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I see a Jetstream Executive J31 is operating the IOM/LBA services at the moment and one of the LETs has returned eastwards. Does this mean the J31 is staying put on the Island for a while? I think it's G-PLAJ which seems to have worked for every airline that has ever graced the fraggled rock, EuroManx, BNWA, even Alphaone and now Manx2!
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Funnily enough, I had cause to ask a Man from the Ministry this very question, not three weeks ago.
His answer - which GMIMA might recognise - is that an airline is defined as an organisation that transports passengers and/or cargo for a financial consideration AND which has an Operating License so to do.
No Operating License means no airline.
So Manx2 - no, you are not an airline. Sorry.
His answer - which GMIMA might recognise - is that an airline is defined as an organisation that transports passengers and/or cargo for a financial consideration AND which has an Operating License so to do.
No Operating License means no airline.
So Manx2 - no, you are not an airline. Sorry.
..as far as the pax are concered it gets them from A to B and thats that.
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I see a Jetstream Executive J31 is operating the IOM/LBA services at the moment and one of the LETs has returned eastwards. Does this mean the J31 is staying put on the Island for a while? I think it's G-PLAJ which seems to have worked for every airline that has ever graced the fraggled rock, EuroManx, BNWA, even Alphaone and now Manx2!
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RobT100 - It may sound pedantic, and of little interest from a passenger's point of view, but the difference between being an airline and being a tour operator is vast - both in terms of the operation, its funding, the law it operates under, and what services it can sell to said passenger.
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I believe the problem with the LET is that the refuling points are on top of the wing just above the engine. This creates some health and safety issues which prevent the LET being refueled on the IOM. I'm not sure that this would have been obvious to Manx2 when setting up the operation.
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I think they would prefer to fuel in Belfast anyway as it is considerably cheaper usually. Sounds like a wise operation decision to me.
Besides. the Fuellers in the IOM are so slow I wouldn't plan to fuel there if you can avoid it. unless you have a speedwing on your aircraft!
Besides. the Fuellers in the IOM are so slow I wouldn't plan to fuel there if you can avoid it. unless you have a speedwing on your aircraft!
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fuellers IOM
The fuelers in the IOM are a bit dim arnt they!
And talk about slow
They complain like mad if they have to fuel an aircraft. I have over heard it before in our office.
Typical Manx hey, moan moan moan
One day they will come to work and find no a/c to fuel, and then they will be all stood round with there thumbs in there arse, wondering why?
And talk about slow
They complain like mad if they have to fuel an aircraft. I have over heard it before in our office.
Typical Manx hey, moan moan moan
One day they will come to work and find no a/c to fuel, and then they will be all stood round with there thumbs in there arse, wondering why?
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Fuel Prices
The overwing refuelling apparently isn't a problem at any of the M2 airports. I flew over last week ex BLK on HA YFG. Good flight, friendly crew, big cabin compared with J31/B1900 etc. 20 minute sector at 8000ft, arrived early
Had a chat with FO at Ronaldsway who xplained that the FO's are all trained to supervise the refuelling process but they always draw fuel on mainland whernever possible AS ITS CHEAPER
Bit obvious really
. Certainly in my experience in at BLK the fuel is 10p/litre cheaper than rip off Ronaldsway (shell monopoly) . BNWA bandits
seem to adopt the same policy and almost nevr draw fuel in Ronaldsway either.
Had a chat with FO at Ronaldsway who xplained that the FO's are all trained to supervise the refuelling process but they always draw fuel on mainland whernever possible AS ITS CHEAPER Bit obvious really . Certainly in my experience in at BLK the fuel is 10p/litre cheaper than rip off Ronaldsway (shell monopoly) . BNWA bandits seem to adopt the same policy and almost nevr draw fuel in Ronaldsway either.
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OK, so why was the 2nd LET410 replaced with a Jetstream 31 given that refuelling is not a serious problem ?
Difficult for me to understand why Manx2 would deploy the Jetstream to the LBA route on which they have a monopoly while on the BLK/BFS market they soldier on with the LET410 while the competition now uses a Jetstram (admittedly, still at much higher fares) and rather blatantly advertises the use of "British crews, British aircraft" etc. Does the LET410 have not enough legs to do LBA-IOM-LBA roundtrip without refuelling at IOM ?
Difficult for me to understand why Manx2 would deploy the Jetstream to the LBA route on which they have a monopoly while on the BLK/BFS market they soldier on with the LET410 while the competition now uses a Jetstram (admittedly, still at much higher fares) and rather blatantly advertises the use of "British crews, British aircraft" etc. Does the LET410 have not enough legs to do LBA-IOM-LBA roundtrip without refuelling at IOM ?
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I'm in BLK most days and last I saw the only IOM aircraft were Manx2s' LETs and BNWAs' Chifteins. I've seen both refuel here regularly
. I'd certainly rather do a longer sector over the Pennines in a J31 which is 60kts faster (+ pressurised) but the 20 min hop to IOM in the lET last week was pretty good. Would doubt if the J31 would shave more than 2 minutes off the sector so who knows? 
According to my bible range on Let at max p =1318km, J31=1185km, PA38=1760 so they could all fly to LBA and back with full reserves no problem
Only thing that's certain is only fools draw fuel in IOM
it's way to deer.
I'm in BLK most days and last I saw the only IOM aircraft were Manx2s' LETs and BNWAs' Chifteins. I've seen both refuel here regularly
. I'd certainly rather do a longer sector over the Pennines in a J31 which is 60kts faster (+ pressurised) but the 20 min hop to IOM in the lET last week was pretty good. Would doubt if the J31 would shave more than 2 minutes off the sector so who knows? According to my bible range on Let at max p =1318km, J31=1185km, PA38=1760 so they could all fly to LBA and back with full reserves no problemOnly thing that's certain is only fools draw fuel in IOM
it's way to deer.
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Given this photo, I was assuming that BNWA had done a bit of upgrading their product:
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h2...G_0130_new.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h2...G_0130_new.jpg
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Stll never seen the aircraft in the artist's impression. R U shure its' not BNWAs hope rather than reality..........always been a load of that in aviation......won't be the first or last
R U shure its' not BNWAs hope rather than reality..........always been a load of that in aviation......won't be the first or last
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Jethro's Fleet Listings show BAe Jetstream 3102 G-OJSA c/n 711 as being operated by/for BNWA. It is an ex Newair aircraft (OY-SVJ). It is this aircraft:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1072417/M/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1072417/M/