DUNDEE
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From: UK
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From: BHX LXR ASW
A great motto in aviation is 'believe it when it happens'' - I spent a great deal of wasted time making a cv for 'fly....whatever it was called first time around' All I got were false promises - the rest as they say is history!!!
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From: Ireland
The website looks fine - the only thing that grates for me is this business of "we fly to a selection of hand picked cities." How do you "hand pick" a city, anyway? Throw darts at a wall map? 
And I confess that hearing the company name made me wonder: did they choose this because somewhere there's a warehouse of pre-ordered and otherwise worthless Flywho-branded stuff that is now able to be overprinted with an extra "...osh" and reused?
And I confess that hearing the company name made me wonder: did they choose this because somewhere there's a warehouse of pre-ordered and otherwise worthless Flywho-branded stuff that is now able to be overprinted with an extra "...osh" and reused?
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From: Dundee
Maybe people should give the airline a bit of slack. Obviously the council, hial and the executive are aware of the history of flywho etc and they wouldn't just throw money at a lost cause that was never going to happen. Everything that has been promised/said by the airline has happened so far. The website is up and running, fares are very reasonable and it even shows an atr42 in the colours/markings.
White eagle are a reputable company and they alos wouldn't want to make the big mistake of getting in tow with aden if they didn't think it would work.
Lets just see what happens............
Oh............did read somewhere of another route ?
White eagle are a reputable company and they alos wouldn't want to make the big mistake of getting in tow with aden if they didn't think it would work.
Lets just see what happens............
Oh............did read somewhere of another route ?
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From: Dundee
Another route??? Be turning them away soon at this rate......... 
Any clues as to when WEA / flywhoosh will be setting things up at Dundee Bill, with regards to maintanence etc if they are to be basing an aircraft here?
Any clues as to when WEA / flywhoosh will be setting things up at Dundee Bill, with regards to maintanence etc if they are to be basing an aircraft here?
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From: Dundee
Spoke to someone yesterday, work is due to commence on temporary accomodation for Flywhoosh.
No date yet for when they are due to arrive, services start 29th if i remember ? Snippet in paper saying website has had 250,000 hits, bookings are going well.
Also airport very busy with GA traffic due to leuchars not taking anything just now.
Jersey charter by vlm started and numbers are very good for that too.
All in all looking good
No date yet for when they are due to arrive, services start 29th if i remember ? Snippet in paper saying website has had 250,000 hits, bookings are going well.
Also airport very busy with GA traffic due to leuchars not taking anything just now.
Jersey charter by vlm started and numbers are very good for that too.
All in all looking good
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From: The Great Yonder
I have a feeling the forthcoming J31 proving flights have something to do with a new DND-MAN service operated by Jetstream Express or Highland Airways? I may be wrong, but it seems to make the most sense now that BHD and BHX have DND services?
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From: Coventry
It is BHD.
I'll have to admit that I was sceptical too, but checking a few booking dates, yields seem quite reasonable - several showing as £100+ o/w.
I'd always take far more interest in the prices people are paying (or at least being asked to pay) over any PR guff about load factors, but this is still a crowded market in which AM has a lot to prove.
I'll have to admit that I was sceptical too, but checking a few booking dates, yields seem quite reasonable - several showing as £100+ o/w.
I'd always take far more interest in the prices people are paying (or at least being asked to pay) over any PR guff about load factors, but this is still a crowded market in which AM has a lot to prove.
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From: Ireland
yields seem quite reasonable - several showing as £100+ o/w.
However I do agree most heartily with you, sir, that in evaluating route performance from the outside there's no subsitute for actual £££-based evidence!
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From: UK
What would you say break even is ?
Just route only, no H.O costs ?
50% load factor 23 seats ? average £100.00 ex taxes etc.....
£2300.00 per sector revenue ? £4600.00 roundtrip ?
Will it make money ? Don't know what the actual deal is between WEA and Whoosh, but would say 11 sectors a week DUN-BHX, 11 sectors BHX-DUN /46 seats a sector every week, so approx 52,000 seats a year on this unknown market ?
or 
50% load factor 23 seats ? average £100.00 ex taxes etc.....
£2300.00 per sector revenue ? £4600.00 roundtrip ?
Will it make money ? Don't know what the actual deal is between WEA and Whoosh, but would say 11 sectors a week DUN-BHX, 11 sectors BHX-DUN /46 seats a sector every week, so approx 52,000 seats a year on this unknown market ?
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From: Dundee
Flights with Flywhoosh start in just over a week. Have been told that there is an operations manager in place already at Dundee and that the engineers to be based at Dundee will be arriving in next few days. Big banner outside airport advertising flights from £20. So it looks as though they actually mean business ?
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From: Dundee
Update
6 days to go now. Anyone at Birmingham / Belfast able to give any clues as to how the routes are being advertised etc, certainly in Dundee apart from the odd article in the local rag and the banner at the airport not seen a great deal.
Did the J31 flights take place, anybody well informed out there have an update?
Edit: Local evening paper carried a picture of a WEA ATR-42 in full flywhoosh livery arriving in DND apparently from Norwich after a paint job, with all necessary personnal beginnin to arrive / arrived in Dundee already.
Did the J31 flights take place, anybody well informed out there have an update?
Edit: Local evening paper carried a picture of a WEA ATR-42 in full flywhoosh livery arriving in DND apparently from Norwich after a paint job, with all necessary personnal beginnin to arrive / arrived in Dundee already.
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From: Dundee
Have just been told that the atr had arrived at dundee yesterday. As for advertising, big banner down at airport, also seena few buses going around with the advert on back. Seemingly they have been handing out dundee cake at birmingham, but apart from that not sure what else. Anyway, not long now until it starts so we will wait and see.
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From: Scotland
I went past DND this morning, there is an ATR with Whoosh titles, but nothing on the tail. Anyone know the Reg?
There was also a Dornier 328 Jet by the terminal, no titles, anyone know what that was about?
This, added with the usual ScotAirways aircraft made Dundee look very busy today!
There was also a Dornier 328 Jet by the terminal, no titles, anyone know what that was about?
This, added with the usual ScotAirways aircraft made Dundee look very busy today!