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Old 8th Jul 2006, 18:49
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Ref GB Airways -- All flights from MAN from Oct will be operated by an A321 in a single class config...

MON - PFO DEPART 0900 RETURN 2000

TUE - TFS DEPART 0710 RETURN 1650 TFS DEPART 1750 RETURN 0330

WED - PFO DEPART 0900 RETURN 2000

THU - TFS DEPART 0710 RETURN 1650

FRI - TFS DEPART 0710 RETURN 1650 TFS DEPART 1750 RETURN 0330

SAT - TFS DEPART 0710 RETURN 1650

SUN - PFO DEPART 1335 RETURN 0050


From what I understand, the gaps are being filled with some charter work to ski destinations....
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Old 8th Jul 2006, 19:44
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Originally Posted by AlphaWhiskyRomeo
Bagso

How do you know it is the Airport's fault and not the airline's faults for selecting routes or aircraft which cannot break even.
Or perhaps it's just a general lack of interest from the local population? I can't believe a Lisbon service couldn't work.
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Old 8th Jul 2006, 22:10
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Does this mean the end of GB Airways to Malaga, Arrecife, Las Palmas, Malta andMarrakesh?
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Old 8th Jul 2006, 22:22
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I believe so for the winter season at least. Going back to seemingly core routes and not throwing money down the drain.
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Old 8th Jul 2006, 22:25
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AS I understand, one based a/c for winter 06, so yes is the answer, then reverting back to two based i/c next summer.
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Old 9th Jul 2006, 00:35
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Originally Posted by darren1
Or perhaps it's just a general lack of interest from the local population? I can't believe a Lisbon service couldn't work.

Well if it is a lack of interest, then not enough route research has been done prior to starting the service - unless they hoped to make their money on bringing people into MAN.
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Old 9th Jul 2006, 11:28
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...er not sure in my statement where I did suggest it was the airports fault unless I missed something...but yes you are right if the airport underperforms clearly the management must surely take some of the blame.. OR have all the airlines that have withdrawn done so purely because they themselves are in trouble ?

I am less than convinced that the bosses are brilliant at running Manchester.

Cyclically most although not all airports grow by 3% and 5% regardless of the people running the ship, I for one cannot help thinking that this is the case at MAN when you hear some of the stories of incompetence relating to the place....

Quite frankly if you had a bunch of monkeys in charge it would still do well, the measure of a great operation is to do really well....our pax figures sometimes seem to always somehow hide the truth - yes it does well BUT in my view could do much better !

As for the hot air re the expansion plans, I recall a similar headline on the MEN 25 years ago when AA and SIA started...

"Gateway To The World" it bellowed....!

..well sorry but 25 years on we have one pathetic intercontinetal service by the "National Airline" to JFK and no services to Japan, Australia, South Africa, Hong Kong, China, India....

...that says it all really !
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Old 9th Jul 2006, 11:44
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Yes, if only MAN could have retained the carriers they lost, it would be truly busy & international.........BWIA, Air Jamaica, Malaysian, Qantas, Gulf Air, Cathay, South African, Estonian, Northwest, Air Seychelles, Air Mauritious, Austrian, Lauda Air,Air India, Malev,Portugalia,soon to be joined by Alitalia, these are just a few I can think of, I'm sure there are many many more.
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Old 9th Jul 2006, 12:22
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ALL airports around the world lose air service, hugely disappointing as it is, it's not a purely MAN phenomenon. London no longer has PR or GA, and it's impossible to fly direct to Durban, Lilongwe, Santiago, San Diego, Brisbane, Adelaide etc. Melbourne lost BA, Brussels lost its hub status and Far East airlines, Chicago has lost plenty too.
What Manchester has always suffered from is an overly ambitious management, promises to be a 'Gateway to the World', but unfortunately a relative lack of high yielding business passengers, when compared to other cities. It's obscene still that the vast bulk of big British business/corporations have become based in the south east, but although that's not a topic for this forum, it goes a long way in explaining air service provision.
From the rather sad list you give Mr A Tis, there is still plenty of demand for the cities these airlines served, but in general there was a greater need for these airlines to consolidate operations, and maximise slot availability at London. One or two of them said this was the case, MK for example. Oh, and NW has never served MAN with passenger flights!
The best way to look at it I find, is to remind yourself that for a non-capital city airport, and for a non-hub, having so many successful transatlantic services and the daily SQ service is still pretty good going.
I think that T2 initially was planned as an intercontinental terminal, like LHR3 and it would have been with BW QF MH CX SA and AI at the stands.
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Old 9th Jul 2006, 12:38
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Originally Posted by Mr A Tis
BWIA, Air Jamaica, Malaysian, Qantas, Gulf Air, Cathay, South African, Estonian, Northwest, Air Seychelles, Air Mauritious, Austrian, Lauda Air,Air India, Malev,Portugalia,soon to be joined by Alitalia
BW JM........Caribbean services relaced by VS and these will hopefully expand.

MH CX........CX will reappear one day, and if not then Oasis HK might. TG will too, and then there will hopefully be something to Shanghai/Beijing. And then, SQ planning to increase to 10 weekly, so no losses in terms of Far East.

QF.........Expect to see Jetstar withing the next 5 years. Also MAN on the back burner for NZ. They very nearly came to MAN, but slot at LHR materialised.

GF........since GF left, massive expansion from EK, EY and QR. Out of these, GF never had a proper hub at AUH.

AI........give it a couple of years and Jet, Indian or Kingfisher will arrive.

SA.......bmi also came very close to starting JNB, but alas Riyadh beckoned. There's no promise of a JNB service, but FlyGlobespan to CPT might be a success.

MA......Jet2

OS/Lauda.....directly replaced by BA, and now NE to Bratislava.

I could go on, but just to make a point that all is not lost.
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Old 9th Jul 2006, 15:47
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BAGSO

Clearly you are a person of some standing in this
paticular field,how enlightening it is to know we
have someone as forward thinking and positive in
our midst!

Why on Gods earth you have not been snapped
up by Manchesters head hunters is beyond all
belief.

Clearly a person of your calibre must be working
in a tough business enviroment where hundreds/
nay thousands of jobs rely on your say-so.

How much do you want for your services......just
name the price and I'm sure we can get
Manchester working again.

Viva la revolution

MM
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Old 9th Jul 2006, 16:53
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Ah not the old Easyjet chestnut again....
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Old 9th Jul 2006, 18:13
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Cool

BW JM........Caribbean services relaced by VS and these will hopefully expand.
Just gone to 10 a week, and will be double daily in November,

JM pulled out due to lack of aircraft I believe.

CX one day, one can hope.
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Old 9th Jul 2006, 22:13
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500 a day should do it.....
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Old 10th Jul 2006, 11:05
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BW JM........Caribbean services relaced by VS and these will hopefully expand
???
VS 10 times a week
10 times a week VS is to Orlando, hardly replacing BWIA or AJM.
VS to BGI & UVF are once a week winter only.
I also missed El AL from the list of those that have cut & run, that is despite a huge affluent Jewish community in Manchester.
I never said the list was exclusive pax operations, but Northwest was a regular scheduled cargo service, as were dedicated cargo services by Alitalia, Finnair & KLM ( oh remember when KLM & SWR operated A310s into MAN),
Sure airports lose routes for all sorts of reasons, but there seems an awful lot here. Maybe there should be something like a "route retention unit" within the MA Group, with a view to maintaining & helping to promote services. Some (airlines)have been terribly bad at publicity, maybe completely unaware of our northern culture & how to capitalise on it. Just a thought.
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Old 10th Jul 2006, 14:01
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Originally Posted by Mr A Tis
Maybe there should be something like a "route retention unit" within the MA Group, with a view to maintaining & helping to promote services. Some (airlines)have been terribly bad at publicity, maybe completely unaware of our northern culture & how to capitalise on it. Just a thought.
I'm not disagreeing with any sentiment here, the sheer volume of lost operators is alarming. Seems to me only about 50% of new routes/airlines stick.

El Al's a good example. Manchester is one of the largest Jewish cities in the world. After London and Paris it may well be Europe's third biggest.

Route retention unit is a great idea, and I just wonder how MAG deal with this. Not very effectively it would seem.

I noticed that they're currently advertising for an 'airline network planner', on 35k with company car. I think I might apply
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Old 10th Jul 2006, 14:15
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Originally Posted by Bagso
I am less than convinced that the bosses are brilliant at running Manchester.
Just as an observation - check the CVs of the MAG executive directors. None of them have any background in aviation/airports pre-MAG (this may not be strictly true for GM but he's been at MAN a long time now).
Maybe the organisation isn't terribly outward-looking? It would be fairly typical of ex-council owned businesses if that was the case.
Perhaps Ferrovial could inject some new thinking?
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Old 10th Jul 2006, 20:23
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Finnair

Noticed that Finnair have reduced to one flight per day from 1st July, albeit until 12th August. They have not done that previous summers to my knowledge, though stand to be corrected. Hope its not a sign that they are going to follow the trend.
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Old 10th Jul 2006, 21:32
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Probably not. European business travel is pretty slack during July and August.
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Old 11th Jul 2006, 14:29
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Originally Posted by Playamar2
Noticed that Finnair have reduced to one flight per day from 1st July, albeit until 12th August. They have not done that previous summers to my knowledge, though stand to be corrected. Hope its not a sign that they are going to follow the trend.
Happens every summer iirc.
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