished oak
And smash his hands so used to stroke
And stop his boring dirty joke
And make him yell.
>
But spare the bald young clerks who add
The profits of the stinking cad;
It’s not their fault that they are mad,
They’ve tasted Hell.
>
It’s not their fault they do not know
The birdsong from the radio,
It’s not their fault they often go
To nearby Brighton
>
And talk of flying and makes of planes
In various bogus-burger bars
And daren’t look up and see the Boeings
But belch instead.
>
In labour-saving homes, with care
Their wives frizz out peroxide hair
And dry it in synthetic air
And paint their nails.
>
Come, friendly bombs and fall on Crawley
To get it ready for the runway
The cabbages are coming now;
The earth exhales.
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Employment.
Total unemployment in the Crawley area is less than 2%. Within a 5 mile radius there are more vacant positions than unemployed! Where will all the 40k workers come from if the new runway is approved? If it's not from Crawley it will put a big strain on the road/rail services, even without double the number of passengers! There is limited scope for improvements to the London/Brighton railway, the M23 peters out just north of the M25 interchange.Traffic is congested in many areas even without further development. There is limited passenger growth south of the M25, so many of the new passengers will have to drive past LHR to get to LGW to get their flights! At least LHR has growth potential in the transport infrastructure, it has the Paddington link, Cross-Rail opening in 2018 plus the M3 M4 M25 M40 and a host of A roads. LHR is the choice of the majority of the world's airlines. LGW is awfully quiet in the afternoon now, let alone if( god forbid) it gets another runway. A bit like STN really. 
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A second runway for Gatwick is most unlikely. Its affairs are in a complete mess and is possibly going to be a victim of corporate anti-tax avoidance legislation. The recent flight path trial was an unmitigated disaster and demonstrated complete incompetence on the part of Gatwick and NATS who thought they could ride rough shod over the Kent, Surrey and Sussex populace. It is estimated that if a second runway was built the extra charge needed on each one way ticket would be £51 compared to Heathrow of £31. The shareholders are desperate to get out and some of them are being severely criticised in their own country for being part of the international corporate tax avoidance scene. No prime minister is going to risk such a loss of votes from a vast swathe of the south east just for a runway which is not needed with unused capacity at Luton and Stansted - and some at Gatwick. Gloomy times ahead guys! Tighten your seat belts - severe turbulence ahead.
Almost sounds like they have taken a lesson from LADACAN (The local Luton NIMBY group) and just spouting a load of tripe!
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La Compagnie are apparently looking to acquire LGW slots to fly LGW-EWR next year on an all business class 757, though they appear to be also considering STN and LTN. Could be interesting to see how this goes if it happens.
La Compagnie to Add NY-London to its NY-Paris Offering in March - WSJ
La Compagnie to Add NY-London to its NY-Paris Offering in March - WSJ
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Were silverjet loads/yields from LTN good? If so could be attractive to tap into the market that once supported them.
Would I be correct in assuming that on an operation like this, a 50% load factor probably turns a profit?
Would I be correct in assuming that on an operation like this, a 50% load factor probably turns a profit?
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Gatwick Airport railway station revamp...
At last, hopefully, there will be some money spent on the station and links to the airport.
See : BBC News - Gatwick Airport railway station revamp backed with £60m
When arriving or leaving LGW by train I always wonder if anyone has ever done a 'People Flow' study during busy hours.
SJ
See : BBC News - Gatwick Airport railway station revamp backed with £60m
When arriving or leaving LGW by train I always wonder if anyone has ever done a 'People Flow' study during busy hours.
SJ