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Old 28th May 2006, 11:22
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Originally Posted by Yer Man
This is a major threat for Eirjet.
The vast majority of their flying contracts are for other tour operators and given Eirjet's appalling performance track record it will be easy for Excel to pick off their business.
Excels record aint the hottest either.....its all those clapped out ex Air Atlanta 757 and 767s I reckon....the 737-800s cant be all that bad, surely?

My guess is that 737-800s will be used....the 757s will prob be phased out once the 739s start arriving....but you never know!

As for EirJet....most of their flying is for First Choice brands in Ireland. Excel Ireland would appear to be headed by ex Falcon(as First Choice trades in Ireland) people, so my guess is eirJet will loose a lot of business.
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Old 24th Jun 2006, 05:39
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all gone a little quiet

after a little bit of a ropey start and merging their UK operators all under Excel banner
How are they doing now on timekeeping for '06 particularly long haul.
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Old 24th Jun 2006, 09:10
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Not to bad i don't think, Flyjet are the worst for delays this summer.
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Old 24th Jun 2006, 09:28
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Well they are doing bad at NCL.

XLA4151 19:25 KAVALA/GREECE & SKIATHOS INDEFINITE DELAY

I wish they would use their own aircraft at Newcastle, we always end up with the cr*p.
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Old 26th Jun 2006, 23:41
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Believe most of the punctuality problems to be long haul and 757 routes, the 800s are performing quite well, but with the odd problem creeping in here and there. When the 900s come along and the 75s disappear we should see delays reducing. If anyone has seen the picture of the XL 757 after it was hit by a hailstorm - that's what it looks like on a good day anyway.

Thought NCL had one of the best records for punctuality of all the regional bases...
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Old 27th Jun 2006, 09:14
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DVR6K I would be highly surprised if XL's NCL operation is among the highest for ontime departures as the TF reg 737-400 they have based up there is quite unreliable and certainly over the past weekend delays have been fairly lengthy to a couple of flights. It was the same last year, maybe XLA will take notice that this a/c lets them down and replace it. It also has to tech stop quite often on the longer routes out of NCL. If XL intend on keeping it why not send it to a base in the south, where distance is less of an issue?

On a positive note, the finnair 757 is performing well, as is FJE who have been subcontracted out for 3 years by XL for operation at NCL.

Tommyinyork FJE have had delays, not many I say, but it happens to all airlines and I don't think they are the worst for delays this summer, they seem to have improved since last year.
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Old 27th Jun 2006, 09:18
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Yes, TF-ELY went tech in Greece and was delayed for about 24 hours. XL brought in the Air Class Airways 737 to fly the Newcastle - Verona flight.

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Old 27th Jun 2006, 20:21
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Well, -400 or no -400 (and it is a nasty machine), NCL recorded 85% on time performance a couple of months ago compared to a regional base average of 80% so it ain't doing too bad!
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Old 27th Jun 2006, 20:58
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Exeter

I see next summer Excel will have 5 flights a week from Exeter - Lanzarote, Corfu, Heraklion, Tenerife and Dalaman. Any chance they may consider a base there in the future?
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Old 28th Jun 2006, 09:19
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Interesting comment, where did u get this info and when do the XL flights commence from EXT?
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Old 28th Jun 2006, 15:26
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Info is from the Excel website. They have some flights this summer at Exeter (3 a week I think) but next summers flights start in May
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Old 29th Jun 2006, 12:00
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My pennies worth....Flew with Excel last month. As expected their plane had gone " Tech " but to their credit, they had arranged for "Pegasus Airlines "to fly us to spain. Only got there about 40 mins late, which is not to bad. Flight on time on way home. In my opinion they were ok
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Old 2nd Jul 2006, 20:56
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Excel Airways

Does anyone know why XLA use so many diff aircraft types of there own and other airlines, surely this must not be cost effective.

According to Jethros fleet listing there are using the following.

A320's from Air Malta
B737-400 from Air Atlanta Icelandic (granted Avion is there parent)
B737-800 (there own and Miami air's)
B747-300 (i know these are for Travel City)
B757-200 (there own and leases from Air Italy & Finnair)
B767-200 (there own)
B767-300 (there own)
MD80's leased from Skywings UK Jet
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Old 3rd Jul 2006, 21:58
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Or to put it another (simpler) way:

B737-400 - Air Atlanta
B737-800 - Excel
B747-300 - Air Atlanta
B757-200 - Air Atlanta (being transferred over to UK reg)
B767-200 - Air Atlanta (ditto)
B767-300 - Air Atlanta (ditto)
MD83 - Skywings

The 800s pretty much look after themselves, but the merger with Air Atlanta has caused all sorts of issues with the leased aircraft so until the paperwork is complete, nothing can really be done with regards replacing the fleet. 900s on their way to replace 757s is just about it. Any rumour of a 747-400 joining the fleet soon?? May have got my wires crossed with that one.

Cost effectivity is clear when you have a look at the state of the leased aircraft! The airline can't be paying big bucks for them.

MD-83 just there for the summer to take advantage of the market at EMA and someone who counts beans worked out it will be profitable so that's why it's there. Again, a pretty minging aircraft but it gets people from A to B in one piece and back again so job done! Ditto with the 734 at NCL. And the jumbos...
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Old 3rd Jul 2006, 22:00
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Two ex-ANA B747-400s coming next year for LGW + MAN to Sanford, replacing 747-300s being used this year. Rumours of TravelCity also extending into Dominican Republic + other parts of the Caribbean, though not sure if this is additional work or just replacing the Excel brand on their Caribbean operations and taking over from Golden Caribbean.

DVR6K, I thought the 747s were doing OK this year - certainly a quantum leap from last summer's performance (in every sense of the word).
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Old 3rd Jul 2006, 22:35
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Believe they are doing well this year, but they are heaps!! Will the new 400s be in the blue of XL or the red of TC direct??
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Old 3rd Jul 2006, 23:24
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747-400

My understanding from the press release is that the 400's will be operated by Excel Airways on behalf of TCD.
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Old 4th Jul 2006, 10:20
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Any chance of NCL getting a more reliable aircraft based there? Granted the leased finnair plane has no problems but the 737-400 constantly lets the airline down and as DVR6K has said its a heap and not the usual XL standard. Or is XL moving towards subcontracting their work out at smaller bases, eg Flyjet at NCL (should they return in septemeber when the 2nd AY a/c returns to finland), Air Malta at BRS/BHX etc
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Old 4th Jul 2006, 13:00
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Transwede,

NCL is actually XLA third biggest base behind LGW and MAN with the routes continuaully expanding. The -400 is leaving the fleet at the end of the year so next year will probably see at least 1 X -800 and 1 X 757 (Finnair). Not sure what will happen in the winter if FJE do not return - perhaps a year round AY aircraft. Anyone have any news on this?
TCD may also look at NCL again perhaps with a 767 asthey are all part of the same company now.
The 737-400 has actually been performing pretty well as far as I am aware - one tech problem a few weeks back but the other delays have actually been the -400 rescueing other XLA flights with tech a/c being the -800!
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Old 4th Jul 2006, 14:03
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Originally Posted by nclbase
perhaps a year round AY aircraft. Anyone have any news on this?
AY don't have 757s to spare in the winter which is their peak season, when they have a surprisingly long haul programme for the entire 757 fleet.

Much of it is to the Canaries (about 6 hours from Helsinki) but they also do some real long-hauls with them, almost daily to Phuket in Thailand (tech stopping in India) and to several resorts in Northern Brasil (tech stopping in Tenerife). That's a huge long haul in a max-charter seated 757.

It's a far northern thing to have your peak in the winter, the Canadians are the same. In summer they both prefer to go up to their cabins by the lake.
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