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Quote: "I am very surprised EK haven't had Paris ORLY in their sights. Is it a possibility
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Agreed, much nicer airport than that dump, CDG (hope that's not too harsh, but it is s****hole). After all, with their operations model, EK have no need to feed AF's hub!
Almost certainly to do with bilateral agreements as Skipness stated. The French government isn't known for "open skies" mentality.
Back in the 1990s they wanted BA out of ORY, BA had to go to court to have the route reinstated (contravention of EU regulations). Having gone through all that hassle the route was dropped years later and has just recently been reinstated.
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Agreed, much nicer airport than that dump, CDG (hope that's not too harsh, but it is s****hole). After all, with their operations model, EK have no need to feed AF's hub!
Almost certainly to do with bilateral agreements as Skipness stated. The French government isn't known for "open skies" mentality.
Back in the 1990s they wanted BA out of ORY, BA had to go to court to have the route reinstated (contravention of EU regulations). Having gone through all that hassle the route was dropped years later and has just recently been reinstated.
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Any confirmed news on A380 for evening slot from Manchester later this year yet. Came back from DXB before Xmas, and CSD was of the opinion it could happen, given load factors, but she personaly hoped it would not, as she was on the Boeing fleet, and was from Northern UK. Got the feeling it maybe on the cards, as she was a long serving sand pit dweller, and an exceptional CSD for her airline in my humble opinion. 
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Some more detail has been revealed of the Emirates debacle at Dubai last week as described above.
1. After the fuel-enforced diversion they were informed that it was the intention to disembark the passengers at Sharjah and coach them the short journey to Dubai but none of the steps tried were suitable for a 380.
2. After refueling the 380 was unable to depart owing to another aircraft being in the way (also refueling). Consequently, they missed their slot back to Dubai and had to wait a long, long time for another one.
3. A crew member informed them that, due to the (much) cheaper cost of fuel at Dubai, the 380 in question had been loaded with fuel to do both the original trip to LHR and the return trip to Dubai and that was why they were short and unable to hold on arrival back.
4. The second part of their journey which they had booked direct to SYD was replaced with a two-legger to Perth where they changed to a Qantas flight to SYD. Emirates told them that their baggage was checked all the way to SYD but it wasn't. The baggage was taken off at Perth and left in an unclaimed area.
5. No compensation was offered despite the 4 hour delay at Sharjah, the 6 hour delay at Dubai and the 4 hour delay at Perth. This overall delay of 14 hours meant that one of the party lost a day's work in SYD.
All in all I think this was an absolutely disgraceful way to treat passengers. If it had been FR the media would have had a field day.
1. After the fuel-enforced diversion they were informed that it was the intention to disembark the passengers at Sharjah and coach them the short journey to Dubai but none of the steps tried were suitable for a 380.
2. After refueling the 380 was unable to depart owing to another aircraft being in the way (also refueling). Consequently, they missed their slot back to Dubai and had to wait a long, long time for another one.
3. A crew member informed them that, due to the (much) cheaper cost of fuel at Dubai, the 380 in question had been loaded with fuel to do both the original trip to LHR and the return trip to Dubai and that was why they were short and unable to hold on arrival back.
4. The second part of their journey which they had booked direct to SYD was replaced with a two-legger to Perth where they changed to a Qantas flight to SYD. Emirates told them that their baggage was checked all the way to SYD but it wasn't. The baggage was taken off at Perth and left in an unclaimed area.
5. No compensation was offered despite the 4 hour delay at Sharjah, the 6 hour delay at Dubai and the 4 hour delay at Perth. This overall delay of 14 hours meant that one of the party lost a day's work in SYD.
All in all I think this was an absolutely disgraceful way to treat passengers. If it had been FR the media would have had a field day.
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That's probably because this event didn't get any publicity; EK is a very publicity conscious airline and an event like this, splashed across the pages of a major newspaper would certainly elicit a more different response.
In any case, since the flight originated in the EU, would they not have any obligations to compensate passengers?
In any case, since the flight originated in the EU, would they not have any obligations to compensate passengers?
The second part of their journey which they had booked direct to SYD was replaced with a two-legger to Perth where they changed to a Qantas flight to SYD. Emirates told them that their baggage was checked all the way to SYD but it wasn't. The baggage was taken off at Perth and left in an unclaimed area.
Oh btw the UK is about to be embraced in a week of snow and Sky are already reporting that around 250 flights are being cancelled, and it hasn't even started! Let the diversions begin!
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I think EK is limited to only a few points in France with limited frequencies (same like Germany). Canada is just 1 point with 3 weekly flights. EK want to serve YUL, YYC and YVR (SEA = YVR south).
Also South Corea, Japan, China, India, Pakistan is limited / need intensive negotiation with local government to add further destinations/frequencies.
From 31st March EK will introduce a fifth daily flight to BKK with 3-class A332. From 1 September this flight will switch to 3-class B77W.
After adding additional daily flights to KUL, MNL, CGK; the launch of daily flights to SGN and HKT + introducing the A380 on SIN last year, South East Asia facing a big capacity boost.
Don't forget Australia with a 3rd dialy flight to PER, new daily ADL, A380 to MEL-AKL and upcoming QF cooperation with daily A380 to SYD and MEL.
Wondering if we see some more flights to East Asia (China, South Corea, Japan) + a rumoured launch of TPE and CTU.
In 2013 we should see the launch of ARN, BOS and MIA.
ORD, OSL, BRU, TPE, CTU and AGP are also possible/rumoured.
Also South Corea, Japan, China, India, Pakistan is limited / need intensive negotiation with local government to add further destinations/frequencies.
From 31st March EK will introduce a fifth daily flight to BKK with 3-class A332. From 1 September this flight will switch to 3-class B77W.
After adding additional daily flights to KUL, MNL, CGK; the launch of daily flights to SGN and HKT + introducing the A380 on SIN last year, South East Asia facing a big capacity boost.
Don't forget Australia with a 3rd dialy flight to PER, new daily ADL, A380 to MEL-AKL and upcoming QF cooperation with daily A380 to SYD and MEL.
Wondering if we see some more flights to East Asia (China, South Corea, Japan) + a rumoured launch of TPE and CTU.
In 2013 we should see the launch of ARN, BOS and MIA.
ORD, OSL, BRU, TPE, CTU and AGP are also possible/rumoured.
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From personal experience resulting from a similar fuel diversion, I can state with all sincerity that the three star hotel we were put up in didn't cost Emirates a kilo of fuel.
Of the numbers on that flight how many will actually complain effectively?
Of the numbers on that flight how many will actually complain effectively?
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A second daily B777 service to DUB is almost certain, reading yesterday that EK said the last 3 months of 2012 had a flowen LF of 90% and the DUB is now generating an operating profit but a better pricture won't be known until lather this year. Last May EK said they expected a second daily within 18 months and by the end of 2013 that will of passed. If I can find the link I will post it.
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Emirates positive on prospects for Dublin - The Irish Times - Wed, Aug 22, 2012
Emirates positive on prospects for Dublin - The Irish Times - Wed, Aug 22, 2012
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31st March DXB-BKK from 4 daily to 5 daily (new flight with A332; 1st September B77W)
1st June
DXB-NRT B77W replaces A380
DXB-SYD A380 replaces B77W
new: 3rd June DXB-HND daily B77L
Emirates to open third destination in Japan | Emirates United Arab Emirates
new: 1st October DXB-CRK daily B77W
Emirates announces second destination in the Philippines | Emirates United Arab Emirates
1st June
DXB-NRT B77W replaces A380
DXB-SYD A380 replaces B77W
new: 3rd June DXB-HND daily B77L
Emirates to open third destination in Japan | Emirates United Arab Emirates
new: 1st October DXB-CRK daily B77W
Emirates announces second destination in the Philippines | Emirates United Arab Emirates
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"All in all I think this was an absolutely disgraceful way to treat passengers. If it had been FR the media would have had a field day."
We will never fly emirates again.
We thought that flying from Birmingham to Manila via Dubai would be convenient with a 1 year old, as the trip would be split roughly in half.
On the outward trip, on arrival in Dubai, there were no pushchairs available as promised. We had to go through security twice on arrival, the one queue took over 40 minutes, total chaos, being told to queue in one place then another.
There were no seats available (we had a nine hour wait for the onward flight), the floors were filthy, long queues at the inadequate number of toilets, which were so dirty my wife refused to change the baby in them (no changing facilities)
On departure, we had to go through security again, why three checks on a transit stop is a bit hard to understand.
On the return trip, we handed our pushchair to the Emirates staff at the boarding gate, never to be seen again, and compensation refused as we did not report it at Birmingham airport (both the baby and my wife had severe stomach cramps, and it had taken us over an hour to get through immigration, as my step-son did not have a British passport), we did not see anywhere to report lost luggage, and just wanted to get home.
Dubai was a little better on the way back, still very short of seating and toilets, but at least they were being kept clean, even if that did make the queues even longer.
None of my family has flown with Emirates since (family in Philippines and South Africa), now it is KLM, really a pleasant experience in comparison.
I can only agree that their treatment of passengers leaves a lot to be desired. I have flown with BOAC, BUA, BA, Virgin, SA Airways, KLM, PAL, Cebu Pacific, Cathay Pacific, Air France, Alitalia and smaller regional airlines, but have never had an experience that has put me off like our experience with Emirates.
We will never fly emirates again.
We thought that flying from Birmingham to Manila via Dubai would be convenient with a 1 year old, as the trip would be split roughly in half.
On the outward trip, on arrival in Dubai, there were no pushchairs available as promised. We had to go through security twice on arrival, the one queue took over 40 minutes, total chaos, being told to queue in one place then another.
There were no seats available (we had a nine hour wait for the onward flight), the floors were filthy, long queues at the inadequate number of toilets, which were so dirty my wife refused to change the baby in them (no changing facilities)
On departure, we had to go through security again, why three checks on a transit stop is a bit hard to understand.
On the return trip, we handed our pushchair to the Emirates staff at the boarding gate, never to be seen again, and compensation refused as we did not report it at Birmingham airport (both the baby and my wife had severe stomach cramps, and it had taken us over an hour to get through immigration, as my step-son did not have a British passport), we did not see anywhere to report lost luggage, and just wanted to get home.
Dubai was a little better on the way back, still very short of seating and toilets, but at least they were being kept clean, even if that did make the queues even longer.
None of my family has flown with Emirates since (family in Philippines and South Africa), now it is KLM, really a pleasant experience in comparison.
I can only agree that their treatment of passengers leaves a lot to be desired. I have flown with BOAC, BUA, BA, Virgin, SA Airways, KLM, PAL, Cebu Pacific, Cathay Pacific, Air France, Alitalia and smaller regional airlines, but have never had an experience that has put me off like our experience with Emirates.
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How much longer can Emirates ignore EDI? The 2x daily service from GLA
isn't exactly doing great. Were EK a bit wet behind the ears introducing it's
2nd daily Scottish flight from GLA? Were they afraid of diluting the first daily flight there or are they confident that any competing Middle East/Asia direct EDI service would not?
isn't exactly doing great. Were EK a bit wet behind the ears introducing it's
2nd daily Scottish flight from GLA? Were they afraid of diluting the first daily flight there or are they confident that any competing Middle East/Asia direct EDI service would not?
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I understand EK are delighted with the 2nd daily to GLA with over 2/3 on each flight going out full including First class. Its response has been greater than other stations up to double daily including BHX. With discussions already around one service becoming an A380 in the future, the success is clear to see.
Not sure where your information has come from ?
Not sure where your information has come from ?
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CAA 2012 route stats for GLA
DUBAI 314692 14.42679699
A lot of empty seats involving 2x daily inbound/outbounds with 400+ seat aircraft? Even with 70% loads it equates to 230 aircraft each year flying empty? But then I'm not a number cruncher perhaps someone could give us an approximate figure of rotations. aircraft type and seat capacities.?
DUBAI 314692 14.42679699
A lot of empty seats involving 2x daily inbound/outbounds with 400+ seat aircraft? Even with 70% loads it equates to 230 aircraft each year flying empty? But then I'm not a number cruncher perhaps someone could give us an approximate figure of rotations. aircraft type and seat capacities.?
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Flew GLA - DXB - BOM and return four weeks ago. Excellent experience with both GLA legs around 70% full although 1st / Business quiet on the evening flight out. The return early morning flight was pretty full business class wise. Emirates will continue to focus on GLA and NCL so EDI will not see them for some time to come. I though Etihad were rumoured to be starting from EDI?
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Cargo is an important factor too, I think EK does well with the belly cargo on their Glasgow flights.
Personally I'd like to see EY or QR come to Scotland, Don't mind EDI or GLA, although being from the east EDI is better for me
Personally I'd like to see EY or QR come to Scotland, Don't mind EDI or GLA, although being from the east EDI is better for me
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