HEATHROW

[Seljuk22]

Just 2 interesting route news:
Kingfisher cancels LHR-BOM from 15th Sep. and starting from winter United introduce a daily flight LHR-BRU B777

[CJ1234]

Is that a joke? A 777 on LHR-BRU? with bd & ba doing it too?

If so, apologise for slow uptake.

1234

[SWBKCB]

Presumably an extension of a Trans Altlantic flight - aren't LH developing BRU as a mini-hub for African flights using SN, so might make sense from a Star Alliance viewpoint.

[Dominic Nortney]

It can work out cheaper to do transfer flights rather than booking separately on short european routes. So they may get good custom

[Skipness One Echo]

claiming it supports job just doesn't wash unless you can prove that there is a real benefit.

Wouldn't that be the taxable contribution from all those jobs? I mean I'd rather have people in work than on the dole. Perhaps in your ivory tower, jobs for people mean little but the economy needs people in work paying taxes as a general rule. Sorry if I'm making this too complex....

As for United on LHR-BRU, it would just be a double drop on a transatlantic route in the queit season with fifth freedom rights. The amount of passengers joining and leaving within Europe would be close to zero. One forgets how common this used to be, indeed United had a based fleet of B727-200s at LHR to do just that in the 1990s

[racedo]

Wouldn't that be the taxable contribution from all those jobs? I mean I'd rather have people in work than on the dole. Perhaps in your ivory tower, jobs for people mean little but the economy needs people in work paying taxes as a general rule. Sorry if I'm making this too complex....

I want people in jobs but not where the cost of keeping them in jobs is economically unjustifiable. If spending £1 Billion saves 5000 jobs great but if you took that money and invested in elsewhere and created 20,000 jobs then clearly second option is better for country as a whole.

I have seen nothing that convinces me that 3rd runway is economically justifiable other than the We will lose passengers to FRA / CDG.

[Skipness One Echo]

racedo what figures would convince you that the third runway was economically justified?
More importantly I assume you want the runway at Stansted to help your employer Ryanair?

I might add that today there were ninety minute delays on all outbounds after three o'clock due to a thunderstorm and the airport operating with no leeway on the runway capacity. Even with a cap in movements the airport needs Runway Three to function today.

[babybaby]

which would be fine but their plans are to fill the third runway to capacity as well


babybaby

[MUFC_fan]

Originally Posted by babybaby

which would be fine but their plans are to fill the third runway to capacity as well

Hell of an expensive overspill facility. Surely for the third runway to be filled up it shows that the runway is actually needed more than ever?

[Skipness One Echo]

Yes both true but a measured increase to something well below max capacity on three runways would be best for the airport. Whether the morons in charge will allow that to happen is anyone's guess. Seems Cameron is under a lot of pressure to backrtrack on his position.

[racedo]

racedo what figures would convince you that the third runway was economically justified?
More importantly I assume you want the runway at Stansted to help your employer Ryanair?

Fully independent report not paid for either by BAA / HMG or vested interested interested airline that justifies economic impact.

I'm not convinced a new runway is required at Stansted and as stated a number of occasions I don't work for Ryanair.

[Skipness One Echo]

Is Terminal 1 to be demolished?

http://w09.hillingdon.gov.uk/images/...0Sept%2008.pdf

This is the latest view on Terminal 2A, the renamed Heathrow East project. It's quite interesting as the new Satellite, T2B is going to be ready for the 2012 Olympics. Indeed the structure is up and most of the glazing is in.

I have a few questions, given that Terminal 2 and the Queens Building will be demolished by the start of next year. I guess access to the new pier will be from Terminal 1 so that it can be used while the new terminal is built?
Does anyone know when the Europier is due to be demolished?

The pictures in the plans above seem to show the T1 Terminal building surviving and being connected to the old Novembers, the Republic of Ireland gates. Surely that's all getting the chop as well.
Also the report refers to the old Control Tower remaining in situ.

Anyone know?

( schoolboy typo on P28, looking "Noth East" )

[MUFC_fan]

Can I ask are the models to scale with aircraft as if so, the terminal does not look that big...

[Skipness One Echo]

Heathrow terminal revamp unveiled

BBC NEWS | UK | England | London | Heathrow terminal revamp unveiled

For a busy airport this is a bloody quiet thread! Anyhoo, new views on the Star Alliance hub Terminal at Heathrow. As has been known for a while, will be Terminal 2A rather than Heathrow East.

[AndyH52]

The terminal looks, to me, about 2/3 the size of T5 with a much larger satellite pier. Some of the models are A380s so the terminal is actually pretty big! I also understood that initially the new facilities were there to replace existing capacity not add to it in order to ease the planning process? Amazed to hear of the speedy progress being made to be honest - it shows what can be done in the UK when the will is there.

Quite frankly it's not before time either. As many visitor's first practical glimpse of the UK, LHR has been far from the ideal for some time...

[globetrotter79]

From the models and pictures seen, I'd assume this is actually a phased development with a second section of the T2 new build to be added once the first section is up and running...which will, in turn, enable them presumably to close and demolish T1.

[AndyH52]

Skipness, this extract is taken from Contractjournal.com and should answer some of your questions.

"The first phase of BAA's £2.2bn Heathrow East project will not be finished until 2013.

The airport operator had hoped to have the scheme ready for the 2012 Olympics but confirmed the delay today as designs for a new £1bn Terminal 2 were unveiled.

Mike Brown, Heathrow Airport’s Chief Operating Officer, said: "The new Terminal 2 is part of a major programme of work already underway. Passengers travelling through Heathrow will be using new and extensively refurbished facilities which provide us with an excellent platform from which we can provide a better service to our customers than ever before."

Construction is taking place in two phases. The first stage will see the creation of a terminal building with 185,000m2 of floor space on the site of the existing Terminal 2 and Queen’s Building, both buildings are being demolished later this year. Construction on the first phase is due for completion in 2013.

Phase two is scheduled to run consecutively and will extend the new Terminal 2 into the existing Terminal 1 site. This phase, which also includes the construction of a second satellite building, is set to increase the capacity of Terminal 2 to 30 million passengers a year. Terminal 1 will close when phase two is complete in 2019, however it will remain open throughout construction.

Terminal 2 is one element of a £2.2bn investment on the eastern part of the airport. A satellite pier for the new terminal has been under construction since 2008. It is set to provide Heathrow with 16 additional stands and will be connected via an underground link to the main terminal building."

[Seljuk22]

July traffic up 0.9% to 6,477,542.

winter route news:
Oman Air: from 1st Oct LHR-MCT daily A330-300 (with first class) instead of A330-200
BA: from 2nd Oct LHR-LAD up from once weekly to twice weekly, B777
Sri Lankan Airlines: LHR-CMB up from 4 weekly to 8 weekly, MLE-CMB-LHR stays at 4 weekly, A343
Biman: will add a 5th weekly service DAC-DXB-LHR with A310, plan: B777 in the future
Jet Airways: LHR-DEL daily with B773ER (instead of 3 weekly A332 + 4 weekly B773ER)
Aegan Airlines: will move double daily flights to ATH from STN to LHR, A321
American: from 19th Nov LHR-BRU

[englishrob]

3rd Runway

I think one of the problems is BAA's reluctance to fully commit to R3/T6 at this time. They "say" that they want to start the project asap and have approached partners and airlines including BA for some funding to bring the scheme forward. However I think the reality is that they are delaying the project because of the prospect of a Conservative win at the next election and their promise that they will scrap R3/T6.
When the Government gave the "green light" for the 2nd runway at Stansted some years ago, BAA started buying properties within a few weeks.
At Heathrow, they have done absolutely nothing and it is causing even more unrest among the local residents.

[Seljuk22]

JAL will cease flight JL 403/404 from 7th December. From that JL only daily NRT-LHR.
Gulf Air will cease flight GF 003/005 from 29th March. From that GF only double daily BAH-LHR.