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So does that mean "thunderbirds are go" for the Air India???
Is it more than just a rumour now is it a factual rumour based on concrete rumours from well placed sources who definatly know for sure that without a shadow of doubt that all things being equal the flights may start subject to any deals that may be on offer?
Like most things with Dublin when i see the aircraft on the ground with the the ground equipment around them and passengers and cargo being loaded and off loaded then i might believe that this mad cap Air India plan is happening!!
Is it more than just a rumour now is it a factual rumour based on concrete rumours from well placed sources who definatly know for sure that without a shadow of doubt that all things being equal the flights may start subject to any deals that may be on offer?
Like most things with Dublin when i see the aircraft on the ground with the the ground equipment around them and passengers and cargo being loaded and off loaded then i might believe that this mad cap Air India plan is happening!!
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Is it more than just a rumour now is it a factual rumour based on concrete rumours from well placed sources who definatly know for sure that without a shadow of doubt that all things being equal the flights may start subject to any deals that may be on offer?
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"Is it more than just a rumour now is it a factual rumour based on concrete rumours from well placed sources who definatly know for sure that without a shadow of doubt that all things being equal the flights may start subject to any deals that may be on offer? "
Sir Humphrey is alive and well!
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"Whats with Air India?? as above there were 3 flights due to depart Cancelled"
If I were being malicious, I'd say that's quite normal for Air India!
Joking apart, great news for the DAA and DUB if they can swing this. Quite apart from the feather in the DAA's cap, it's an important trade link to one of the fastest growing markets in the world.
Sir Humphrey is alive and well!
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"Whats with Air India?? as above there were 3 flights due to depart Cancelled"
If I were being malicious, I'd say that's quite normal for Air India!
Joking apart, great news for the DAA and DUB if they can swing this. Quite apart from the feather in the DAA's cap, it's an important trade link to one of the fastest growing markets in the world.
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The plan, according to a well place insider who has heard it from a reliable source who says that he knows for a fact from an un-named contact at Air India, that they do indeed in all probability hope to maybe at some stage soon start these flights, states that the plan as it stands at the moment and is subject to change is as follows:
The various flights leave India arrive in Dublin, deplane the passengers etc and then reload on different aircraft and the same happens with the east bound a/c from the states, in effect as well as tech stops for fuel, DUB becomes in effect a mini hub for Air India.
The various flights leave India arrive in Dublin, deplane the passengers etc and then reload on different aircraft and the same happens with the east bound a/c from the states, in effect as well as tech stops for fuel, DUB becomes in effect a mini hub for Air India.
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Has anyone heard of any long term predictions for the start of the week regarding the Ash cloud?
Other posts in PPRUNE as stating that Scotland and north of england badly affected MON and TUE?
Other posts in PPRUNE as stating that Scotland and north of england badly affected MON and TUE?
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Current UK Met Office VAAC charts only go as far as 1200z tomorrow, showing no ash affected area over Ireland and UK.
Last update on the IAA website was the 12/05, stating no retrictions in irish airspace until further notice, last ash update on CAA website was 05/05, last update on DFT website was the 10/05 and NATS currently stating no restrictions in UK airspace. These are the official sources and until they actually issue information about restrictions, these sort of rumours are very unhelpful for pax and for airlines alike.
Last update on the IAA website was the 12/05, stating no retrictions in irish airspace until further notice, last ash update on CAA website was 05/05, last update on DFT website was the 10/05 and NATS currently stating no restrictions in UK airspace. These are the official sources and until they actually issue information about restrictions, these sort of rumours are very unhelpful for pax and for airlines alike.
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I take your point,and I would be the fisrt to quash any rumours but if you check on the IOM thread, it has links too two reports that the UK department of transport have issued advisories too shipping companies that things are to get worse Sunday night Monday and that they should be looking at additional capacity where possible.
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If the DFT has issued advisories to shipping companies, I'm sure it would have made it into the greater news media domain by now. I've had a quick search of the DFT website and Sky News and can't find any reference to volcanic ash related disruption other than the last update last Monday. Being really cynical about it, wouldn't the shipping companies have most to gain from supposed ash related flight disruption?
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Volcanic Ash
Winds are currently Northwesterly aloft towards Ireland, Scotland and the UK through to early on Monday.
Later tomorrow, higher concentration volcanic ash will approach Ireland and Scotland from the Northwest, as shown on the latter frames of the latest VAAC charts:
Met Office: Icelandic volcano - Zoom air ash concentration charts
However, winds will have backed into the Southwest during the course of Monday, so although some difficulties may occur for a time during tomorrow, Sunday, these should clear again on Monday if they are to occur and the airspace over Ireland should be clear until at least Wednesday, but probably for longer than that.
Later tomorrow, higher concentration volcanic ash will approach Ireland and Scotland from the Northwest, as shown on the latter frames of the latest VAAC charts:
Met Office: Icelandic volcano - Zoom air ash concentration charts
However, winds will have backed into the Southwest during the course of Monday, so although some difficulties may occur for a time during tomorrow, Sunday, these should clear again on Monday if they are to occur and the airspace over Ireland should be clear until at least Wednesday, but probably for longer than that.
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for some reason my last post didnt get posted....I will try one more time 
Air India will not be operating out of T2 in Dublin Airport. The whole thing is nonsense for a very simple reason - it is simply impossible from an operational perspective with the ultra limited runway length at Dublin Airport.....I am baffled how nobody has picked up on this already ...???
Can anyone tell me how a fully loaded (passenger and baggage that is) B773ER or B744 can make it from DUB to ORD or Mumbai or Dehli for that matter ? Its simply not possible with a runway length of 2,637m. And dont think AI will give in on baggage allowance, they wont. That doesnt happen with daily scheduled flights from a national carrier. If that was to be an issue, and it is, than they will strike Dublin off the list. Of course, this has already been long done. So why all the talk still ? One simple reason - the government/DAA get the short term benefit of talking it up and make it look like they are actually doing something. Perhaps amidst all this talk another carrier might be fooled into moving into T2, partly sold by the lie that AI will be basing their US bound flights out of Dublin.
We had the same nonsense about a year ago with the so called return of Gulf Air and launch of Hainan Airlines. That was total ****e of course, just like this.
Air India will not be operating out of T2 in Dublin Airport. The whole thing is nonsense for a very simple reason - it is simply impossible from an operational perspective with the ultra limited runway length at Dublin Airport.....I am baffled how nobody has picked up on this already ...???
Can anyone tell me how a fully loaded (passenger and baggage that is) B773ER or B744 can make it from DUB to ORD or Mumbai or Dehli for that matter ? Its simply not possible with a runway length of 2,637m. And dont think AI will give in on baggage allowance, they wont. That doesnt happen with daily scheduled flights from a national carrier. If that was to be an issue, and it is, than they will strike Dublin off the list. Of course, this has already been long done. So why all the talk still ? One simple reason - the government/DAA get the short term benefit of talking it up and make it look like they are actually doing something. Perhaps amidst all this talk another carrier might be fooled into moving into T2, partly sold by the lie that AI will be basing their US bound flights out of Dublin.We had the same nonsense about a year ago with the so called return of Gulf Air and launch of Hainan Airlines. That was total ****e of course, just like this.
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Can anyone tell me how a fully loaded (passenger and baggage that is) B773ER or B744 can make it from DUB to ORD or Mumbai or Delhi for that matter ? Its simply not possible with a runway length of 2,637m.
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Aside from the current speculation regarding Air India's use of DUB, heightened by the appearance of several departures on the DUB boards a few days ago - there is some considerable pressure at present upon Air India's long haul operations.
Indeed, there is some speculation that many of their long haul routes may well be axed, as they are contributing to extreme losses, well in excess of US$100 million. During 2009, they posted losses in excess of US$1 Billion.
There is also a risk of Air India being downsized to become a regional carrier in India and losing its government backed national carrier status. In addition, there is significant unrest amongst staff at Air India and in many ways the airline has become somewhat dysfunctional in the past 12 months, with open brawls taking place between crews onboard etc.
In light of the risk of a downsizing of their operations, I wonder are they really the best airline for the DAA to be seeking to attract to DUB?
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Indeed, there is some speculation that many of their long haul routes may well be axed, as they are contributing to extreme losses, well in excess of US$100 million. During 2009, they posted losses in excess of US$1 Billion.
There is also a risk of Air India being downsized to become a regional carrier in India and losing its government backed national carrier status. In addition, there is significant unrest amongst staff at Air India and in many ways the airline has become somewhat dysfunctional in the past 12 months, with open brawls taking place between crews onboard etc.
In light of the risk of a downsizing of their operations, I wonder are they really the best airline for the DAA to be seeking to attract to DUB?
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I think the DAA would welcome anything with wings that could carry passengers at the moment, no matter how outlandish a scheme or daft an idea. They couldnt be in any more serious a postion regarding passenger numbers if they tried.
If they needed to stick a steam catapult down RWY 28 to get an airplane in the sky they would give it a go.
Desperate times mean daft decssions!!!
So far i have now heard on here, from DAA staff, Airline reps, pilots and guys having a smoke outside the terminal the following airlines ALL meant to be pre-clearing or tech stopping in DUB !!
Czech Airlines
Air Baltic RIX-DUB-JFK-DUB-RIX
Oman Air
Cyprus Airways LCA-DUB-YYZ-DUB-LCA
Air India Everywhere in India-DUB-The states
Singapore Airlines
Aeroflot
Manx2.com
Virgin Atlantic
Arik
Just to name a few i can spell without going on wiki, so really you could pick any one of the above and therorise for years but until the Airline says what its doing, i think in essense we are all taking crap, but very very interesting crap
If they needed to stick a steam catapult down RWY 28 to get an airplane in the sky they would give it a go.
Desperate times mean daft decssions!!!
So far i have now heard on here, from DAA staff, Airline reps, pilots and guys having a smoke outside the terminal the following airlines ALL meant to be pre-clearing or tech stopping in DUB !!
Czech Airlines
Air Baltic RIX-DUB-JFK-DUB-RIX
Oman Air
Cyprus Airways LCA-DUB-YYZ-DUB-LCA
Air India Everywhere in India-DUB-The states
Singapore Airlines
Aeroflot
Manx2.com
Virgin Atlantic
Arik
Just to name a few i can spell without going on wiki, so really you could pick any one of the above and therorise for years but until the Airline says what its doing, i think in essense we are all taking crap, but very very interesting crap
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I am baffled how nobody has picked up on this already ...?
It is sad that we will have a truly world class terminal yet our runway has limitations!
If Aer Lingus get after the connections bit ie aiming to offer Dublin as the key cross roads between EU and USA they could attract good business. Dublin will have a great facility both in terminal, and in pre clearance. As well as a respectable pricing policy, these combined with scheduling could deliver good numbers particularly from airport in EU and UK that dont have direct air links to USA.
Eg Leeds/Teesside/Doncaster/Cardiff/Bristol(CO Axing route who is picking up the slick? Daily ATR72 to connect with JFK BOS etc?)/PLymouth/Exeter/SOuthampton/East Midlands/Liverpool/Alicante/Malaga/Faro/Jersey/IOM/Manston?/Derry/Valencia... the list goes on.
I realise EI/RE wont serve all of the above mentioned but if 25 airports could deliver to DUB 25 passgeners each daily that would be enough to fill at least 2 330s and also help sustain routes to west coast and also a good way to support short haul routes that suffer from intense competition with Ryanair.??
I do note that Aer Lingus have been doing a good bit of advertising for UK destinations in the US especially since Aer Lingus regional got underway.
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They wont be using the A332 just to accomodate the DAA. This isnt some "Thomas Cook" operation - they have definitive plans and want to find a base that they can drop that plan into, not re-adjust their route operations just to suit the incompetance of the DAA 
As far as Im concerned, the greatest con of all is that the curtin hasnt been pulled on this one to show it for what it really is, the DAA and the government clearly delighted to feed off this for the next few months - maybe bonus time is due very shortly ?
And yes, as previously mentioned above, T2 is an impressive structure. It looks good and would fit the bill for such operations. But im afraid its a case of having a fantastic toy without batteries. But we see it in every aspect of Irish culture - look at all the housing developments that were built with no shops, schools, general infrastructure etc. The same thing happened with T2 - a marvelous structure, but largely pointless unless the runway was extended or the infamous 2nd runway was built.
For those of you not familiar with Irish corporate culture let me present you with this. The DAA went to the planning authorities and got permission to build a parrallel runway of 3,100m. Before anything started their budgets were slashed. Rather than call a spade a spade as they say and just call it off on financial grounds, the DAA invented a fantasy and said that consultation with other parties such as international airlines etc meant that they needed a runway of 3,600 m long (if this was true, and its not, it also demonstrates their utter incompetence for not getting it right in the first place). So it was back to drawing board. How convenient - so rather than call off the project it was just being revised. Everyone knows though that by the time they go through all the hoops for the new 3,600m runway it will be years down the road (even before construction starts) - probably new government, therefore new directors etc, so what do they care.
Its the same ****e with the Air India saga - smoke and mirrors stuff, it simply doesnt exist.
Welcome to Ireland im afraid.
As far as Im concerned, the greatest con of all is that the curtin hasnt been pulled on this one to show it for what it really is, the DAA and the government clearly delighted to feed off this for the next few months - maybe bonus time is due very shortly ?
And yes, as previously mentioned above, T2 is an impressive structure. It looks good and would fit the bill for such operations. But im afraid its a case of having a fantastic toy without batteries. But we see it in every aspect of Irish culture - look at all the housing developments that were built with no shops, schools, general infrastructure etc. The same thing happened with T2 - a marvelous structure, but largely pointless unless the runway was extended or the infamous 2nd runway was built.
For those of you not familiar with Irish corporate culture let me present you with this. The DAA went to the planning authorities and got permission to build a parrallel runway of 3,100m. Before anything started their budgets were slashed. Rather than call a spade a spade as they say and just call it off on financial grounds, the DAA invented a fantasy and said that consultation with other parties such as international airlines etc meant that they needed a runway of 3,600 m long (if this was true, and its not, it also demonstrates their utter incompetence for not getting it right in the first place). So it was back to drawing board. How convenient - so rather than call off the project it was just being revised. Everyone knows though that by the time they go through all the hoops for the new 3,600m runway it will be years down the road (even before construction starts) - probably new government, therefore new directors etc, so what do they care.
Its the same ****e with the Air India saga - smoke and mirrors stuff, it simply doesnt exist.
Welcome to Ireland im afraid.