Wikiposts
Search
Airlines, Airports & Routes Topics about airports, routes and airline business.

Aer Arann

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 14th Oct 2011, 09:01
  #1461 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sandpit
Posts: 135
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Cuts

Aer Arann are to cut the WAT-BHX service for the winter period replacing it with a further LTN service. A mix of good and bad news I suppose. The BHX service was always the poor relation of routes at WAT. Perhaps WAT can build it's loads back up and show that it is quite viable.

CP.
Captain Planet is offline  
Old 14th Oct 2011, 12:13
  #1462 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Ireland
Posts: 359
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
If those figures are correct that is very bad news.
Taking the available CSO stats up to July (they don't list publish domestic data so generous estimates based on previous year) total would come in:

CSO Stats M1-M7 45,894 (5 international routes)
Est M8-M10 19,668 (average of previous 7 months)
Est DUB M1-M7 20,000 (50% of 2010)
Est WAT 1,600 (50% of 2010)
Total 87,162 or a 45% drop on 2010.
sawtooth is offline  
Old 14th Oct 2011, 13:37
  #1463 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: London
Age: 53
Posts: 24
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Winter Routes

KIR MAN also withdrawn from Nov 06th, really suprised considering that the aircraft operating the DUB PSO could easily continue to operate this service from KIR once GWY MAN ends.

The RE brand is really reducing and only operating now on 6 routes.

DUB KIR
DUB IOM
IOM LCY
WAT SEN/LTN/MAN

REX

Last edited by RE-tard; 15th Oct 2011 at 08:31.
RE-tard is offline  
Old 16th Oct 2011, 20:05
  #1464 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sussex/Ireland & 50' over the oggin
Posts: 70
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Interesting report and comment on RE on the back page of the Business Section of the Irish edition of the Sunday Times today
IslandPilot is offline  
Old 16th Oct 2011, 20:37
  #1465 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Ireland
Posts: 359
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
ST isn't available online, could you elaborate?
sawtooth is offline  
Old 16th Oct 2011, 21:13
  #1466 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sussex/Ireland & 50' over the oggin
Posts: 70
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Article reports that Tim Kilroe has stood down from the board of RE due to "business commitments" and has appointed a nominee but remains a shareholder. Also comments that Stobarts must be unhappy with the withdrawal of GWY - SEN.

An airline spokesman is reported to have dismissed any notion of shareholder discord, and said that it was still "very excited" about the prospects of serving SEN in the future.
IslandPilot is offline  
Old 17th Oct 2011, 17:47
  #1467 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: IRE
Posts: 51
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re is run by a bunch of Directors who can't run an Airline, there record so far is one of poor management, as can be seen by its most experianced people leaving the company over the past 12-18 months (wonder why) its a airline heading for failure. Once Aer Lingus is sold off there history.
propburner is offline  
Old 18th Oct 2011, 16:14
  #1468 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: southern spain
Posts: 1,987
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
SOUTHEND-GALWAY/WATERFORD

Just looking at the figures for September 2011.
Luton-Galway 1,590
Southend-Galway 1,582
Luton-Waterford 1,513
Southend-Waterford 2,601
Total = 7,286

When operated to Luton in 2010
Luton-Galway 6,587
Waterford 5,137
Total = 11,724

Ryanair passengers on the Luton-Dublin increased by 4,700 over the same period.

Quite a lot of us said this would happen and sure enough. I suggest some people should stick to running a trucking business which they do very well and not dabble in things that they seem to know nothing about
compton3bravo is offline  
Old 18th Oct 2011, 16:29
  #1469 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 268
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Slight thread drift, but looking forward to seeing the same comparisons on LTN & STN vs SEN when the competing EZY flights kick in. Hopefully someone will be able to get the data.
Chidken Sangwich is offline  
Old 18th Oct 2011, 16:29
  #1470 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Essex
Posts: 1,109
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Even SEN supporters thought it was a strange move to launch flights to Ireland when SEN's advantage lay with routes to the east and south east. However, Aer Arran's daily schedules have served Stobart's purposes well allowing infrastructure to be tested at SEN and to give some much needed support to their negotiations with EZY. No doubt they are disappointed that the numbers have fallen (and they have fallen on routes from MCR too don't forget) but ....
Barling Magna is offline  
Old 18th Oct 2011, 19:28
  #1471 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: London
Posts: 66
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Just looking at the figures for September 2011.
Luton-Galway 1,590
Southend-Galway 1,582
Luton-Waterford 1,513
Southend-Waterford 2,601
Total = 7,286

When operated to Luton in 2010
Luton-Galway 6,587
Waterford 5,137
Total = 11,724

Ryanair passengers on the Luton-Dublin increased by 4,700 over the same period.

The GWY figures in particular are horrible reading. Even at this late stage and with all GWY's problems, it would be great to see Flybe being able to start GWY-LTN. Get the London area airport right for the market you serve and demand is there by the looks of it.
irish laddie is offline  
Old 18th Oct 2011, 23:20
  #1472 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Ireland
Posts: 1,455
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
No way can the recession be blamed for an almost 60% decline in traffic on Galway London routes and 40% on Waterford London routes.
ryan2000 is offline  
Old 19th Oct 2011, 05:36
  #1473 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: IOM
Posts: 967
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Precisely @ryan2000

I think the writing is going to be up on the wall in the near future for Aer Arann, yet again. My wondering is, will Stobart Air NEED to care about rescuing it? It'll probably get to the stage where EI buy Aer Arann for the sake of keeping regional ops on slim routes and feeding DUB.
JSCL is offline  
Old 19th Oct 2011, 08:19
  #1474 (permalink)  
840
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Ireland nowadays
Posts: 1,440
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Assuming it's not cheaper for Aer Lingus to buy whatever they need off the receiver rather than buying the company directly...
840 is offline  
Old 19th Oct 2011, 21:11
  #1475 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Middle of Somewhere..
Posts: 203
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Strategy

Here's a question for everyone to mull.....

If you were Aer Arann management, what would be your plan for managing the airline over the next one, three and five years?? What strategy would you adopt to deal with the loss of PSO's, your home market GDP dropping dramatically, an ageing fleet (well the 42's at least) and your brand being little recognised in other markets? Bear in mind the financial constraints of both your business and your home market.

Thought it'd be an interesting exercise to see what peoples views are on this.
Papa2Charlie is offline  
Old 20th Oct 2011, 07:47
  #1476 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: UK
Age: 75
Posts: 2,698
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Well, for a start I wouldn't have abandoned the SEN base plans as that would compensate for items 1 and 2 in your list of problems. Their reliance on the Irish market, both as RE and as Aer Lingus Regional, was surely one of the main drivers for diversification from a SEN base.

I would dispose of the ATR42s, although I'm not aware if these are owned or leased.

I would try to enhance the brand awareness (and you are right to point out this problem) by mounting a strong marketing campaign in conjunction with SEN/Stobart. This would take the form of selling RE as a European Regional airline serving secondary European destinations within 90 minutes of SEN as a LON destination. Unless Stobart are happy to write off their 2.5 million Euro investment, provided they could be shown a robust business plan for the SEN hub, I would have thought there was a fair chance they might go along with strong marketing/awareness support. That is unless they've decided that easyJet should be the total focus of such expenditure and are kicking the RE investment into the long grass.

What I see at the moment is simply retrenchment to conserve cash but without any strategy to move forward. I don't quite see how the RE statement that they are "very excited about the prospects of serving SEN in the future" can be realised. If they cannot afford the marketing costs for 4 or 5 new routes from SEN in Spring 2012 (when the Olympics would give a nice initial boost to yields), where will the financial soundness to do so come from after that? Even one or two SEN routes with very robust financials (and I know of at least two such) would have surely been more sensible for Spring 2012 than dropping the whole idea at the last minute.

I'm not keen on 3 or 5 year strategies in the currently volatile economic situation in Europe and would prefer options were kept open so that a nimble footed management could adjust strategies to suit conditions.

I really do hope that RE can get themselves back on an even keel and move ahead - there are few enough independent airlines as it is - but I simply don't see how they currently intend to go about it. Just hoping that things are better next Spring and reinstating the suspended routes won't achieve that aim in my view.
Expressflight is online now  
Old 20th Oct 2011, 09:57
  #1477 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Regrettably far from 50°N
Posts: 917
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I think that in ditching the plan for a SEN base, Arann are really missing a trick here. There are many routes which simply aren't viable on an A319 which are on an ATR - a lot of potential being missed. I would steer the company in that direction.
Aero Mad is offline  
Old 20th Oct 2011, 12:54
  #1478 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: UK
Age: 75
Posts: 2,698
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
You just try convincing their Board of that obvious fact.
Expressflight is online now  
Old 20th Oct 2011, 13:47
  #1479 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Essex
Posts: 1,109
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I agree absolutely with Expressflight and Aero Mad. Aer Arann would be in prime position to exploit the opportunities offered by what is effectively a new airport for London. flyBE would be another obvious candidate. The short term boost of the Olympics could provide the launching pad for a broad network of services to secondary centres. Does it really have to be a European airline that will realise and exploit this...?
Barling Magna is offline  
Old 20th Oct 2011, 16:57
  #1480 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Ireland
Posts: 1,621
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Barling Magna
Does it really have to be a European airline that will realise and exploit this...?
What continent do flyBE and Aer Arann belong to if not Europe? America? Asia?
Cyrano is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.